All things Draft Pick. #3

[165bows]

One last thought before I take a break from F5'ing this thread over and over...

Danny has known he would be getting a top 4 pick basically all year long. He also knew that there was a 75% chance we don't get the #1 pick. As such, his main planning HAD to revolve around ending up with a non-#1 pick. They clearly have run a number of scenarios and found some that they like that did not involve winning the #1 pick. This is very relevant due to the salary slots of the draft picks and the impact the difference between #1 and #3 has on our salary situation. Every dollar counts when a guy like Zarren is involved.

When they won the #1 pick, Danny was able to choose his favored path/s mentioned above, while cashing in for yet another high pick that is all but guaranteed to be an impact type selection.

I wish Danny had gotten another asset in this trade, but I can see why he made it.

PS: Name change coming once the draft & FA shakes out a bit. Sorry Bar Fight.

Very good point here.

Bar Fight posts are happening right now.

[ViperGTS]

That's what Steven A. said. And he had a strong feeling that the Celtics/Sixers trade was going to get done the night before it happened.

I also feel George is a little better and because of him being a better 3 point shooter, he is a better fit than Butler. But I'm good with either as long as we are getting Hayward too. And by getting Butler or George, we have a better chance of getting Hayward.

Does anyone sit back and ask why the need to trade significant assets for players the caliber of Butler or George? Where does that get the Cs in 2 years? 5?

Answer. Nowhere. Maybe a perennial ECF team and a Lebron injury away from Finals apearance only to get smoked by GS.

Sounds like a good plan.

That's a fair challenge, but I dispute your conclusion.

Suppose we can trade the #3 straight-up for Paul George, and sign Gordon Hayward. Suppose our small ball lineup then is:

Horford
George
Hayward
Brown
Thomas

with other players and assets that include:

Zizic (likely starter)
MLE big man
Yabusele
Brooklyn 18
Sacto 19
One or two of Crowder/Bradley/Smart/Rozier, plus the returns on trading the rest of those guys
The other picks we now currently have

Assuming that the youngsters (mainly) develop well and the older players (mainly) age gracefully -- or more precisely that our luck in those respects is comparable to that of the other top teams -- I think we can be very competitive for the championship in 3 years, with a puncher's chance at any time.

Not worth burning an asset, in number 3, when half your roster is 30 plus and still a year away from beating GS by year 3. That's not even counting Minny, Philly and others who may arise in the East and West. If you can get Butler or George for a song, then by all means do so. Trading then3rd or any valuable draft pick isn't worth it.

[Cornbread]

Mostly.

But it isn't square in our favor. We had the #1 pick. We had the leverage and yet still, you're sitting here trying to do backflips on how it's mostly in our favor.

If it wasn't IN OUR FAVOR, there was no necessity to make this deal right now, five days out from the draft, for this poopoo platter offer. You walk away with both SAC and LAL picks? Okay, you win Ainge. But this? Give me a break.

Please though, continue the spin.

I wasn't spinning. I was merely giving you facts that somehow eluded you. You claimed not to understand why the protection was overall positive. Now you do. You're welcome.

You think it's mostly positive. I think it's terrible.

If you make this trade, you do it without protection and you get the SAC pick too. Otherwise, Philly can go **** themselves.

We're helping them so that we may get a shot at a top pick in 2019? And that's just as long as the Lakers don't suck next season, which they will. Is that a joke?

We have the freakin top pick RIGHT NOW and the consensus top pick is viewed as a stud. You pick Fultz and thank Red above for the good fortune, unless Philly completely meet your terms. But this? It's a fleecing and not in our favor.

Would you rather have:

1.) The Lakers unprotected 2018 pick.
Or
2.) The Lakers 2018 pick if it's 2-5 else the Kings 2019 unprotected pick.

If the answer is (1), you aren't very smart.

If the answer is (2), then stop mentioning protections when complaining about the trade.

[ConstableGeneva]

I've read maybe 70 percent of the various threads since the trade emerged, so forgive me if this was discussed elsewhere?

What do folks think about a potential #3 for Porzingas swap? Do you do it if NYK is up for it? I would think NYK only does the trade if Ball falls to 3.

