Summer Trade/(OffSeason) Thread 2017

[Green_teamer]

When it comes to weather to trade or max IT I really think it comes down to weather you think he could be the 3rd banana(aka the ray Allen role) on a championship team. Play off ball. Make shots. Doesn't have to be anothing special on D. Maybe try to get the occasional steal.

So your argument is to max out a "3rd banana"?


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That's not what I said at all. Although it does sound like ainge wants to keep him regardless. But I do think isiah could give you a poor man ray Allen's type numbers. If you get hayward he could give you a poor man's Paul pierce..so there's your 2nd and 3rd stars. Hopefully we can find a # 1 through a trade or our draft picks (fultz?)And while our 2nd and 3Rd are slightly weaker than our 2nd and 3rd stars than in 07 the team around them is much better. Way more depth after our top players than in 07 it's not even close. So our stars don't have to be quite as good..they need to be close for sure but I'm saying I think we could get by assuming we don't mess up these next couple draft picks. If one of them turns into a stud in a couple years if not 2 of them well be onto something. And if we can trade for a star with our depth without including any of the Brooklyn picks we could have a better team than 07. Easier said than done of course..

As to the maxxing it...my opinion is if were gonna be over the Cap anyway the salary we pay IT doesn't effect us as much. Maybe wyc will feel it But team building wise it wouldn't matter. I don't see any reason why IT couldn't give you 18 to 20 points a game In that last year of his contract..besides I assume by then we won't be relying on him as much assuming some of our draft picks develop. Maxing IT scares me a little sure I just don't see a better way.

Our window is really in 3 years. Hayward Hortford and IT surrounded by 23 year old Jaylen Brown 22 Year old Markelle Fultz and 21 year old Bamba (a man can dream) that's pretty intriguing. Either way whatever we do I trust Ainge to make the right decision. Can't remember the last bad move hes made.

[Slartibartfast]

When it comes to weather to trade or max IT I really think it comes down to weather you think he could be the 3rd banana(aka the ray Allen role) on a championship team. Play off ball. Make shots. Doesn't have to be anothing special on D. Maybe try to get the occasional steal.

Ray was solid defensively when he put in the effort. IT's not even close. IT needs to be first banana in the scoring department to outweigh his D.

[Green_teamer]

When it comes to weather to trade or max IT I really think it comes down to weather you think he could be the 3rd banana(aka the ray Allen role) on a championship team. Play off ball. Make shots. Doesn't have to be anothing special on D. Maybe try to get the occasional steal.

Ray was solid defensively when he put in the effort. IT's not even close. IT needs to be first banana in the scoring department to outweigh his D.

Solid might be overstating it a bit. At least when he was with us he was average. Definitely better than IT though I give you but the depth we have is more too. Like I said above he doesn't need to be ray allen..just close

[djFan71]

Trade: Crowder, Smart and Celtics 2018 first rounder to the Kings for Stein and 10th pick.

Draft: Fultz, Giles
Sign: Hayward

Thomas, Fultz, Jackson
Bradley, Rozier
Hayward, Brown, Nader
Giles, Yabusele
Horford, Stein, Zizic

Lots of flexibility between 4 and 5 with Brown, Giles, Yabusele, Horford, Stein and Zizic.

Heck rebounding should improve!

I actually like that quite a bit. Might have to go Clips pick instead of BOS or something for Sac. Or, 10 may be a touch high for Giles, so you could conceivably split that trade up. Some pieces for WCS, some pieces to another team with a lower pick. But, overall gets some nice young bigs for redundant wings.

In that scenario you can keep KO as well and start him over the rooks (or go Horford & WCS together). Stupid young bench, but, lots of potential.

[Wes-J]

Trade: Crowder, Smart and Celtics 2018 first rounder to the Kings for Stein and 10th pick.

Draft: Fultz, Giles
Sign: Hayward

Thomas, Fultz, Jackson
Bradley, Rozier
Hayward, Brown, Nader
Giles, Yabusele
Horford, Stein, Zizic

Lots of flexibility between 4 and 5 with Brown, Giles, Yabusele, Horford, Stein and Zizic.

