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All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2

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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1561 » by spikeslovechild » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:02 am

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Read on Twitter


This is a **** joke.


This reporter is not legit IMO


He used to work for the failing NYT. So there is a high chance of this being fake news.
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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1562 » by sully00 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:02 am

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Sixers got it and all they had to do was give up pick 3 and pick 4 or 5 next year.

Every asset in the world danny had last year the Sixers wouldn't of taken to give up pick number 1.


Your missing the back end guarantee. So if the '18 pick is not 2-5 they get the Kings '19. As a trade asset it is just so awesome you either get a top 5 pick in '18 or a '19 pick from the most F'd franchise in the league. This is an almost impossible to acquire trade asset especially since Ainge can mix in some juice with the BRK pick.



That's one way to look at it. I mean to bet that the kings will be top 5 is alot to assume when they haven't been top 5 in quite some time.

There's also the logic that the Celtics should.have both those picks with no protections.


But with no protection there is no back end protection. With and unprotected LAL or PHI pick you run the risk that actually do find their ass with both hands and start winning some games. In this situation little risk, Lakers start winning you roll over to the next year and you deal with the Kings unprotected pick who are **** show. Usually the back end is lottery in this case it is top 5 when is the last time the Kings weren't in the lottery?
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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1563 » by greenroom31 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:02 am

AgentGreen wrote:We lack inside scoring.. Jackson will fill that gap for us and he has a decent 3, so he is potentially a two way threat imo.. Just need a 4 who can do that as well and we will have a very interesting season.

Jackson and Brown from the bench, moving the ball and switching from the perimeter to inside. Both can hit the 3 if you leave them open and when you get to close they will blowpast you, post you up or pass the ball away to a teammate who is open for the 3-pointer.

Ainge and Stevens know their stuff.. Just trust the process.


Jackson will bring inside scoring and 3pt shooting? WTF are you talking about?
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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1564 » by GregB » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:03 am

Bar Fight wrote:Wait, are we back to selecting Jackson and not moving the pick for established stars now? Yikes.


I'm not sure. If we are announcing this so early. I am sure Danny is trying to acquire PG13 or Butler without giving up more than 1 or 2 of our major assets ( #3, LAL Pick, Brk 18 or Jaylen Brown )
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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1565 » by 31to6 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:03 am

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LarryBirdsFingr wrote:Nobody cares about tonight if we draft one of the top 5 in 2019, or two of the 2018 bigs. Get over it.

Especially nobody cares if its marvin or zion in 2019.

Too many "ifs" and "maybes" involved in this move.


Yet that's how we got here with the #1 pick so..
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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1566 » by PierceFan4ever » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:03 am

If Ainge thinks there isn't much separation between Fultz and the other 3 prospects take him anyways unless Sixers were offering a godfather offer. Almost everyone had Fultz as the best why try to make a super risky move???
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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1567 » by winsomme2 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:04 am

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winsomme2 wrote:
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Exactly. There are probably two targets the Celtics have after Jackson and Fultz.

Read on Twitter


This is the problem right here because Jackson looks like a role player and Ball looks like a pass first PG. the only player IMO that has star potential is Fultz.

Thinking there is not much separation in the top 4 is really bad scouting


While I think this trade blows, i will trust pro scouters over internet fans for sure.



Well the scouts I have read say there is a huge gap between Fultz and the rest of the pack and I agree.

Skills-wise every other prospect has major flaws.
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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1568 » by meatball sub » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:04 am

I think some people are reading the protection on the Laker pick wrong. We only get it if it falls between 2-5 next year. If it's any other pick we get the unprotected Kings pick in 2019, which is basically our Brooklyn pick from this year & next year.

Almost 100% chance we get a top 5 pick for moving back 2 spots.

Not that bad. I just hope we don't throw all of this away on Jimmy Butler or Paul George.
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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1569 » by Smog » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:04 am

It still could be Tatum. Of tge remaining top 4, he's the only one we've worked out.
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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1570 » by The Corey's » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:04 am

sully00 wrote:
The Corey's wrote:
sully00 wrote:
Your missing the back end guarantee. So if the '18 pick is not 2-5 they get the Kings '19. As a trade asset it is just so awesome you either get a top 5 pick in '18 or a '19 pick from the most F'd franchise in the league. This is an almost impossible to acquire trade asset especially since Ainge can mix in some juice with the BRK pick.



That's one way to look at it. I mean to bet that the kings will be top 5 is alot to assume when they haven't been top 5 in quite some time.

There's also the logic that the Celtics should.have both those picks with no protections.


But with no protection there is no back end protection. With and unprotected LAL or PHI pick you run the risk that actually do find their ass with both hands and start winning some games. In this situation little risk, Lakers start winning you roll over to the next year and you deal with the Kings unprotected pick who are **** show. Usually the back end is lottery in this case it is top 5 when is the last time the Kings weren't in the lottery?


I don't know. I'm just pissed.

Imagine if the Lakers win the lottery.

