SUNS offseason-CARMELO-LAK-POR

[Chino Athens]

Trading for Carmelo Anthony is out of question for the Suns, unless Billy King takes them over.

Well,the whole idea here is kinda BillyKinguesque.
Seriously though,if you can't tank,cause you got a bad mix of overpaid vets and unpoven youngsters,in the end,I think its best to compete for a spot.If any,Devin Booker is going to enjoy this process better than sucking for three more years.

[Chino Athens]

Why you hate the Suns so much?

I dont man.I just wanna see them try something rather than being a confused,with no purpose,young fast team.Booker is my guy for the future,really like his insticts on offense.Chriss could be the next Chris Webber and having Melo,Deng,Chandler,Bledsoe and this year's pick work altogether doesnt seem so useless to me.
All they give up is Bender and Warren,who are not really indispensable players.

[Zelaznyrules]

Why you hate the Suns so much?

I dont man.I just wanna see them try something rather than being a confused,with no purpose,young fast team.Booker is my guy for the future,really like his insticts on offense.Chriss could be the next Chris Webber and having Melo,Deng,Chandler,Bledsoe and this year's pick work altogether doesnt seem so useless to me.

All they give up is Bender and Warren,who are not really indispensable players.

You're right, they're not indispensable but why in the world would any team commit to taking on a known project with the 4th pick and then trade him the very next season before he's had even the slightest chance to develop? Bender was injured for much of last season and he's still 9 months younger than Josh Jackson, trading him for an overpaid has-been is a sick joke. And then throwing in even more assets from Phoenix is out of this world. I really doubt Phoenix would consider anything you have going their way as an asset, realistically they should be receiving significant compensation for taking on Carmelo and Deng's contracts.

[Village Idiot]

portland is not trading 2 first rounders just to dump leonard due only 3/30

I would do it for Portland. It is far too early to give completely up on Bender.

[Chino Athens]

Why you hate the Suns so much?

I dont man.I just wanna see them try something rather than being a confused,with no purpose,young fast team.Booker is my guy for the future,really like his insticts on offense.Chriss could be the next Chris Webber and having Melo,Deng,Chandler,Bledsoe and this year's pick work altogether doesnt seem so useless to me.

All they give up is Bender and Warren,who are not really indispensable players.

You're right, they're not indispensable but why in the world would any team commit to taking on a known project with the 4th pick and then trade him the very next season before he's had even the slightest chance to develop? Bender was injured for much of last season and he's still 9 months younger than Josh Jackson, trading him for an overpaid has-been is a sick joke. And then throwing in even more assets from Phoenix is out of this world. I really doubt Phoenix would consider anything you have going their way as an asset, realistically they should be receiving significant compensation for taking on Carmelo and Deng's contracts.

Because maybe the combination of Melo n Deng n Chandler n Bledsoe can push even more Booker and Chriss and this year's pick.Melo as a high scoring PF in a borderline playoff team can thrive.I know these 2 contracts are bad,but you still got your next picks and 2 years from now,this could be the best move.Maybe keep #28 from Lakers or ask for another pick.
The point is that this could be good for the team,but will certainly make them better at the market.They haven't had a superstar in years and I think this difficult road is better than tanking and see what happens all the time.
My suggestion is that instead of trading Knight,Bledsoe and Chandler,try with an overpaid better mix of players for 2-3 years and then,create a new plan.

[Norm2953]

Nurkic would likely love a trade for his countryman but its far too early for Phoenix to give up
on a high draft pick

[NoZoLakers]

La also passes....theyre taking in more annual salary, the exact opposite of what they want...i don't get op rational that next yr could be big $ for la after this trade...how, you just reduce la cap even more to sign guys like pg

Well,the sense is that you get out of Deng's terrible terrible contract,you get Dudley as a mentor for Ingram and then you can trade him.
The other assets you lose (Black and #28) are minor.Leonard can be traded too more easily next year.So,this move helps you get ready for next season,when you can trade them again.A much easier task than having to eat Deng's contract if you ask me.
And by the way,you become a better team with this trade.

All you did was take deng $ n split it into 2 other guys who aren't that good, increase the cap and if you say la can trade them next season, sure but we'd have to attach more assets to dump them. So you didn't really do us any favors

[Zelaznyrules]

I dont man.I just wanna see them try something rather than being a confused,with no purpose,young fast team.Booker is my guy for the future,really like his insticts on offense.Chriss could be the next Chris Webber and having Melo,Deng,Chandler,Bledsoe and this year's pick work altogether doesnt seem so useless to me.

All they give up is Bender and Warren,who are not really indispensable players.

You're right, they're not indispensable but why in the world would any team commit to taking on a known project with the 4th pick and then trade him the very next season before he's had even the slightest chance to develop? Bender was injured for much of last season and he's still 9 months younger than Josh Jackson, trading him for an overpaid has-been is a sick joke. And then throwing in even more assets from Phoenix is out of this world. I really doubt Phoenix would consider anything you have going their way as an asset, realistically they should be receiving significant compensation for taking on Carmelo and Deng's contracts.

