Phil can GTFO out now *** PJ willing to deal KP per Woj.

3toheadmelo · Post #1581 » by **3toheadmelo** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:20 am

Slicin N Dicin wrote:what up y'all..i'm back...what fuqery did i miss?

you got disqualified from the build a label game

Adelheid · Post #1582 » by **Adelheid** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:24 am

Battery wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:
Billy Goat wrote:
I mean how specifically have the Knicks wronged Porzingis? Over the triangle? Phil hasnt said anything publicly disparaging him that I recall.

Phil disparaged melo and it rubbed KP the wrong way. Melo has taken kp under his wing and theres a lot of respect there, yet Phil disrespected melo pretty bad. Fans are looking at it as kp throwing a hissy fit, but in his eyes he's defending a teammate. There's actually some honor in that.

Maybe that's the problem. Phil is trying to implement a system that Melo wants no part of. You know, things that actually win in the NBA like ball movement, moving without the ball, defense, rebounding, being coachable, getting an open shot, setting up teammates. If Porzingis stays, Melo has to get lost. And if Porzingis is mad about Melo being forced out and expressing it publicly, then adios to him too.

Its amazing that Phil re-signed Melo when Phil knows what kind of player Melo is and how Melo is not synonymous with the things Phil wants to instill to the ballclub. Amazingly head-scratching, that is.

Bill Pidto · Post #1583 » by **Bill Pidto** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:30 am

god shammgod wrote:
Guano wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
the discussion did get serious and rational . i apologize. it's not like me.

we know it's serious in here when you're throwing down blocks of text.

And I agree with your point that the most exciting time for knicks fans is when they're not on the court.

it's sad but it's all we got

Oh boy... what did I miss? Did you use any capital letters?

BBALLER4FR · Post #1584 » by **BBALLER4FR** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:36 am

Kinglee wrote:
Battery wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:
Phil disparaged melo and it rubbed KP the wrong way. Melo has taken kp under his wing and theres a lot of respect there, yet Phil disrespected melo pretty bad. Fans are looking at it as kp throwing a hissy fit, but in his eyes he's defending a teammate. There's actually some honor in that.

Maybe that's the problem. Phil is trying to implement a system that Melo wants no part of. You know, things that actually win in the NBA like ball movement, moving without the ball, defense, rebounding, being coachable, getting an open shot, setting up teammates. If Porzingis stays, Melo has to get lost. And if Porzingis is mad about Melo being forced out and expressing it publicly, then adios to him too.

Quoting you not to reply to you but to use ya post as an example. It's so tiring addressing these type of post, I don't know why people continue to write these kind of things.

You know what? Maybe Phil should take a run at coaching.

HarthorneWingo · Post #1585 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:37 am

Greenie wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:no thanks. every convo doesn't end well with you. it's better you ignore my posts

Objection overruled. The witness will answer the question.

5th amendment

I hereby nullify the 5th Amendment for purposes of this proceeding. This is the Court of Knicks Assigned to the District of RealGm. Judge Harthorne Wingo presiding.

Court Crier: Oyez, Oyez, Oyez! All those who seek justice shall come before this Court and be heard by the Honorable Harthorne Wingo II. The first case on today's docket is The Users of RealGM (Knicks) vs. 3toheadm...

Judge Wingo: Wait! Who? 3toheadmelo? Again?

Guano · Post #1586 » by **Guano** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:53 am

today has been exciting, but when you stop to think about it none of it matters because the warriors are going to win the next 4 championships.

Battery · Post #1587 » by **Battery** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:54 am

Adelheid wrote:
Battery wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:
Phil disparaged melo and it rubbed KP the wrong way. Melo has taken kp under his wing and theres a lot of respect there, yet Phil disrespected melo pretty bad. Fans are looking at it as kp throwing a hissy fit, but in his eyes he's defending a teammate. There's actually some honor in that.

Maybe that's the problem. Phil is trying to implement a system that Melo wants no part of. You know, things that actually win in the NBA like ball movement, moving without the ball, defense, rebounding, being coachable, getting an open shot, setting up teammates. If Porzingis stays, Melo has to get lost. And if Porzingis is mad about Melo being forced out and expressing it publicly, then adios to him too.

Its amazing that Phil re-signed Melo when Phil knows what kind of player Melo is and how Melo is not synonymous with the things Phil wants to instill to the ballclub. Amazingly head-scratching, that is.

Okay, I'm going to break it down to you in simple terms because a lot of people are getting on Phil for the poor decisions he's made so far. Who hired Phil? James Dolan. Who hired Phil to become President of the franchise? James Dolan. Who hired Phil after knowing full well he had no executive experience? James Dolan.

So when you think about it rationally, how could you expect Phil to make great executive decisions right off the bat? Phil has had to learn on the job how to be an executive. Giving Melo a no-trade clause was a huge mistake. Signing Noah was a huge mistake. How he deals with the fans and media is a huge mistake. How he's treated Melo and Porzingis is not much different than the way any great coach would treat his players. But he's not the coach, he's an executive and still learning how to deal with players in this capacity.