That's 3 straight for the number 1 picks for the Sixers and if they reach their ceiling we don't have any way to compete with them.

This is getting redic
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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1571 » by DK-All Day » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:04 am

This will backfire.

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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1572 » by Celts17Pride » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:05 am

The best news is we have 5 more days of this until it's time to concentrate on free agency!
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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1573 » by GregB » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:05 am

meatball sub wrote:I think some people are reading the protection on the Laker pick wrong. We only get it if it falls between 2-5 next year. If it's any other pick we get the unprotected Kings pick in 2019, which is basically our Brooklyn pick from this year & next year.

Not that bad. I just hope we don't throw all of this away on Jimmy Butler or Paul George.


Yeah we essentially traded for the Unprotected Kings pick which many though was better than the Lakers 18, But we also get the chance to guarantee a top 5 pick through the Lakers. That's great value.
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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1574 » by London2Boston » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:06 am

AgentGreen wrote:We lack inside scoring.. Jackson will fill that gap for us and he has a decent 3, so he is potentially a two way threat imo.. Just need a 4 who can do that as well and we will have a very interesting season.

Jackson and Brown from the bench, moving the ball and switching from the perimeter to inside. Both can hit the 3 if you leave them open and when you get to close they will blowpast you, post you up or pass the ball away to a teammate who is open for the 3-pointer.

Ainge and Stevens know their stuff.. Just trust the process.


Jackson is horrific from three. Don't let the percentage fool you, his stroke is broken. He's a taller Marcus Smart with an uglier jumpshot, but with a pathetic wingspan and reach for a wing. That said, he will probably never play a game for us anyway so it's cool.
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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1575 » by AgentGreen » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:06 am

greenroom31 wrote:
AgentGreen wrote:We lack inside scoring.. Jackson will fill that gap for us and he has a decent 3, so he is potentially a two way threat imo.. Just need a 4 who can do that as well and we will have a very interesting season.

Jackson and Brown from the bench, moving the ball and switching from the perimeter to inside. Both can hit the 3 if you leave them open and when you get to close they will blowpast you, post you up or pass the ball away to a teammate who is open for the 3-pointer.

Ainge and Stevens know their stuff.. Just trust the process.


Jackson will bring inside scoring and 3pt shooting? WTF are you talking about?


That's what happens when you only watch Fultz highlights.
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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1576 » by 31to6 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:06 am

smith2373 wrote:Sorry, I want no parts of a wing that shoots sub-60% on free throws


thank goodness Paul Pierce shot 61% from the line his freshman year at Kansas then (Jackson was 57%, but shot much better from the field and from 3):

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/paul-pierce-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/josh-jackson-2.html
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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1577 » by Jakeopp » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:06 am

Jaqua92 wrote:
winsomme2 wrote:
derblitzenator wrote:
Exactly. There are probably two targets the Celtics have after Jackson and Fultz.

Read on Twitter


This is the problem right here because Jackson looks like a role player and Ball looks like a pass first PG. the only player IMO that has star potential is Fultz.

Thinking there is not much separation in the top 4 is really bad scouting


While I think this trade blows, i will trust pro scouters over internet fans for sure.


They didn't even meet with Lonzo or Jackson before this deal... feels odd to me. Jackson apparently wouldn't even meet with us and now we trade back to draft him? I doubt it...
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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1578 » by KamikazeK » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:07 am

Celts17Pride wrote:The best news is we have 5 more days of this until it's time to concentrate on free agency!

Hopefully people start cooling off soon.. This is ridiculous. I get that it's a bummer of a trade, but do we really believe that Ainge is just going to draft a guy at 3 and call it a day? There have got to be more trades coming that will give us a much improved roster. Trades so good that we'll forget all about Fultz. Why else would they do this deal BEFORE draft night? Something's gotta be brewing.

Otherwise this is just going to be an incredibly annoying year..
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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1579 » by 31to6 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:07 am

GregB wrote:
meatball sub wrote:I think some people are reading the protection on the Laker pick wrong. We only get it if it falls between 2-5 next year. If it's any other pick we get the unprotected Kings pick in 2019, which is basically our Brooklyn pick from this year & next year.

Not that bad. I just hope we don't throw all of this away on Jimmy Butler or Paul George.


Yeah we essentially traded for the Unprotected Kings pick which many though was better than the Lakers 18, But we also get the chance to guarantee a top 5 pick through the Lakers. That's great value.


Again, it might be Ayton, Bamba, Doncic, Porter, or Bagley.

And if you don't know who those people are you didn't know who Fultz was a year ago so don't sweat it just be happy.
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Re: All Things #1 Pick 2017 Take 2 

Post#1580 » by winsomme2 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:07 am

spikeslovechild wrote:
Squigglepuffin wrote:
CelticsPride18 wrote:
Read on Twitter


This is a **** joke.


This reporter is not legit IMO


He used to work for the failing NYT. So there is a high chance of this being fake news.


Our overflowing backcourt of non star players???


You don't draft a potential all star because you have 5 bench players in front of him.

Holy freaking crap

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