Mavericks 2017 Draft #9

[daoneandonly]

True but in a re-draft how much higher would would an undersized SG like Wade go?

you have a point, for me im harping on that one inch, is it crazy? perhaps, but i just can't name anyone shorter than wade, which monk and mitchell are that have succeeded with similar skillsets as a 2. Now i would not be upset at taking mitchell if we got additional picks and passed on nkinnia, but suffice to say, I'd rather have justin jackson or harry giles if they are there

Giles injury history doesn't scare you? I read that he's had ACL surgery on both knees and has had a torn MCL.

it does, but if donovan does become another foye bayless barbosa, i'd rather assume that risk. antonio mcdyss had an injury plagued career as well, but i'd rather have some of him and what he brought, than all of what the foyes barbosas and bayless' bring

[Jinra]

I consider him a decent role player, which to me is not someone you select in the top 10, but maybe the teens-twenties, especially in a stacked draft class.

JET was a top 10 pick, do you consider him a bust?

More not worthy of being top 10 than being a bust. he was a fine player, but I don't think at any point I'd label him a top 8 SG, which is what i would want form the 9th pick. someoen who is roughly top 8 in their own position.

With all due respect, I think you might be overemphasizing the 9th pick. While lottery it might be, you are hoping to land a really good starter for years to come. You don't typically get franchise players at 9. It sounds like that is what you are expecting. I could be wrong...

[Teffer10]

I honestly think it comes down to Ntilikina or Monk depending on who NY takes. Whoever they take we take the other.
Barring any trade, I'd be shocked if the Mavs pass on either of those two if available at #9.

[something47]

According to the rumors, the Lakers are interested in trading up into this draft. I think there could be a deal worked out with the Lakers and Mavs depending on who falls in the draft. Maybe if Monk falls we could do a trade centering around #9 for Russell.

Mavs Line Up:

Russell/Barea/Yogi
Matthews/Seth/Harris
Barnes/Matthews/DFS
Dirk/Barnes/Powell
Noel/Salah/Powell

This would give us a young core of Russell, Barnes, Noel to build around.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2716465-lakers-trade-rumors-la-attempting-to-add-another-1st-round-pick-in-nba-draft

[drekwins]

Wade id 6'4 they're an inch apart so 6'4 is a straight up 2 but 6'3 is a tweener got it. Double digit assist doesnt make u a pg westbrook has a high usage he isnt a pg . I would continue but there really isnt any point as i doubt you've watched 5 minutes of any prospects you've trashed

russell westbrook
BYE

yeah only you think he's not a PG, he clearly is, again he averages 10 plus assists a game, so yeah BYE. Get a clue before you post, mr trade for carmelo and dwight or give teague 70 million

When standing and putting their hands straight up into the air, Wade touches almost a full 6 inches higher than Mitchell. Wade plays a lot bigger than his listed height because of it.

[Mr B]

russell westbrook
BYE

yeah only you think he's not a PG, he clearly is, again he averages 10 plus assists a game, so yeah BYE. Get a clue before you post, mr trade for carmelo and dwight or give teague 70 million

When standing and putting their hands straight up into the air, Wade touches almost a full 6 inches higher than Mitchell. Wade plays a lot bigger than his listed height because of it.

Where exactly are you seeing this? Mitchell has a 6'10" wing span. Are you saying Wade has 7'4" wing span?

[bobsquad]

yeah only you think he's not a PG, he clearly is, again he averages 10 plus assists a game, so yeah BYE. Get a clue before you post, mr trade for carmelo and dwight or give teague 70 million

When standing and putting their hands straight up into the air, Wade touches almost a full 6 inches higher than Mitchell. Wade plays a lot bigger than his listed height because of it.

Where exactly are you seeing this? Mitchell has a 6'10" wing span. Are you saying Wade has 7'4" wing span?

Standing reach. Mitchell must just have very broad shoulders.

