2017-2018 College Basketball / '18 NBA Draft Thread

[Ericb5]

^^ I'm not sure a system in which players have to be at college for two years is all that workable. Simmons wAs NBA ready straight out of high school and it was pretty obvious going to college for a year did nothing for him, let alone wasting him for two years there. If a two year stint was mandatory you'd find a lot more players doing a one and done in an international league

The expected proposal is that players can enter the draft straight out of highschool. But those that choose to go to school have to stay for 2 years.

That's one possibility, but that isn't going to improve the problem for colleges or the pro teams. It will just make it better for prospects like Ben Simmons who was ready out of highschool.

The teams and the colleges want it longer than one year, and the players don't, but the players want other things that the other two don't want so it will be a negotiation.

The problem with allowing the Lebrons of the world to go straight to the NBA is that a whole lot of kids lose because they think that they have a shot, and end up blowing their chance. There are a heck of a lot more Korleone Youngs, than there are Lebrons.

How many of this year's top ten would have gone straight to the NBA if they could, and were forced to stay 2 years in college if they didn't?

The NFL has a rule that you have to be 3 years out of highschool to be eligible for the draft. I think that 2 years for the NBA is extremely reasonable.

Baseball and Hockey are different because they have extensive minor league options for the players who don't go straight to the top:


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[PLO]

I don't think an either NBA-out-of-school or two years in college will stop leakage to overseas leagues. Bolden went overseas because he was being played out of position at UCLA - what about talented prospects who have limited playing time because they are blocked by second year players? Would you really sign up for a top college team if you're playing time is going to be limited? Its basically going to make drafting players harder - a player like Ferguson was overdrafted IMO and basically off his high school tape and because of the mystery of him playing in Australia. I think it would actually make the talent pool in college poorer, not richer; the only players who'd sign up for college would be guys who are going to stay there three or four years (ie the journeymen with an eye on a free education and a bad chance of being drafted into the NBA) or just the absolute superstars. If you're a prospect you want exposure so you can be scouted - how are you going to get that if a less-talented-but-older someone is ahead of you on the depth chart?

[shawn_hemp]

If they make kids stay in school for 2 years before going to the NBA there will just be a mass exodus of prospects from the NCAA to foreign leagues.

It is already happening with certain players, and will only become more prevalent as basketball grows in popularity around the world.

College basketball will always be the best way to get exposure, but I feel like some guys use playing overseas to their advantage.

Like Mudiay on the Nuggets, I often wonder if he would have gone as high in the draft if he played ball in college over here instead of in China.

[ivysixer2000]

If they make kids stay in school for 2 years before going to the NBA there will just be a mass exodus of prospects from the NCAA to foreign leagues.

It is already happening with certain players, and will only become more prevalent as basketball grows in popularity around the world.

College basketball will always be the best way to get exposure, but I feel like some guys use playing overseas to their advantage.

Like Mudiay on the Nuggets, I often wonder if he would have gone as high in the draft if he played ball in college over here instead of in China.

Yeah, I really don't see why they would go play college ball for free really, go overseas, make some money and come back.

Sure its cool to play college basketball here and all, but at the end of the day these guys are already making a career out of basketball so they don't need college. If you want to keep them here, develop a minor league system in the NBA that's actually worth something. This isn't the NFL where you have to be physically developed enough to play, the NBA can actually do this with no problem.

Otherwise we will see more and more just leave.

[BoomBap]

If they go overseas they can't be drafted for 3 or 4 years after they leave high school or they have to be 21 or something like that.

[shawn_hemp]

If they go overseas they can't be drafted for 3 or 4 years after they leave high school or they have to be 21 or something like that.

This is starting to sound borderline illegal tbh.

How can you make players ineligible for different amounts of time based off whether they go to college or not?

If you want to make them have to play overseas for 2 years rather than college here for 2 years that's one thing because it's equal.

But to say "oh well you didn't play in college so you have to wait an extra year" is downright bull.

I'm so sick of the NCAA. They seriously don't do anything substantial. They basically cater some events, reap huge profits by using unpaid athletes and their likeness, and hand out a few lanyards to some d bags in khakis and collared shirts to stand around on the sidelines and look busy.

I really hope they just have a huge scandal and are forced to basically dissolve so we can just pay college athletes like we should

[BoomBap]

You won't get a lot of jobs, without a college degree. So it's like go to college and learn something or do something else and pray to your god that it works.

But I am on your side. I think the NCAA sucks and the guys should be allowed to skip college, go overseas or be one-and-done. I don''t even know why they want to change the rules?!

[ivysixer2000]

If they go overseas they can't be drafted for 3 or 4 years after they leave high school or they have to be 21 or something like that.

This is starting to sound borderline illegal tbh.

How can you make players ineligible for different amounts of time based off whether they go to college or not?

If you want to make them have to play overseas for 2 years rather than college here for 2 years that's one thing because it's equal.

