Sixers officially acquire #1 pick per Woj and Aldridge. Will get Fultz

[Dr Positivity]

While Boston and Philly may come to an agreement, the trade likely will not be done until draft night, according to Pompey (link via Twitter). In a subsequent tweet, Pompey explains why (Twitter link). If the Lakers draft Josh Jackson second overall, the trade will likely be of no use to the Celtics, who covet the small forward from Kansas.

If this is so transparent, if this is so cut and dried, why on Earth wouldn't the Lakers take Josh Jackson #2 so that they could squeeze us and the Celtics?

I think there's a good chance Ainge would still rather have whoever he likes best of Ball/Tatum/etc., Lakers pick and 2021 Sixers than Fultz

[Leor_77]

Lakers fan here, I love this deal for you guys and hope it goes through. Fultz is going to be a stud. It'll be awesome if he gives it to the Celtics when you guys play them.

[Lou_23]

I would be alright with this.

I'd give BC positive credit for this.

I would be OK with it, too. But Lakers 2018 would have to be at least top 3 protected. You don't give up a #3 overall pick PLUS another #2 or #3 overall pick to move up two spots, especially if you're also giving another future pick. But a #3 and something lower than a #3: that would be OK. (Although I sort of doubt that the Lakers will be bottom-3 bad again next season.)

It isn´t about move up two spots

It is about get a player with superstar potential that you cant get with the 3.

[Sixerscan]

I'd give BC positive credit for this.

I would be OK with it, too. But Lakers 2018 would have to be at least top 3 protected. You don't give up a #3 overall pick PLUS another #2 or #3 overall pick to move up two spots, especially if you're also giving another future pick. But a #3 and something lower than a #3: that would be OK. (Although I sort of doubt that the Lakers will be bottom-3 bad again next season.)

It isn´t about move up two spots

It is about get a player with superstar potential that you cant get with the 3.

Yeah it's not about the picks at this point. It's about what they think about Fultz versus who they think would be available at 3. Clearly they have a very high opinion of Fultz.

[XtremeDunkz]

Only way I don't do this if it is for both LA and Sac. If it is LA and one of our future picks lets go. Sign the deal.

Fultz/TJ
Bayless/Sauce
Cov/TLC
Simmons/Saric
Embiid/Holmes

Future still includes cap space (Have to sign big FA by next offseason) Korkmaz, all of our picks plus Sac 19.

[LloydFree]

While Boston and Philly may come to an agreement, the trade likely will not be done until draft night, according to Pompey (link via Twitter). In a subsequent tweet, Pompey explains why (Twitter link). If the Lakers draft Josh Jackson second overall, the trade will likely be of no use to the Celtics, who covet the small forward from Kansas.

If this is so transparent, if this is so cut and dried, why on Earth wouldn't the Lakers take Josh Jackson #2 so that they could squeeze us and the Celtics?

I think there's a good chance Ainge would still rather have whoever he likes best of Ball/Tatum/etc., Lakers pick and 2021 Sixers than Fultz

He'd be a complete idiot if he didn't prefer that package to Fultz.

[Ben]

I'd give BC positive credit for this.

I would be OK with it, too. But Lakers 2018 would have to be at least top 3 protected. You don't give up a #3 overall pick PLUS another #2 or #3 overall pick to move up two spots, especially if you're also giving another future pick. But a #3 and something lower than a #3: that would be OK. (Although I sort of doubt that the Lakers will be bottom-3 bad again next season.)

It isn´t about move up two spots

It is about get a player with superstar potential that you cant get with the 3.

I fully understand the short-term goal and the long-term hope that motivates it. The short-term goal is to get the player you really want and the long-term hope is that he becomes a star (let's keep the superstar talk on the DL at least for now, no matter how exciting draft season can be). But while it looks as if the goal can be achieved-- the Sixers can move up to #1 if they include what Boston wants-- the long-term hope is a complete unknown. If the long-term hope were actually a long-term certainty, then sure, include this year's #3 overall pick and don't even bother protecting future first-round picks. But it's not, and so you don't.

History is a cruel mistress, but at least she offers fairly clear lessons.

[kriss73]

I just realized that no current player on Sixers roster is under contract in 2021.
Maybe Embiid, if we extend him (I hope so).

Ainge is not dumb, a lot of things could happen before 2021. I'd love to have a strong protection on that pick.

[Mik317]

I just realized that no current player on Sixers roster is under contract in 2021.
Maybe Embiid, if we extend him (I hope so).

Ainge is not dumb, a lot of things could happen before 2021. I'd love to have a strong protection on that pick.

again if things go south, no one in the FO will even be around...hell the owners might even be different by then lol.

[kriss73]

I just realized that no current player on Sixers roster is under contract in 2021.
Maybe Embiid, if we extend him (I hope so).

Ainge is not dumb, a lot of things could happen before 2021. I'd love to have a strong protection on that pick.

again if things go south, no one in the FO will even be around...hell the owners might even be different by then lol.

But I will be rooting for the Sixers even then, so I care

[Locrian]

The river card has been dealt, everyone is starting to show their hand and the 76ers are still anteing up.