But I want you to know that I'm not defending Phil here, just applying basic principles to him that you and everyone else, including me would apply to any rookie or someone as young as Porzingis who is still learning how to be great at what he does. Phil is still learning how to be a great executive. The problem is, he doesn't exactly have a great mentor in James Dolan to teach him how to be the CEO of the Knicks.

It's really not rocket science. Even Michael Jordan had to learn how to be great. Yes, he could score with the best of them as a rookie but in order to win championships, he needed to understand what makes a great team.

Greenie · Post #1588 » by **Greenie** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:15 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Greenie wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Objection overruled. The witness will answer the question.

5th amendment

I hereby nullify the 5th Amendment for purposes of this proceeding. This is the Court of Knicks Assigned to the District of RealGm. Judge Harthorne Wingo presiding.

Court Crier: Oyez, Oyez, Oyez! All those who seek justice shall come before this Court and be heard by the Honorable Harthorne Wingo II. The first case on today's docket is The Users of RealGM (Knicks) vs. 3toheadm...

Judge Wingo: Wait! Who? 3toheadmelo? Again?

Recuse yourself.
I'm the judge now...

HarthorneWingo · Post #1589 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:18 am

Greenie wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Greenie wrote:5th amendment

I hereby nullify the 5th Amendment for purposes of this proceeding. This is the Court of Knicks Assigned to the District of RealGm. Judge Harthorne Wingo presiding.

Court Crier: Oyez, Oyez, Oyez! All those who seek justice shall come before this Court and be heard by the Honorable Harthorne Wingo II. The first case on today's docket is The Users of RealGM (Knicks) vs. 3toheadm...

Judge Wingo: Wait! Who? 3toheadmelo? Again?

Recuse yourself.
I'm the judge now...

Somehow, I just knew you would want to be the judge.

Greenie · Post #1590 » by **Greenie** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:18 am

Battery wrote:
Adelheid wrote:
Battery wrote:

Maybe that's the problem. Phil is trying to implement a system that Melo wants no part of. You know, things that actually win in the NBA like ball movement, moving without the ball, defense, rebounding, being coachable, getting an open shot, setting up teammates. If Porzingis stays, Melo has to get lost. And if Porzingis is mad about Melo being forced out and expressing it publicly, then adios to him too.

Its amazing that Phil re-signed Melo when Phil knows what kind of player Melo is and how Melo is not synonymous with the things Phil wants to instill to the ballclub. Amazingly head-scratching, that is.

Okay, I'm going to break it down to you in simple terms because a lot of people are getting on Phil for the poor decisions he's made so far. Who hired Phil? James Dolan. Who hired Phil to become President of the franchise? James Dolan. Who hired Phil after knowing full well he had no executive experience? James Dolan.

So when you think about it rationally, how could you expect Phil to make great executive decisions right off the bat? Phil has had to learn on the job how to be an executive. Giving Melo a no-trade clause was a huge mistake. Signing Noah was a huge mistake. How he deals with the fans and media is a huge mistake. How he's treated Melo and Porzingis is not much different than the way any great coach would treat his players. But he's not the coach, he's an executive and still learning how to deal with players in this capacity.

But I want you to know that I'm not defending Phil here, just applying basic principles to him that you and everyone else, including me would apply to any rookie or someone as young as Porzingis who is still learning how to be great at what he does. Phil is still learning how to be a great executive. The problem is, he doesn't exactly have a great mentor in James Dolan to teach him how to be the CEO of the Knicks.

It's really not rocket science. Even Michael Jordan had to learn how to be great. Yes, he could score with the best of them as a rookie but in order to win championships, he needed to understand what makes a great team.

Read the enlarged back to yourself 10 times and tell me if you see the area of contention between that and the rest of what you typed.

Battery · Post #1591 » by **Battery** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:45 am

Greenie wrote:
Battery wrote:
Adelheid wrote:
Its amazing that Phil re-signed Melo when Phil knows what kind of player Melo is and how Melo is not synonymous with the things Phil wants to instill to the ballclub. Amazingly head-scratching, that is.

Okay, I'm going to break it down to you in simple terms because a lot of people are getting on Phil for the poor decisions he's made so far. Who hired Phil? James Dolan. Who hired Phil to become President of the franchise? James Dolan. Who hired Phil after knowing full well he had no executive experience? James Dolan.

So when you think about it rationally, how could you expect Phil to make great executive decisions right off the bat? Phil has had to learn on the job how to be an executive. Giving Melo a no-trade clause was a huge mistake. Signing Noah was a huge mistake. How he deals with the fans and media is a huge mistake. How he's treated Melo and Porzingis is not much different than the way any great coach would treat his players. But he's not the coach, he's an executive and still learning how to deal with players in this capacity.