But to say "oh well you didn't play in college so you have to wait an extra year" is downright bull.

I'm so sick of the NCAA. They seriously don't do anything substantial. They basically cater some events, reap huge profits by using unpaid athletes and their likeness, and hand out a few lanyards to some d bags in khakis and collared shirts to stand around on the sidelines and look busy.

I really hope they just have a huge scandal and are forced to basically dissolve so we can just pay college athletes like we should

Well they can always go to some unnamed colleges (everyone should know who they are) and get paid really.

My problem is now we speak of keeping them longer, yet we don't say the same thing about other sports. Why doesn't the NBA just have a developed minor league system like other sports.... this isn't a worry if you play tennis. I shouldn't say why, but the point is that it should be changed.

Colleges make too much money off of basketball and football, so any change would meet huge resistance.

[the_process]

I think now 26/30 teams have G-League affiliates? Within the next couple of years all teams will have them. Then they can actually use the G-League as a minor league. First thing to do is bump up the salary on those 2-way deals so more guys will actually accept them.

[Kobblehead]

Wichita State players don't often leave school early, but Landry Shamet is an intriguing player worth monitoring. The tourney game against Kentucky was an impressive showing.

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[Sixerscan]

If they go overseas they can't be drafted for 3 or 4 years after they leave high school or they have to be 21 or something like that.

NBA doesn't care about guys going to college. They just want a larger sample size of play to evaluate these guys. Can do that in the d league or Europe too.

If this actually becomes a thing, I wonder if you see some like Spanish ACB version of Kentucky develop where all the top prospects go play there for two years.

[ivysixer2000]

If they go overseas they can't be drafted for 3 or 4 years after they leave high school or they have to be 21 or something like that.

NBA doesn't care about guys going to college. They just want a larger sample size of play to evaluate these guys. Can do that in the d league or Europe too.

If this actually becomes a thing, I wonder if you see some like Spanish ACB version of Kentucky develop where all the top prospects go play there for two years.

Yeah, Kentucky is one of those names of course. If I'm a broke talented kid and need money, I'm going overseas unless some team here can help me. If your good enough, some college team will help, otherwise just leave.

A kid shouldn't be not allowed to make a living for him and his family, its not done in any sport other than football (which I agree has to be done somewhat). If its a Spanish thing, fine, but they shouldn't have to move to Spain. The NBA could do this, right here.

[OleSchool]

I think 1 way to fix this age problem is to create a true minor league system. Expand the draft to 3 rounds, kids have a choice go to draft or college but if you go to college you have to stay for 2 years.

This way kids who don't want college can get actual experience instead of rotting at the end of the bench

[shawn_hemp]

If this actually becomes a thing, I wonder if you see some like Spanish ACB version of Kentucky develop where all the top prospects go play there for two years.

that's sort of what the Serbian club Mega Leks is going for. They are one of the few European clubs that give young players a fair amount of minutes and im sure NBA scouts are happy.

Jokic, Zubac, and TLC all played there

this is a good article about it
https://flannelpbrandper.com/2016/06/24/club-profile-kk-mega-basket-mega-leks-of-serbia/

[oddwolfhooligan]

Don't you think you're just romanticizing Sexton's blend of athleticism/scoring? He pops off the screen like Dennis Smith and De'Aaron Fox did this time last year. I don't get the impression that his superstar potential is any greater than the other top guys in this class, though.

I think the appeal with Sexton is that it takes almost no projection to see how he can become an all-star level scoring guard. As of right this moment, he already has the quick-twitch athleticism, the motor, the ball skills, the ability to score on all three levels, the passing ability, and the work ethic. All he has to do is keep improving these qualities he already has a knack for and he'll get there. With the other top North American guys in this class, they all have some sort of major flaw that's not as easily correctable and could ultimately prevent them from becoming all-star level players.

Porter- He's billed as a high-level scoring wing but his struggles with playing on-ball are very real. I still have no idea why this isn't being made into a bigger deal.

Ayton- He has all the potential in the world and will be the best player from this class if he ever truly wants it, but up to this point in time he has shown no where near enough drive. Some guys just don't love the game enough and he might be one of them.

Bamba- Pretty unlikely that he ever becomes anything more than a teams 4th or 5th scoring option

Duval- Jump shot

Carter- I actually think he's a little underrated since he has a ton of skills with no clear flaws, but he also isn't really elite at anything.

Robinson- IQ and overall skill level still has a ways to go

[BoomBap]

A city like Barcelona just needs a team like that and the moment the guys hear about the cannabis clubs and the beaches there, every 5-star recruit will go there

[Ericb5]

Let's not for get that these are American kids that probably don't want to spend a year in a foreign place away from home, with language issues, etc...
There isn't currently a better place for their basketball development than a college in the US.

They need to figure out someway to give division 1 athletes a basic stipend, and insurance against catastrophic injury, and those things should be able to be worked out by the NCAA.