Celtics clearly want Josh Jackson but wants to finesse it by gaining assets while getting him at a lower pick. Why would the 76ers play right into their hands? Bow out now and let the Celtics deal with the Lakers. Multiple teams have Jackson on top of their draft board. Celtics cannot trade out of the top 3 and get their guy.

Think about this for a moment. The Lakers had the 3rd worst record in the NBA. Magic has come out and said he will not go after any free agents this summer and will go after the big fishes next summer. And they reported offered Julius Randle and the #2 pick for the #1. Julius Randle is best or second best player on the Lakers. Russell and Fultz are going to be fighting each other for the ball and shots. As every team gets better, they are going to be worse next year. Thats a top 3 pick in a great top heavy draft.

And if the Lakers move to 1. Lakers Fultz, Celtics Jackson, 76ers... BALL. The perfect player to complement Simmons. Ball is a great facilitator who is not ball dominant. He shoots the 3 at a great percentage, probably the second best shooter in the draft.

How do you trade Ball and Doncic/Porter/Mamba for Fultz? Crazy. Whenever you are in a quandry and have doubts, ask yourself... what would Sam Hinkie do?

And if nothing happens and Josh Jackson falls to the 76ers. You still have moves with the Kings and the brilliant Vivek leading the charge.

*can move to relevant thread.

This..
If Boston wants Josh Jackson so much, let them draft him with the 1st pick
Boston needs Josh more than Sixers need Fultz, Josh or Ball will still be great pickup for the Sixers

[CoreyGallagher]

I just realized that no current player on Sixers roster is under contract in 2021.
Maybe Embiid, if we extend him (I hope so).

Ainge is not dumb, a lot of things could happen before 2021. I'd love to have a strong protection on that pick.

That's 4 years away. 13 teams in the entire league have players signed through 2021 and it's one or two players because they'd have had to of signed them last season to a max contract.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/

[Cheatergriffin]

I feel like a junkie trying to find his high with the amount of times i keep refreshing this forum praying to see a link to a woj bomb saying deal is done.

[the_process]

Top 3 protection on 2018 LAL 1st, if not conveyed BOS instead gets the 2019 SAC 1st unprotected. BOS also receives Okafor, 3, and top 3 protected 2021 PHI 1st.

If I put that out there maybe it comes true

[Sixerscan]

I just realized that no current player on Sixers roster is under contract in 2021.
Maybe Embiid, if we extend him (I hope so).

Ainge is not dumb, a lot of things could happen before 2021. I'd love to have a strong protection on that pick.

That's 4 years away. 13 teams in the entire league have players signed through 2021 and it's one or two players.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/

Wouldn't suprise me if Ainge wanted to push the pick back that far. It's a lottery ticket.

[eagereyez]

Think some of you guys are too attached to "assets."

The trade as reported by Woj is more than fair. It's a great consolidation trade for a superstar talent that fits perfectly with this team.

The 2018 LAL pick *could be* Michael Porter Jr. or Luka Doncic, or it could be in the 8+ range. There's a lot of risk there.

Or Porter or Doncic could suck.

Or Porter or Doncic could be generational talents. That's the thing with this trade, it could easily look like one of the worst trades in NBA history if Jackson becomes better than Fultz and the Celtics draft a second franchise player with the LA pick. The downside to this trade is a doomsday scenario. I'd feel much better putting a top 1-3 protection on the LA pick. Even New Orleans was smart enough to put protections on the pick they sent in the Cousins trade.

[kriss73]

I just realized that no current player on Sixers roster is under contract in 2021.
Maybe Embiid, if we extend him (I hope so).

Ainge is not dumb, a lot of things could happen before 2021. I'd love to have a strong protection on that pick.

That's 4 years away. 13 teams in the entire league have players signed through 2021 and it's one or two players.

My point is: for Ainge is better to ask for a phi 2021 pick than a phi 2019 pick.
The upside is bigger imho.

[ozwizard8]

Great trade for Sixers.
2018 Lakers pick isnt top 5 guaranteed. They wont tank like this year.
Russell-Ball-Ingram-Clarkson-Randle-Mozgov-L.Nance Jr
They have some useful players and valuable ones. They may trade Russell+assets for veteran players. They have some cap space.
They can turn their team into 30 win team easily.

Only negative thing would be Fultz contributing too much and hurt the tank.
Fultz-Simmons-Embiid sounds like a future allstar core. Saric-Covington-Okafor are also valuable assets. You can either trade them or play them. You have massive cap space too.
Lebron going to ring your door next year

[Cheatergriffin]

If the deal does get done im getting so drunk might even order kovalev ward 2 if the lady allows it

[CoreyGallagher]

I just realized that no current player on Sixers roster is under contract in 2021.
Maybe Embiid, if we extend him (I hope so).

Ainge is not dumb, a lot of things could happen before 2021. I'd love to have a strong protection on that pick.

That's 4 years away. 13 teams in the entire league have players signed through 2021 and it's one or two players.

My point is: for Ainge is better to ask for a phi 2021 pick than a phi 2019 pick.
The upside is bigger imho.

Think both years have different risks.