2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV

[Unbreakable99]

Monk looks like an absolute stud in the workouts. I will if Colangelo does not select the next Curry.

He missed a lot of shots yesterday. He didn't look too impressive to me from the clips. I still like him though and wouldn't let a workout change much but I wouldn't draft him 3rd.

[Unbreakable99]

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[Sixerscan]

No. And I'm not anti-Fultz. I'm ant-taking Fultz over Ball and Jackson.

My question was if you have Fultz #1.

I rank Fultz 3rd.

My question was, if you have Fultz ranked #1, would you give the Lakers pick up to get him. If you don't have Fultz ranked #1 the question does not apply.

[Tzar]

I'm certainly no expert but a line-up of:

Ben Simmons
Josh Jackson
Robert Covington
Dario Saric
Joel Embiid

would be a match-up nightmare for any team in this league on both ends of the floor.

[Unbreakable99]

My question was if you have Fultz #1.

I rank Fultz 3rd.

My question was, if you have Fultz ranked #1, would you give the Lakers pick up to get him. If you don't have Fultz ranked #1 the question does not apply.

Ahh ok. It depends how good I think the top pick is. I REALLY like Ball and Jackson but would not give up the Lakers pick to go up to 1. I would do that for Ben Simmons though. I'd do it for KAT. I'd do it for Davis. I would not do it for any player in this draft.

[freshie2]

Here's the thing. Everyone has their flaws. Ball handling and shooting are work in progress for JJ. Important things is he's got a good base rate/foundation to develop that's the reason why some GMs and the top two teams are interested with him.

Scouting is more of buying or selling strengths and weaknesses. And for me his ball handling and shooting is a buy. Easier to believe that will improve over Ball's shooting mechanics or Fultz Motor.

If you're trying to make a point, I'd focus on Ball's defense. His shooting mechanics have shown to be more effective than Jackson's and he has a better release/end point which is really the key. My biggest concern with Fultz would be his knee...if he really missed time due to knee soreness, that may be a recurrent issue...I don't have a close enough audience with him to have any sense of his motor.

At the end of the day, the Sixers will have one of Fultz/Jackson/Ball or possibly Isaac, Fox or Tatum...they are going to upgrade the roster with a player who has all star potential and superstar potential if they pick the hungriest of the bunch. Frankly, listing those six players makes me very comfortable if they can pull off the 5/10 swap with the Kings and add Monk, Smith, or Ntilkiina.

[PLO]

I'm certainly no expert but a line-up of:

Ben Simmons
Josh Jackson
Robert Covington
Dario Saric
Joel Embiid

would be a match-up nightmare for any team in this league on both ends of the floor.

When they zig we zag. Tall Ball is back!

Or as Rihanna will say on that date with Embiid: "That's kinda.....big."

[freshie2]

I'm certainly no expert but a line-up of:

Ben Simmons
Josh Jackson
Robert Covington
Dario Saric
Joel Embiid

would be a match-up nightmare for any team in this league on both ends of the floor.

Dario may be better played as the utility knife off the bench (still getting near starter minutes and finishing many games), and inserting TLC as one of the guards. TLC, Jackson, Covington has some potential to be very good defensively.

[Tzar]

Covington is real nice. I think he's super underrated around the league as a lock down defender. He's 6'9. And, he proved towards the end of the year that he can really shoot.

[SelfishPlayer]

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Here's the thing. Everyone has their flaws. Ball handling and shooting are work in progress for JJ. Important things is he's got a good base rate/foundation to develop that's the reason why some GMs and the top two teams are interested with him.

Scouting is more of buying or selling strengths and weaknesses. And for me his ball handling and shooting is a buy. Easier to believe that will improve over Ball's shooting mechanics or Fultz Motor.

Ball has a natural NBA position that he played in college. Josh Jackson played power forward in college, which isn't a position anyone projects him to play in the NBA. The weaknesses Josh Jackson has are critical weaknesses for a guy projected to play a wing position who is also projected to get drafted as high as possibly #1 overall. Josh Jackson's weaknesses for his projected position are greater than the weaknesses that Ball has for his already established position. According to Synergy Lonzo attempted 67 NBA range threes and made 23...

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Here's the thing. Everyone has their flaws. Ball handling and shooting are work in progress for JJ. Important things is he's got a good base rate/foundation to develop that's the reason why some GMs and the top two teams are interested with him.

Scouting is more of buying or selling strengths and weaknesses. And for me his ball handling and shooting is a buy. Easier to believe that will improve over Ball's shooting mechanics or Fultz Motor.