Pay athletes something akin to a good college kid age job, like $15 an hour for all practice, games, and travel time.

I really think that there is a deal to be made here for no straight from highschool entry, and 2 years in college or elsewhere before draft eligibility.

It's a no brainer benefit for the NBA, and the NCAA, and it will benefit the vast majority of the kids too.


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[ivysixer2000]

Let's not for get that these are American kids that probably don't want to spend a year in a foreign place away from home, with language issues, etc...
There isn't currently a better place for their basketball development than a college in the US.

They need to figure out someway to give division 1 athletes a basic stipend, and insurance against catastrophic injury, and those things should be able to be worked out by the NCAA.

Pay athletes something akin to a good college kid age job, like $15 an hour for all practice, games, and travel time.

I really think that there is a deal to be made here for no straight from highschool entry, and 2 years in college or elsewhere before draft eligibility.

It's a no brainer benefit for the NBA, and the NCAA, and it will benefit the vast majority of the kids too.


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I know noone wants to see college basketball decrease in excitement. But they should be catering to the kids, not the NCAA...baseball doesn't, ask yourself why basketball does.

Kurkmaz made money last year, why couldn't Fultz make money?? The NCAA should never really be involved in paying kids, $15 dollars an hour isn't enough.....they get paid that right now for jobs they never even show up to.

We are talking about money they are worth, an actual contract. The NBA needs to step up and just have a real minor league here in the USA.

[Negrodamus]

Let's not for get that these are American kids that probably don't want to spend a year in a foreign place away from home, with language issues, etc...
There isn't currently a better place for their basketball development than a college in the US.

They need to figure out someway to give division 1 athletes a basic stipend, and insurance against catastrophic injury, and those things should be able to be worked out by the NCAA.

Pay athletes something akin to a good college kid age job, like $15 an hour for all practice, games, and travel time.

I really think that there is a deal to be made here for no straight from highschool entry, and 2 years in college or elsewhere before draft eligibility.

It's a no brainer benefit for the NBA, and the NCAA, and it will benefit the vast majority of the kids too.


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I know noone wants to see college basketball decrease in excitement. But they should be catering to the kids, not the NCAA...baseball doesn't, ask yourself why basketball does.

Kurkmaz made money last year, why couldn't Fultz make money?? The NCAA should never really be involved in paying kids, $15 dollars an hour isn't enough.....they get paid that right now for jobs they never even show up to.

We are talking about money they are worth, an actual contract. The NBA needs to step up and just have a real minor league here in the USA.

Fultz had the same opportunity to make money as Terrance Ferguson, Emmanuel Mudiay, Brandon Jennings, etc.

[Ericb5]

Let's not for get that these are American kids that probably don't want to spend a year in a foreign place away from home, with language issues, etc...
There isn't currently a better place for their basketball development than a college in the US.

They need to figure out someway to give division 1 athletes a basic stipend, and insurance against catastrophic injury, and those things should be able to be worked out by the NCAA.

Pay athletes something akin to a good college kid age job, like $15 an hour for all practice, games, and travel time.

I really think that there is a deal to be made here for no straight from highschool entry, and 2 years in college or elsewhere before draft eligibility.

It's a no brainer benefit for the NBA, and the NCAA, and it will benefit the vast majority of the kids too.


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I know noone wants to see college basketball decrease in excitement. But they should be catering to the kids, not the NCAA...baseball doesn't, ask yourself why basketball does.

Kurkmaz made money last year, why couldn't Fultz make money?? The NCAA should never really be involved in paying kids, $15 dollars an hour isn't enough.....they get paid that right now for jobs they never even show up to.

We are talking about money they are worth, an actual contract. The NBA needs to step up and just have a real minor league here in the USA.

Korkmaz made money in Europe, and any college kid is free to do the same if that is what they choose. Korkmaz is also 21, and I'm talking about 18, and 19 year old kids.

This whole "pay them what they are worth" stuff is BS. If colleges could pay kids to play for them then what is to stop colleges from fielding completely professional teams? Who gets hurt in that case?

You take a small school that wants to increase their profile so they spend 100k per person on their team. You don't think that you could find 12 grown men that would take 100k to play for a college team, and then make that team compete with the best amateur teams in the country? It would destroy the game within a few years.

The vast majority of college players would benefit from 2 years of college/European Seasoning before going to the nba. Still, I don't think that the argument should be based on what is best for the elite prospects. I think it should be based on what is best for the NBA, the NCAA, and the NBA players association. Those three groups will come together and make an agreement. There is no group that represents the 18 year old Lebron James so he has no voice.

Just like the NBA and the players association had to come together and set the rookie wage scale. Remember what was happening before then when Glenn Robinson wanted $100 million just to accept going to the Bucks at number 1. The powers that be need to negotiate a deal in collective bargaining, and I think that it will eventually happen, and will be good for the game.

You can't tell an 18 year old kid what he can or can't do because it is a free country, but you CAN decide what is legal for entering the NBA.