Posted this idea earlier. I would. I'd even throw in Bradley. I imagine NYK wouldn't.

[Curmudgeon]

The only part where it gets tricky is that Ntilikina isn't going to be stashed. His camp has made it very clear he is coming over this year.

Where did you get this information, and how ironclad is this? In fact, Ntilikina's contract in Strasbourg has at least one more year to run, and there would have to be a buyout.

[hickfromfrenchlick]

Mostly.

But it isn't square in our favor. We had the #1 pick. We had the leverage and yet still, you're sitting here trying to do backflips on how it's mostly in our favor.

If it wasn't IN OUR FAVOR, there was no necessity to make this deal right now, five days out from the draft, for this poopoo platter offer. You walk away with both SAC and LAL picks? Okay, you win Ainge. But this? Give me a break.

Please though, continue the spin.

I wasn't spinning. I was merely giving you facts that somehow eluded you. You claimed not to understand why the protection was overall positive. Now you do. You're welcome.

You think it's mostly positive. I think it's terrible.

If you make this trade, you do it without protection and you get the SAC pick too. Otherwise, Philly can go **** themselves.

We're helping them so that we may get a shot at a top pick in 2019? And that's just as long as the Lakers don't suck next season, which they will. Is that a joke?

We have the freakin top pick RIGHT NOW and the consensus top pick is viewed as a stud. You pick Fultz and thank Red above for the good fortune, unless Philly completely meets your terms.

But this? This is a fleecing and it's not in our favor.

You have a reading comprehension problem. I'm talking about whether the 2-5 protection is good, as opposed to have it unprotected. You were complaining about the tiny chance the Sixers will get the #1 pick next year.

Obviously getting both Lakers '18 and Kings '19 would be better. As would getting the Lakers' pick protected 1-5. But those ships have sailed. I was just answering your question.

[hickfromfrenchlick]

I've read maybe 70 percent of the various threads since the trade emerged, so forgive me if this was discussed elsewhere?

What do folks think about a potential #3 for Porzingas swap? Do you do it if NYK is up for it? I would think NYK only does the trade if Ball falls to 3.

Posted this idea earlier. I would. I'd even throw in Bradley. I imagine NYK wouldn't.

I'd give up a TON for KP.

[Green_teamer]

Get ready for people to suggest now we need to be adding both Brooklyn picks laker/sac pick and brown in deals. We get more assets and other teams fans just get more greedy

[ConstableGeneva]

Happy Father's Day to all the Dads on here!

[canman1971]

Happy Father's Day to all the Dads on here!

I'll tell you, even though I didn't get much sleep, and I am OK with this trade, waking up to my little one coming in my room at 6:23am saying "it's morning time Daddy, you can't sleep during morning time." makes all this seem irrelevant, not just today, but everyday. Happy Father's Day to you and all as well.

[Zaschrona]

To Kings: #3 + Rozier + Jackson
To Celtics: #5 + #10

This should clear us enough money to sign Hayward/Griffin as well as give as another chance to draft a prospect for another trade down.
Kings move up for Ball or Jackson while they also receive a decent young guard in Rozier.

We take Tatum or more likely Isaac as he is more likely the one available + Markkanen, who I really like and feel like he is really underrated. Stash Yabusele for another year, we hopefully sign Griffin (or Hayward). The team.

IT/Smart
Bradley/Brown
Crowder/Isaac
Griffin/Markkanen
Horford/Zizic

[Fencer reregistered]

Does anyone sit back and ask why the need to trade significant assets for players the caliber of Butler or George? Where does that get the Cs in 2 years? 5?

Answer. Nowhere. Maybe a perennial ECF team and a Lebron injury away from Finals apearance only to get smoked by GS.

Sounds like a good plan.

That's a fair challenge, but I dispute your conclusion.

Suppose we can trade the #3 straight-up for Paul George, and sign Gordon Hayward. Suppose our small ball lineup then is:

Horford
George
Hayward
Brown
Thomas

with other players and assets that include:

Zizic (likely starter)
MLE big man
Yabusele
Brooklyn 18
Sacto 19
One or two of Crowder/Bradley/Smart/Rozier, plus the returns on trading the rest of those guys
The other picks we now currently have

Assuming that the youngsters (mainly) develop well and the older players (mainly) age gracefully -- or more precisely that our luck in those respects is comparable to that of the other top teams -- I think we can be very competitive for the championship in 3 years, with a puncher's chance at any time.

