2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV

PhilasFinest · Post #1941 » by **PhilasFinest** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:36 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Should Illinois' Malcolm Hill be getting more attention? He's 6'6" 230 pounds and can flat out score. Three years of 14 ppg or higher production. Has really good ball skills, too. Not a great defender, but not a liability, either. Not a vertical athlete, but dude has some sudden movement and burst. Very powerful, too.

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He's a senior, but he's only 21 years old. That's incredibly young from a grade perspective.

Hes not bad, certainly fits the bill and checks the boxes you look for in a role player wing. When I was putting together my list i left him off due to shooting % from 3 and gave the final nod to Davon Reed(39% 3 and 7' wingspan) and Daymean Dotson (44% 3 on nearly 8 att)

Skates · Post #1942 » by **Skates** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:03 pm

Sounds like Josh Jackson may be trying to target the Suns as the team that picks him, or whoever the Suns trade the pick to.

Kobblehead · Post #1943 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:50 pm

I can already see Malcolm Hill's career path.

He'll go undrafted, struggle adjusting to NBA length and athleticism in the Summer League, ball out in the G-League, get rewarded with a non-guaranteed multiyear deal by some NBA team in a late season call up.

Embiid P · Post #1944 » by **Embiid P** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:13 pm

Assuming Jackson falls out of the top 3, is there any realistic way we can get #4 from the Suns without trading our core (Embiid, Simmons, and Fultz)? I imagine Saric and/or Covington would have to be included, along with our own pick next year unprotected. Plus we can afford to absorb one or more of their contracts (Dudley, Barbosa, etc.)

XtremeDunkz · Post #1945 » by **XtremeDunkz** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:55 pm

Seems like Jackson doesn't wanna be buried on the bench in Boston.

SelfishPlayer · Post #1946 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:33 pm

There is just too much going on with Josh Jackson. I purely didn't like him for on the court reasons, now with the altercation he had with the woman, the retracted Fultz hate tweet, and recently trying to steer himself away from a top lottery team. That's just too much, it can't be worth it.

broseph13 · Post #1947 » by **broseph13** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:48 pm

Josh Jackson = MKG 2.0

Not sure why people think he's such great player. He's more of glue guy than a first option star player.

BoomBap · Post #1948 » by **BoomBap** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:30 pm

i think he really wanted to play for us. But now he would be a bench player on a great team and he won't see a lot of minutes. I can understand him

PhilasFinest · Post #1949 » by **PhilasFinest** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:08 am

Kobblehead wrote:I can already see Malcolm Hill's career path.

He'll go undrafted, struggle adjusting to NBA length and athleticism in the Summer League, ball out in the G-League, get rewarded with a non-guaranteed multiyear deal by some NBA team in a late season call up.

So basically you see him as Robert Covington lol.

Kobblehead · Post #1950 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:14 am

PhilasFinest wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:I can already see Malcolm Hill's career path.

He'll go undrafted, struggle adjusting to NBA length and athleticism in the Summer League, ball out in the G-League, get rewarded with a non-guaranteed multiyear deal by some NBA team in a late season call up.

So basically you see him as Robert Covington lol.

In a way. Covington was more of a developmental project with freaky tools.

I think Malcolm Hill situation is very similar to Marcus Georges-Hunt's from last year. Meh length, meh athleticism, but each dude just got buckets and made a big impact on the court.

Georges-Hunt played well in the D-League and scored that deal with Orlando at the end of the season. I can see the same scenario unfolding with Hill.

cksdayoff · Post #1951 » by **cksdayoff** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:51 am

saw the realgm wiretap that the celtics are looking to trade down for dsj

i can see boston taking tatum over jackson also

Kobblehead · Post #1952 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:58 am

I'm fine with Boston taking Tatum or Smith. I think there's more risk in both players than others in the Top 10 (discluding the unknown Ntilikina).

PhilasFinest · Post #1953 » by **PhilasFinest** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:59 am

Kobblehead wrote:I'm fine with Boston taking Tatum or Smith. I think there's more risk in both players than others in the Top 10 (discluding the unknown Ntilikina).