Ball has a natural NBA position that he played in college. Josh Jackson played power forward in college, which isn't a position anyone projects him to play in the NBA. The weaknesses Josh Jackson has are critical weaknesses for a guy projected to play a wing position who is also projected to get drafted as high as possibly #1 overall. Josh Jackson's weaknesses for his projected position are greater than the weaknesses that Ball has for his already established position. According to Synergy Lonzo attempted 67 NBA range threes and made 23...

I'm taking Lonzo over Jackson as well; both are flawed prospects but the fit for Jackson here is just bad given he'll likely never be a passable shooter. Zo Ball fits a lot better for us despite his flaws.

[LloydFree]

I'm certainly no expert but a line-up of:

Ben Simmons
Josh Jackson
Robert Covington
Dario Saric
Joel Embiid

would be a match-up nightmare for any team in this league on both ends of the floor.

I'd remove Dario Saric from that line-up and replace him with a guard that can shoot. Saric serves no purpose in that line-up. He's not a shooter and he's a weak defender, therefore he's nothing but a bench piece. Let Covington or Ben Simmons defend the Power Forward.

[LloydFree]

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I don't see it. Tatum overlaps, Covington, Simmons and Saric too much to go in that direction. Plus Ball fits Brett Brown's Offense too well. It's all irrelevant though, because the Lakers aren't going to pass on Ball.

[freshie2]

Pull off the 5/10 trade, draft Isaac or Tatum @ 5 and then Frank @ 10. They all can play, and you also have a very long core with TLC, Simmons, Embiid (7'5"), Covington and the rookies all having wingspans of 6'11" or greater. If you don't see stars in the top 3 players, play the Vlade card and bolster the overall core with long and talented players.

[Kobblehead]

I don't want to draft Ntilikina with the intention of bringing him over for this upcoming season. He needs to get his weight up and he needs to develop as a scorer. I don't want to waste rookie contract years while he goes through prerequisites. He really belongs in the 2018 draft instead of this one.

[Tzar]

I'm certainly no expert but a line-up of:

Ben Simmons
Josh Jackson
Robert Covington
Dario Saric
Joel Embiid

would be a match-up nightmare for any team in this league on both ends of the floor.

I'd remove Dario Saric from that line-up and replace him with a guard that can shoot. Saric serves no purpose in that line-up. He's not a shooter and he's a weak defender, therefore he's nothing but a bench piece. Let Covington or Ben Simmons defend the Power Forward.

Monk would be perfect. But, it's just tough to grab him at #3. You guys would better served trading down to get him

[LloydFree]

If there's a guy in the draft who's benefitted on this year's NBA Finals, it's Josh Jackson. Where GSW showed how important versatility is in today's basketball.

KD&LBJ really stood out in the finals.

Josh Jackson didn't benefit from any Finals. People in the NBA know that guy is good. Before the Finals, even started I heard numerous NBA guys, including Barkley, Jalen Rose and Jerry West say Josh Jackson was the best player in the draft. Somehow they don't know as much as Mike Schmitz and Chad Ford though.

[SelfishPlayer]

If there's a guy in the draft who's benefitted on this year's NBA Finals, it's Josh Jackson. Where GSW showed how important versatility is in today's basketball.

KD&LBJ really stood out in the finals.

Josh Jackson didn't benefit from any Finals. People in the NBA know that guy is good. Before the Finals, even started I heard numerous NBA guys, including Barkley, Jalen Rose and Jerry West say Josh Jackson was the best player in the draft. Somehow they don't know as much as Mike Schmitz and Chad Ford though.

Kobe Bryant liked Evan Turner over John Wall.

[freshie2]

West obviously has a proven track record (love Barkley, but I'm not sure I'm betting on his rankings) so either Jackson is truly elite, or we have a very mediocre top of the draft. I still don't know why he commented about being played out of position on the night of the lottery? He should be sold as a long wing, so he played against slower, less athletic PFs and this is a bad thing? I still am not sold on how his defense translates when he's playing NBA wings (he appears to give good effort, but will he be a top defender or just adequate) and if he's not a 'top defender' can you overlook the shooting woes/inconsistency?? I'll pull for him if he's the pick, but there are a ton of question marks with this kid that I'm amazed some people ignore.

[Chris76]

[quote="LloydFree"][quote="Tzar"]I'm certainly no expert but a line-up of:

Bayless/TJ
Tlc/Stauskus
Josh Jackson/Robert Covington
Ben Simmons/Dario Saric
Joel Embiid/Okafor

Not a bad starting and bench lineups. See how it goes, than decide who needs to be upgraded.