Because maybe the combination of Melo n Deng n Chandler n Bledsoe can push even more Booker and Chriss and this year's pick.Melo as a high scoring PF in a borderline playoff team can thrive.I know these 2 contracts are bad,but you still got your next picks and 2 years from now,this could be the best move.Maybe keep #28 from Lakers or ask for another pick.
The point is that this could be good for the team,but will certainly make them better at the market.They haven't had a superstar in years and I think this difficult road is better than tanking and see what happens all the time.
My suggestion is that instead of trading Knight,Bledsoe and Chandler,try with an overpaid better mix of players for 2-3 years and then,create a new plan.

Melo, with more mature talent around him couldn't carry his team anywhere in the East over the past several years, it's going to be much tougher him as he continues his age-driven decline in the much tougher West. But the big mistake you're making is that the Suns finally settled on a direction after a handful of years of trying to build the way you're talking about. They committed to building through youth and now you are suggesting they should abandon that before it's even had the slightest chance to play out.

I don't know if the Suns should have drafted Bender last season, the entire world knew he wasn't ready for the NBA. But they did draft him and to give him away now is foolhardy beyond belief. To do it for someone that might make them the 10th best team in the West? I don't know what that is other than it's so very wrong. And on top of that you want them to give away Warren, just about anyone that followed the Suns closely last year knows he was actually the best Suns player on the floor during his healthy stretch at the start of the season and again at the end of the season when he was back to full health.

Giving serious minutes to Anthony, Chandler and Deng is a prescription for tanking not winning. And an expensive one at that. We haven't even talked about Ulis. Personally, other than a team or two with a very short term window, I don't think there's a single franchise out there that wouldn't MUCH rather have Ulis on a rookie contract than any of the players you were sending to Phoenix. Lastly, it's also worth pointing out that Carmelo's brand isn't all that strong anywhere other than the New York area and maybe Baltimore. Phoenix is neither.

[jayjaysee]

For the oP.. I can't figure out how Portland gets what they get in this deal. I feel like it would be a really (really) good trade for them, without Leonard. IMO they have no business in this as it just helps LAL break Deng in half.. When Deng isn't needed. Keep Dudley, send NY 32 and a future 2nd.

Sorry,i cant understand exactly what youre saying.Portland gets out of Leonard's contract,but has to give two late first picks.Salary cap reasons I guess.They can pick with 15 whoever they really need.Bender is an interesting payback for Leonard and the picks get you Ullis and balance even more the deal. They get rid out of Leonard and help the Lakers out of Deng,but the Lakers still got money to pay and trades to do to make this "ground zero".Portland is at "ground zero" already.
The rest I dont get. "When Deng isn't needed. Keep Dudley, send NY 32 and a future 2nd."

Okay.. Most everyone agrees with me, so I don't feel much a need to foot in the ground but I will explain.

Leonard costs one of the firsts to dump. Bender is worth more than the other first. So. It's awful for Phoenix.

Deng inclusion.. Why? Why not keep Dudley? They'd play the exact same role really.. The same minutes with the same lineups. But one is cheaper. A lot*

Why is Phoenix doing LA a favor? Why is Portland getting such a great deal when they aren't needed?

I don't understand, but really I don't agree with your valuation of the players probably so there's no fixing the difference of opinions. And it's not even the Melo part I disagree with, i think it's too much for Melo as TJ is an actual good player/prospect.. But that's minor.. The bigger issue is all the fluff you have added thy just hurts Phoenix.

And you said Phoenix can't tank? This season Phoenix is drafting 4th with their "overpaid vets" ... So... They are a Bledsoe trade away from 3? Or 2nd? They can tank just fine if they want.


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[RaisingArizona]

Phoenix does this deal if a working time machine comes with Melo. Otherwise, no. /thread

[Safety Pickle]

There are so many things wrong with this trade from a PHX perspective that I don't even know where to start.

- Bender was hurt most of the year. We aren't trading him after 1 season
- Being a borderline playoff team and fighting for the 8th seed is maybe the absolute worst spot to be in, especially for a team In PHX's position
- Melo won't waive his NTC to go to PHX. Even if he would, we aren't trading away youth to bring him and turn us into a treadmill team
- Deng is one of the worst contracts in the league, if not the worst. Why would you write that we aren't bringing in any awful contracts?
- Tyler Ulis and Booker are extremely close IRL. We aren't going to upset our best player for a terrible trade like this
- Chriss doesn't have the body to play extended minutes at center
- Warren is a very serviceable bench scorer still on his rookie deal. We aren't going to just throw him into a trade as filler

PHX is clearly in full rebuild mode. Trading for Melo is counter-productive and would set up back multiple years.