Heck rebounding should improve!

A couple things:

I think that the Kings are content to bottom out and get the best odds on next year's lottery. They certainly don't want to just get a little bit better and miss the playoffs and a chance at the #1 pick.

I can't see trading that package for a risk like Giles anyway, especially if you're getting WCS in that deal. Giles is an extremely difficult evaluation. Even if his knee is sound I'm not sure he provides much value in today's NBA. I like him better later in the lottery only if we don't have to give up core guys to get him.

[Half-Full]

Trade: Crowder, Smart and Celtics 2018 first rounder to the Kings for Stein and 10th pick.

Draft: Fultz, Giles
Sign: Hayward

Thomas, Fultz, Jackson
Bradley, Rozier
Hayward, Brown, Nader
Giles, Yabusele
Horford, Stein, Zizic

Lots of flexibility between 4 and 5 with Brown, Giles, Yabusele, Horford, Stein and Zizic.

Heck rebounding should improve!

I actually like that quite a bit. Might have to go Clips pick instead of BOS or something for Sac. Or, 10 may be a touch high for Giles, so you could conceivably split that trade up. Some pieces for WCS, some pieces to another team with a lower pick. But, overall gets some nice young bigs for redundant wings.

In that scenario you can keep KO as well and start him over the rooks (or go Horford & WCS together). Stupid young bench, but, lots of potential.

This is a trade idea worth pursuing. Don't know how the Kings would feel about it, but it strikes me as a lot more balanced than many trade ideas I see proposed here. Certainly, it could be tweaked a bit if need be. My only quibble is with drafting Giles at #10. Before committing to that, I would want to know who else is on the board. Perhaps there is a slider that might be preferable. But, if Giles is deemed to be healthy...

[darrendaye]

It's been mentioned more than a few times and in different threads, but, if there is a guy who Ainge is sold on in the 7-10 range, I think it lines up for an AB and Crowder to Minny for #7 deal. Where I'll make this post a little different is to lay out some additional considerations. For sake of creating a scenario, I'll say Isaac is the guy. The concern is you are trading 2 starters for a great deal of hope and projection, centered most immediately on signing a big time free agent.

One reason I prefer the Crowder/AB for #7 deal is it clears enough salary to keep both Olynyk's hold and bringing Yabusele over and sign a max free agent. (At ANY point, feel free to correct any of my points here and following if they are wrong under current CBA). Not that I'm advocating keeping Olynyk, though I won't utterly despise the idea, but more that it helps on a couple of fronts. There is the sign and trade possibility, so Ainge is able to get something for Olynyk of some value rather than losing him for nothing. But, perhaps more helpfully, this allows Ainge to sign a max free agent then go over the cap and allow them to also use the MLE (apprx 8.4mm) to fill another hole.

I'll illustrate the rotational situation, conservative minutes estimates in parenthesis, and assume Hayward signs and that they are forced to just sign KO and keep him.

PG: IT (32), Rozier (16)
SG: Smart (16), Fultz (14), Brown (18)
SF: Hayward (32), Brown (10), Smart (6)
PF: Horford (16), MLE or Rookie (24), Smart (6)
C: Olynyk (20), Horford (16), Zizic (12)

This scenario assumes Fultz is held to Brown like minutes. Also projects Brown plays 28 minutes.

I'll throw out a possibility of them signing someone like Taj Gibson for the MLE. That might be greatly optimistic. But you might also close that 24 MPG gap by signing a more niche' player for a percentage of that time and raise the minutes for Olynyk, Rozier, Fultz, and others, and also play Hayward, Smart or Brown down more. Also, this rotation assumes that Stevens doesn't put Issac or Yabu in the regular rotation, at least to start.