[drekwins]

yeah only you think he's not a PG, he clearly is, again he averages 10 plus assists a game, so yeah BYE. Get a clue before you post, mr trade for carmelo and dwight or give teague 70 million

When standing and putting their hands straight up into the air, Wade touches almost a full 6 inches higher than Mitchell. Wade plays a lot bigger than his listed height because of it.

Where exactly are you seeing this? Mitchell has a 6'10" wing span. Are you saying Wade has 7'4" wing span?

Wingspan is not arm length. Wingspan takes into account shoulder and body width.

Wade Height w/o Shoes: 6-3.75
Wade Standing Reach: 8-6

Mitchell Height w/o Shoes: 6-1.25
Mitchell Standing Reach: 8-1

Monta Ellis Height w/o Shoes: 6-2.25
Monta Ellis Standing Reach: 8-2

Patrick Beverley Height w/o shoes: 6-0.25
Patrick Beverley Standing Reach: 8-2

Klay Thompson (2 guard size) Height w/o shoes: 6-5.75
Klay Thompson Standing Reach: 8-7.5

These are all official NBA Draft Combine Results. I like Mitchell a lot too but he's giving up A LOT of height if he's playing 2 guard.

[Clyde Frazier]

Very weird being a knicks + mavs fan for me right now. The 2 teams are mirroring each other right now with reports of justin holiday wanting to join his brother signing in dallas, and both teams being very interested in drafting frank. I really want justin holiday back on the knicks, but would be happy if frank ended up on either team. Wonder if knicks will try to use leverage to trade with dallas if they're really set on frank. Thursday can't come soon enough!

[k-lynch201]

Very weird being a knicks + mavs fan for me right now. The 2 teams are mirroring each other right now with reports of justin holiday wanting to join his brother signing in dallas, and both teams being very interested in drafting frank. I really want justin holiday back on the knicks, but would be happy if frank ended up on either team. Wonder if knicks will try to use leverage to trade with dallas if they're really set on frank. Thursday can't come soon enough!

Im from the NYC area but a Mavs fan, since 2000 the Knicks have been a joke and the Mavs have almost always been a playoff team, aside from Porzi the Knicks havnt done much of anything right. This summer is huge for them and those fans are so tired of losing. However it wont change much with or without the frenchman, hes not even 20 years old.

What it like to be a fan of 2 teams who have been opposites basically for so long?

[dirkforpres]

Very weird being a knicks + mavs fan for me right now. The 2 teams are mirroring each other right now with reports of justin holiday wanting to join his brother signing in dallas, and both teams being very interested in drafting frank. I really want justin holiday back on the knicks, but would be happy if frank ended up on either team. Wonder if knicks will try to use leverage to trade with dallas if they're really set on frank. Thursday can't come soon enough!

You're right, Thursday is going to be extremely stressful but it's good though because I truly feel like between Monk, Frank, and DSJ that you can't miss.. It should definitely affect the market for the Holidays though, which is partially why I hope for Monk to be the pick for Dallas more than the others

[Pointguard01]

JET was a top 10 pick, do you consider him a bust?

More not worthy of being top 10 than being a bust. he was a fine player, but I don't think at any point I'd label him a top 8 SG, which is what i would want form the 9th pick. someoen who is roughly top 8 in their own position.

With all due respect, I think you might be overemphasizing the 9th pick. While lottery it might be, you are hoping to land a really good starter for years to come. You don't typically get franchise players at 9. It sounds like that is what you are expecting. I could be wrong...

To be fair, there have been good talent available in the middle of the lottery. 7 of the 15 players were All-Star caliber players. It goes to show that it's very easy to sit here and judge talent, but it's still easy to make mistakes. All 7 of the All-Stars players would go much higher in a re-draft.