But I want you to know that I'm not defending Phil here, just applying basic principles to him that you and everyone else, including me would apply to any rookie or someone as young as Porzingis who is still learning how to be great at what he does. Phil is still learning how to be a great executive. The problem is, he doesn't exactly have a great mentor in James Dolan to teach him how to be the CEO of the Knicks.

It's really not rocket science. Even Michael Jordan had to learn how to be great. Yes, he could score with the best of them as a rookie but in order to win championships, he needed to understand what makes a great team.

Read the enlarged back to yourself 10 times and tell me if you see the area of contention between that and the rest of what you typed.

I'm too stupid to figure out what you mean. Please enlighten me so I can offer a better response.

Revived · Post #1592 » by **Revived** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:03 am

Phil is asking for too much meaning he's only willing to deal Porzingis if some team overpays.

This is one of the offers he made:

Read on Twitter

He knew Suns would obviously not do that but he took a shot just in case.

Y'all need to chill, Porzingis ain't going anywhere.

Dr. Detfink · Post #1593 » by **Dr. Detfink** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:40 am

I'm convinced this is media driven. Of course teams are calling about KP and the Knicks must extend a courtesy, by listening without laughing but we all know the deals are garbage.

Sure if the right deal came along, I'd pull the trigger but that's not happening.

Post #1594 » by **Capn'O** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:48 am

ginobiliflops wrote:I come in peace. Is KP really on the block? I doubt that but people keep floating his name over on our boards. Thanks for the insights! Best of luck on draft day.

PS. I used to secretly root for NYK when LJ, Allan Houston and Ewing were there. Can't forget Van Gundy and those fights! Chris Childs was a childhood hero haha. Great teams, lots of fun.

I don't think he is unless there is a monster offer. We're not shopping.

There is a strange overlap with Knicks and Spurs fans. We're all aspiring spurs fans that can't make the commitment but there's a reciprocal vein, I've noticed. Strange bedfellows. And we often seem beat you once a year for some reason.

ctorres · Post #1595 » by **ctorres** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:51 am

Read on Twitter

Post #1596 » by **Capn'O** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:02 am

god shammgod wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
you made it a little too personal i think. he's just a kid. kids make mistakes. this is rather benign if you really think about it. he's throwing a little temper tantrum or whatever. if he plays well, who cares. if he doesn't, that will be the disappointment for me. not this. but i'm that way in general. i don't need to like a person to enjoy what they do. i can separate it. if he was a complete dick it wouldn't matter much to me. you invested yourself in believing him being a nice kid, so now you're seeing another side and it disappoints you. that's what letting you down. i understand. but just focus on if he can back down someone he's a foot taller than next year. that's the important stuff. if he goes on to play well for years, nobody will barely remember this.

No, KP threw a temper tantrum, JANIS took it to another level to justify his leach like existence living off his brother now. Now he can feel all important again by crafting this event to achieve some sort of goal, whatever the f*ck that might be.

This reminds me of that corny sh*t that would happen when CAA was all over Melo. I thought with KP there might not be any, but apparently Janis got his hands on the Latvian language version of "Being A Super Agent - For Dummies"

it could be that janis is behind this or it could be kp's wishes and janis acting on his behalf. i don't know that we know or that it's important. i'm saying though, it's all just noise. it won't mater much. maybe there will be more pressure on him to perform like you said. but there was gonna be plenty of that anyway.

and i think in general msg breeds dysfunction, so that will always be with us. it just happens to be at a high right now. and this is gonna sound like me being me but i think the guy at the top has created this atmosphere. and that's where we are right now.

Top or tippy top?

Or is it more a matter of there's only one of them you can actually get rid of?

Great convo btw. I fall somewhere in the middle. KP's being a butt - it's immaturity but unclear whether it's a feature or a bug. I still say we ought to play it out and find out unless there's a blow away way out.

MadGrinch · Post #1597 » by **MadGrinch** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:13 am

its all smoke and mirrors ,
all these rumors are to stop the t'wolves from dealing with the mavs so phil can draft ntilikina
the wolves want markannen , but if phil can deal kp and now has interest in lauri , he can screw up the wolves plan if they trade picks.

its just a smokescreen

GettinitDone · Post #1598 » by **GettinitDone** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:22 am

ctorres wrote:

Read on Twitter

Evan has no idea what he's talkin that's y he gets traded all the time

aq_ua · Post #1599 » by **aq_ua** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:23 am

ctorres wrote:

Read on Twitter

Well, at least no more worrying about Phil trading for Evan Turner and a Portland pick.

Sark · Post #1600 » by **Sark** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:33 am

MadGrinch wrote:its all smoke and mirrors ,
all these rumors are to stop the t'wolves from dealing with the mavs so phil can draft ntilikina
the wolves want markannen , but if phil can deal kp and now has interest in lauri , he can screw up the wolves plan if they trade picks.

its just a smokescreen

Haha that would be ultimate level mind fckery by Phil, if that's his real agenda.