[EvilOtto]

http://www.detroitbadboys.com/2017/6/14/15804724/andre-drummond-repeats-trade-deadline-eyes-tweet-nba-trade-speculation

Might not end up being anything, but interesting if Drummond would want to join the Celtics

[GoCeltics123]

http://www.detroitbadboys.com/2017/6/14/15804724/andre-drummond-repeats-trade-deadline-eyes-tweet-nba-trade-speculation

Might not end up being anything, but interesting if Drummond would want to join the Celtics

I would take Drummond in a heartbeat if he wasn't lazy on defense and wasn't the worst free throw shooter of all time

[Stadium5]

1. Draft Fultz

2. Bradley & Crowder for Minny #7 pick

3. Package IT, #7, BKN 18 Pick for Porzingis

4. Sign Blake

Fultz/Rozier/Jackson
Brown/Smart
Porzingis
Blake/Yabusele
Horford/Zizic

[sportfan6197]

1. Draft Fultz

2. Bradley & Crowder for Minny #7 pick

3. Package IT, #7, BKN 18 Pick for Porzingis

4. Sign Blake

Fultz/Rozier/Jackson
Brown/Smart
Porzingis
Blake/Yabusele
Horford/Zizic

No

[Green_teamer]

1. Draft Fultz

2. Bradley & Crowder for Minny #7 pick

3. Package IT, #7, BKN 18 Pick for Porzingis

4. Sign Blake

Fultz/Rozier/Jackson
Brown/Smart
Porzingis
Blake/Yabusele
Horford/Zizic

Meh I feel like Bradley and crowder combined is worth more than 7. Maybe we could package one of those 2 with the Memphis pick or the clippers pick and Boston 18 pick or something. I feel combined they're worth too much but individually it's not enough.

[Stadium5]

1. Draft Fultz

2. Bradley & Crowder for Minny #7 pick

3. Package IT, #7, BKN 18 Pick for Porzingis

4. Sign Blake

Fultz/Rozier/Jackson
Brown/Smart
Porzingis
Blake/Yabusele
Horford/Zizic

Meh I feel like Bradley and crowder combined is worth more than 7. Maybe we could package one of those 2 with the Memphis pick or the clippers pick and Boston 18 pick or something. I feel combined they're worth too much but individually it's not enough.

What could we get for IT & #7 pick?

[sportfan6197]

It's been mentioned more than a few times and in different threads, but, if there is a guy who Ainge is sold on in the 7-10 range, I think it lines up for an AB and Crowder to Minny for #7 deal. Where I'll make this post a little different is to lay out some additional considerations. For sake of creating a scenario, I'll say Isaac is the guy. The concern is you are trading 2 starters for a great deal of hope and projection, centered most immediately on signing a big time free agent.

One reason I prefer the Crowder/AB for #7 deal is it clears enough salary to keep both Olynyk's hold and bringing Yabusele over and sign a max free agent. (At ANY point, feel free to correct any of my points here and following if they are wrong under current CBA). Not that I'm advocating keeping Olynyk, though I won't utterly despise the idea, but more that it helps on a couple of fronts. There is the sign and trade possibility, so Ainge is able to get something for Olynyk of some value rather than losing him for nothing. But, perhaps more helpfully, this allows Ainge to sign a max free agent then go over the cap and allow them to also use the MLE (apprx 8.4mm) to fill another hole.

I'll illustrate the rotational situation, conservative minutes estimates in parenthesis, and assume Hayward signs and that they are forced to just sign KO and keep him.

PG: IT (32), Rozier (16)
SG: Smart (16), Fultz (14), Brown (18)
SF: Hayward (32), Brown (10), Smart (6)
PF: Horford (16), MLE or Rookie (24), Smart (6)
C: Olynyk (20), Horford (16), Zizic (12)

This scenario assumes Fultz is held to Brown like minutes. Also projects Brown plays 28 minutes.

I'll throw out a possibility of them signing someone like Taj Gibson for the MLE. That might be greatly optimistic. But you might also close that 24 MPG gap by signing a more niche' player for a percentage of that time and raise the minutes for Olynyk, Rozier, Fultz, and others, and also play Hayward, Smart or Brown down more. Also, this rotation assumes that Stevens doesn't put Issac or Yabu in the regular rotation, at least to start.