2016 - Jakob Poeltl, Utah
2015 - Frank Kaminsky, Wisconsin
2014 - Noah Vonleh, Indiana
2013 - Trey Burke, Michigan
2012 - Andre Drummond, Connecticut
2011 - Kemba Walker, UConn
2010 - Gordon Hayward, Butler
2009 - DeMar DeRozan, USC
2008 - D.J. Augustin, Texas
2007 -Joakim Noah, Florida
2006 - Patrick O'Bryant, Bradley
2005 - Ike Diogu, Arizona State
2004 - Andre Iguodala, Arizona
2003 - Michael Sweetney, Georgetown
2002 - Amare Stoudemire, Cypress Creek HS

As I go through this old draft, just to name some lottery players that Monk could be:

Ben Gordan
Devin Harris
Eric Gordon
Austin Rivers
CJ McCollum
Marcus Smart

Sure we want a starter type player, but so DOES EVERYONE. We are not special in that sense. Just because we have little young talent or that we want to win next year doesn't make it any less that other teams are also not wanting to settle for a bench player. We must remember that.

Ultimately, we are going to get a very good player in this draft and we should be excited. For what it's worth, my final preference is below:

(Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Fox, Tatum & Issac all gone).

1. Frank Ntilikinak
2. Dennis Smith Jr.
3. Malik Monk
4. Donovan Mitchell
5. Zach Collins
6. Lauri Markkanen

[Texas Chuck]

. Wonder if knicks will try to use leverage to trade with dallas if they're really set on frank.

Aren't the Knicks rumored to be fairly set on him as well? I know I've heard some chatter on that.

But yeah I think Dallas is afraid the Knicks will get their guy and if Isaac is gone by 7--and I believe he will be--I could see Dallas finding out the cost to get to 7 to keep the Knicks from sniping them. And I suppose its possible the Knicks could pry a small asset from Dallas to swap picks, but at that point Dallas has to think the Knicks must not want their guy so why bother.

Definitely a disadvantage to Dallas to be sitting behind the Knicks tho.

[Clyde Frazier]

. Wonder if knicks will try to use leverage to trade with dallas if they're really set on frank.

Aren't the Knicks rumored to be fairly set on him as well? I know I've heard some chatter on that.

But yeah I think Dallas is afraid the Knicks will get their guy and if Isaac is gone by 7--and I believe he will be--I could see Dallas finding out the cost to get to 7 to keep the Knicks from sniping them. And I suppose its possible the Knicks could pry a small asset from Dallas to swap picks, but at that point Dallas has to think the Knicks must not want their guy so why bother.

Definitely a disadvantage to Dallas to be sitting behind the Knicks tho.

Yeah, NY definitely has interest in frank. Looking at all the mocks, seems like they'll be choosing between dennis smith, frank or monk. I'm partial to smith as I think he could develop alongside KP as their PG of the future. I like frank more as a SG / secondary playmaker. Lowest on monk. Undersized SG who i'm not sure will be able to get his shot off the way he did in college. There was this from chad ford earlier, which sparked my comment:

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[Clyde Frazier]

Very weird being a knicks + mavs fan for me right now. The 2 teams are mirroring each other right now with reports of justin holiday wanting to join his brother signing in dallas, and both teams being very interested in drafting frank. I really want justin holiday back on the knicks, but would be happy if frank ended up on either team. Wonder if knicks will try to use leverage to trade with dallas if they're really set on frank. Thursday can't come soon enough!

Im from the NYC area but a Mavs fan, since 2000 the Knicks have been a joke and the Mavs have almost always been a playoff team, aside from Porzi the Knicks havnt done much of anything right. This summer is huge for them and those fans are so tired of losing. However it wont change much with or without the frenchman, hes not even 20 years old.

What it like to be a fan of 2 teams who have been opposites basically for so long?

Yeah, it's funny how it worked out that way. I started following them as my "western conf team" all the way back in the finley days (he was my favorite player) when they were awful. Of course, the knicks were actually good back then, and the tables turned pretty quickly. Dirk and nash came along, and that trio was just a ton of fun to watch. Mavs got me through a lot of rough seasons as a knick fan, although 2006 and 2007 were pretty devastating. The joy I got from seeing Dirk just tear apart the competition in 2011 was beyond gratifying.