Not worth burning an asset, in number 3, when half your roster is 30 plus and still a year away from beating GS by year 3. That's not even counting Minny, Philly and others who may arise in the East and West. If you can get Butler or George for a song, then by all means do so. Trading then3rd or any valuable draft pick isn't worth it.

Paul George, several years after his prime, is likely to be better than most #3 picks are any season of their careers.

That said, the minority of #3 picks for whom that isn't true is muchlarger than I thought it was before I checked. (Indeed, it's so close to 50-50 that that "large minority" may actually be a "small majority" instead.)

Who would you rather have now, all things (including salary) considered -- rookie Bradley Beal (or Jaylen Brown) or prime Paul George? That's probably a reasonable way to compare values.

[djFan71]

Backlog of guards, which we heard last night. But the kicker now..that can shoot.

I seriously question any moves made by these guys if that's how they see the current guards. They can shoot...which is laughable.

I feel like the backlog of guards/cap space/etc rationales are just minor "oh and...' type reasons. They didn't think Fultz was transcendental and got an extra asset for not taking him. For better or worse.
But, I will say our starting backcourt can shoot.

[Ben-N1ce]

Ainge always talking about how we need great players yet throws away a chance at the best prospect and they likely just get another OK player to add to the rest of them.

[Fencer reregistered]

To Kings: #3 + Rozier + Jackson
To Celtics: #5 + #10

This should clear us enough money to sign Hayward/Griffin as well as give as another chance to draft a prospect for another trade down.
Kings move up for Ball or Jackson while they also receive a decent young guard in Rozier.

We take Tatum or more likely Isaac as he is more likely the one available + Markkanen, who I really like and feel like he is really underrated. Stash Yabusele for another year, we hopefully sign Griffin (or Hayward). The team.

IT/Smart
Bradley/Brown
Crowder/Isaac
Griffin/Markkanen
Horford/Zizic

Does that help the Kings or hurt them over the next two seasons? This is now at least a small consideration.

[GoCeltics123]

To Kings: #3 + Rozier + Jackson
To Celtics: #5 + #10

This should clear us enough money to sign Hayward/Griffin as well as give as another chance to draft a prospect for another trade down.
Kings move up for Ball or Jackson while they also receive a decent young guard in Rozier.

We take Tatum or more likely Isaac as he is more likely the one available + Markkanen, who I really like and feel like he is really underrated. Stash Yabusele for another year, we hopefully sign Griffin (or Hayward). The team.

IT/Smart
Bradley/Brown
Crowder/Isaac
Griffin/Markkanen
Horford/Zizic

Nvm

[Captain_Caveman]

viewtopic.php?p=36301045#p36301045

Tee hee hee.

Look at the one directly above it

Posted that one last night lol.

[CeltsfaninDC]

viewtopic.php?p=36301045#p36301045

Tee hee hee.

Look at the one directly above it

Posted that one last night lol.

No, I meant the message from the linked thread. The one above it is a gem too

[Fencer reregistered]

I've read maybe 70 percent of the various threads since the trade emerged, so forgive me if this was discussed elsewhere?

What do folks think about a potential #3 for Porzingas swap? Do you do it if NYK is up for it? I would think NYK only does the trade if Ball falls to 3.

Posted this idea earlier. I would. I'd even throw in Bradley. I imagine NYK wouldn't.

I'd give up a TON for KP.

You'd have to. #1 wasn't going to get him. Indeed, if it would have, Ainge would have just made that trade.

[StojkoVrankovic]

I've read maybe 70 percent of the various threads since the trade emerged, so forgive me if this was discussed elsewhere?

What do folks think about a potential #3 for Porzingas swap? Do you do it if NYK is up for it? I would think NYK only does the trade if Ball falls to 3.

Posted this idea earlier. I would. I'd even throw in Bradley. I imagine NYK wouldn't.

The Knicks would rightfully laugh at us