It's a ridiculous Idea to move Crowder and Bradley for a pick without even legally talking to Hayward first. It Kills any interest from Blake Griffin to join the Celtics and you're playing with under 50% odds on Hayward

If MInnesota is willing to do this deal, then they should just draft Issac and make this deal in July pending Gordon's signing. Issac is their best for anyway so it's not like they'd be selecting a player they don't want. But our team becomes significantly worse if we don't sign gordon Hayward and this deal is made. And you're going to piss off several key celtic players by tearing down the heart of this team to select a rookie and strike out in FA

[jmr07019]

Bradley or Smart to Charolette for pick 11. We draft Markkanen or Collins.

Having all of Fultz, IT, Bradley, Crowder, Brown, Smart needing minutes on the perimeter is not ideal. If we get Hayward we are reallllllly over crowder. Gotta use one of those guys to get a big man. One of Markkanen or Collins will be at 11 and I can see Charolette wanting a proven player in Bradley or Smart over the rookie.

[SparringPartner]

Trade: Crowder, Smart and Celtics 2018 first rounder to the Kings for Stein and 10th pick.

Draft: Fultz, Giles
Sign: Hayward

Thomas, Fultz, Jackson
Bradley, Rozier
Hayward, Brown, Nader
Giles, Yabusele
Horford, Stein, Zizic

Lots of flexibility between 4 and 5 with Brown, Giles, Yabusele, Horford, Stein and Zizic.

Heck rebounding should improve!

A couple things:

I think that the Kings are content to bottom out and get the best odds on next year's lottery. They certainly don't want to just get a little bit better and miss the playoffs and a chance at the #1 pick.

I can't see trading that package for a risk like Giles anyway, especially if you're getting WCS in that deal. Giles is an extremely difficult evaluation. Even if his knee is sound I'm not sure he provides much value in today's NBA. I like him better later in the lottery only if we don't have to give up core guys to get him.

Kings are not moving any future picks unless it involves this years #1. Even that is a maybe. The upcoming drafts look REALLY good.

#5, #10, WCS, Pick swap 2018

I would be ok with that move for the C's, I think. It all depends on how high Fultz is compared to everyone else on DA's draft board.

[SparringPartner]

http://www.detroitbadboys.com/2017/6/14/15804724/andre-drummond-repeats-trade-deadline-eyes-tweet-nba-trade-speculation

Might not end up being anything, but interesting if Drummond would want to join the Celtics

I would take Drummond in a heartbeat if he wasn't lazy on defense and wasn't the worst free throw shooter of all time

Drummond is 23 and locked up. Historically, big men take time to mature. I would love to get him under Brad's development. It all comes down to the cost.

[SparringPartner]

1. Draft Fultz

2. Bradley & Crowder for Minny #7 pick

3. Package IT, #7, BKN 18 Pick for Porzingis

4. Sign Blake

Fultz/Rozier/Jackson
Brown/Smart
Porzingis
Blake/Yabusele
Horford/Zizic

Bradley & Crowder for #7 is not good value for the C's. I think Bradley + future (non BRK 1st) can get you #7. Minny has PLENTY of money to lock up AB long-term.

[2Mas]

I'm slowly coming along on the idea of signing Hayward.

IT / Fultz
Brown
Hayward
Horford

That's a solid 5 guys to keep building around.

.... slowly coming along....

Smart? Gotta include him. He is going no where (I hope).

I'm hoping he does.

I'm not a "Smart" lover, but i wouldn't mind him staying on the team as a backup 1-2-3 type. Hustles, good team guy & if we can limit his offense i'd be real happy with him.

He's not what we were hoping for as a 6th pick, but if we keep IT & Fultz around, i think Smart can help them out a lot so i won't mind that as long as he knows his role & price reflects that.

Your not wanting Smart at all? Lol

[2Mas]

I'd be estatic if we can go into next year with a 1-2-3 rotation of

Thomas / Fultz
Hayward / Smart
Crowder / Brown

& between Hayward Crowder Brown give them like 12mpg total at the PF spot.

Next year if Brown or Fultz are ready to start, flip Jae for a big or something.

I just don't think Fultz & Brown are ready to be #1-2 guys on a contending team. So let them be 4-5 for now w/ no pressure.

Finish out the trade with Al , Zizic, whatever cheap big we can get for Bradley & the MLE call it a day.


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