And i know cuban isn't the perfect owner as the years have gone on, but he's pretty much the anti-dolan. Always wondered what the last 15+ years would've looked like for the knicks if he was their owner instead.

[daoneandonly]

JET was a top 10 pick, do you consider him a bust?

More not worthy of being top 10 than being a bust. he was a fine player, but I don't think at any point I'd label him a top 8 SG, which is what i would want form the 9th pick. someoen who is roughly top 8 in their own position.

With all due respect, I think you might be overemphasizing the 9th pick. While lottery it might be, you are hoping to land a really good starter for years to come. You don't typically get franchise players at 9. It sounds like that is what you are expecting. I could be wrong...

perhaps I'm expecting too much I can cop to that, but I'd at least like a betetr player than Foye Bayless or barbosa who Monk/Mitchell are likely to compare to, and especially exum and beaubois who nkinnia will most probably be

[Darren]

More not worthy of being top 10 than being a bust. he was a fine player, but I don't think at any point I'd label him a top 8 SG, which is what i would want form the 9th pick. someoen who is roughly top 8 in their own position.

With all due respect, I think you might be overemphasizing the 9th pick. While lottery it might be, you are hoping to land a really good starter for years to come. You don't typically get franchise players at 9. It sounds like that is what you are expecting. I could be wrong...

perhaps I'm expecting too much I can cop to that, but I'd at least like a betetr player than Foye Bayless or barbosa who Monk/Mitchell are likely to compare to, and especially exum and beaubois who nkinnia will most probably be

I think the comparison is not closed at all. I think Ntilikina is another Kris Dunn with better jumper, though. We can at least get a 3-n-D guy with some playmaking skills in Frank. As for Monk, he's likely be another Eric Gordon who shoots 70% and get blocked in paint very often. Mitchell, meanwhile, is a 6-2 JR Smith or Jamaal Crawford with poor IQ and won't get any teammates involved. All of them are faulted. But compared with previous draft, they're still better than those prospects available at 9th pick in past few years' drafts.

[daoneandonly]

With all due respect, I think you might be overemphasizing the 9th pick. While lottery it might be, you are hoping to land a really good starter for years to come. You don't typically get franchise players at 9. It sounds like that is what you are expecting. I could be wrong...

perhaps I'm expecting too much I can cop to that, but I'd at least like a betetr player than Foye Bayless or barbosa who Monk/Mitchell are likely to compare to, and especially exum and beaubois who nkinnia will most probably be

I think the comparison is not closed at all. I think Ntilikina is another Kris Dunn with better jumper, though. We can at least get a 3-n-D guy with some playmaking skills in Frank. As for Monk, he's likely be another Eric Gordon who shoots 70% and get blocked in paint very often. Mitchell, meanwhile, is a 6-2 JR Smith or Jamaal Crawford with poor IQ and won't get any teammates involved. All of them are faulted. But compared with previous draft, they're still better than those prospects available at 9th pick in past few years' drafts.

we need a pure pg, not a wannabe that can't cut it like nkinnia or tweeners like monk/Mitchell. If Smith Jr. and Issac are gone by 9, the only rationale chocie is to trade the pick for more assets and depending on where fall down in the draft, pick a colins, justin jackson, etc. type.

[Devassa]

Very weird being a knicks + mavs fan for me right now. The 2 teams are mirroring each other right now with reports of justin holiday wanting to join his brother signing in dallas, and both teams being very interested in drafting frank. I really want justin holiday back on the knicks, but would be happy if frank ended up on either team. Wonder if knicks will try to use leverage to trade with dallas if they're really set on frank. Thursday can't come soon enough!

You're right, Thursday is going to be extremely stressful but it's good though because I truly feel like between Monk, Frank, and DSJ that you can't miss.. It should definitely affect the market for the Holidays though, which is partially why I hope for Monk to be the pick for Dallas more than the others

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[daoneandonly]

Betetr Monk than Nkinnia, so if those are the remaining options, take Monk and hope to get a bigger PG not named George "I was traded for Kawhi" Hill