I like DSJ, probably more then most....but he's a TERRIBLE fit with Boston as is.

the_process · Post #1954 » by **the_process** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:07 am

PhilasFinest wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:I'm fine with Boston taking Tatum or Smith. I think there's more risk in both players than others in the Top 10 (discluding the unknown Ntilikina).

I like DSJ, probably more then most....but he's a TERRIBLE fit with Boston as is.

Ainge is great at finding suckers... but he's not so good with his draft selections or his asset management.

ivysixer2000 · Post #1955 » by **ivysixer2000** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:33 am

the_process wrote:
PhilasFinest wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:I'm fine with Boston taking Tatum or Smith. I think there's more risk in both players than others in the Top 10 (discluding the unknown Ntilikina).

I like DSJ, probably more then most....but he's a TERRIBLE fit with Boston as is.

Ainge is great at finding suckers... but he's not so good with his draft selections or his asset management.

There is no reason Ainge shouldn't go all in on KP, they need size, not another guard.

He's probably waiting on next year to draft a big man, but KP is a fit for them. While I actually don't want to see them get him at all, I do have to wonder why they wouldn't do it.

freshie2 · Post #1956 » by **freshie2** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:43 am

What if 3-4-5 goes Tatum, Fox, Jackson to the Kings, and then Smith falls to the Kings at 10. Boom or bust, but isn't the addition of Jackson and Smith very intriguing?

Chris76 · Post #1957 » by **Chris76** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:46 am

Simbiid wrote:Assuming Jackson falls out of the top 3, is there any realistic way we can get #4 from the Suns without trading our core (Embiid, Simmons, and Fultz)? I imagine Saric and/or Covington would have to be included, along with our own pick next year unprotected. Plus we can afford to absorb one or more of their contracts (Dudley, Barbosa, etc.)

Covington could be our starting SF, we know his defense is already very impactful and he improved as a playmaker. With Embiid as the anchor, Covington, Saric, Stauskus, and Okafor could take huge leaps being in the rotation. I would hate to see them traded and than have breakout seasons for someone else.

Embiid P · Post #1958 » by **Embiid P** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:28 pm

Chris76 wrote:
Simbiid wrote:Assuming Jackson falls out of the top 3, is there any realistic way we can get #4 from the Suns without trading our core (Embiid, Simmons, and Fultz)? I imagine Saric and/or Covington would have to be included, along with our own pick next year unprotected. Plus we can afford to absorb one or more of their contracts (Dudley, Barbosa, etc.)

Covington could be our starting SF, we know his defense is already very impactful and he improved as a playmaker. With Embiid as the anchor, Covington, Saric, Stauskus, and Okafor could take huge leaps being in the rotation. I would hate to see them traded and than have breakout seasons for someone else.

I see what you're saying. If push came to shove, I'd rather give up Saric than Covington, mainly because Covington is a much better defender than Saric. I don't see either Okafor or Stauskas having a future here as both are subpar defenders.

I was simply stating that in order to get value like the fourth overall pick, you normally have to give up value as well, and given that Embiid, Simmons and Fultz are currently all but untouchable pieces not to mention the stipulations involving the Lakers and Kings picks, surrendering either Saric or Covington would be a must along with our own pick next year. I'm not even sure that would be enough to get it done.

Since it looks like Josh Jackson may very well fall out of the top 3, I'd like to see BC make a push for him. Sure his shooting is suspect but he is an athletic wing defender which is something that is desperately needed to eventually beat a team like GS in the Finals.

Kobblehead · Post #1959 » by **Kobblehead** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:35 pm

I'd rather we exercise some restraint and focus our attention on consolidating 2nds to move into the back of the first.

Unbreakable99 · Post #1960 » by **Unbreakable99** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:48 pm

Kobblehead wrote:I'd rather we exercise some restraint and focus our attention on consolidating 2nds to move into the back of the first.

I think that's exactly what BC will do. I mean he said that during his pressure when he talked about trading to number 1. I like the types of players BC values. Hopefully he can move up. We don't have enough spots on the roster if we draft 4 second rounders so I'm 99% sure of a trade up.