official Melo trade speculation - thread 2

Post #1041 » by **Capn'O** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:25 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:it's a fact that phil killed melo's value
“Tremendously,” another exec said when asked how much Jackson may have damaged Anthony’s trade value. “He essentially said, ‘I want to dump this guy.’ ”

“Phil made a statement basically that Carmelo’s a losing type of player. Well, if he’s a loser for the Knicks, he’s going to be a winner someplace else? That obviously didn’t help,” one Eastern Conference executive said.

we're gonna end up buying out melo and ending up with nothing.
well done phil

Yeah - Phil handled the Melo saga really badly. He can't help himself but to play coach when he's not one. Everyone knows who Melo is at this point but as a dealer, you play up the things he can still offer to another team to show that YOU value him. Once you show that you don't, your leverage is gone. At this point, Melo will probably wait it out anyway until the buyout or bad deal comes. Why would he waive the clause if you're willing to just pay him and not deplete the team he'd be going to.

Unless Phil can pull a rabbit out of his hat at the 11th hour, this one will be a significant blemish on his record.

NoLayupRule wrote:all this moronic talk about buying out Melo is adding to the lack of urgency teams have to trade for him

I think once we get some free agency decisions underway - and specifically Paul - the melo interest will perk up

I agree that Paul's final destination is our best bet for a trade happening.

SelbyCobra · Post #1042 » by **SelbyCobra** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:25 pm

Now that Minnesota has Butler, does Melo give them them a tiny bit of consideration? If so a Melo for Rubio deal could probably be worked out.

I could see a

PG: Tyus Jones
SG: Andrew Wiggins
SF: Jimmy Butler
PF: Carmelo Anthony
C: Karl-Anthony Towns

With Thibs as the coach being intriguing to Melo.

But it's also still Minnesota, so there's that...

Post #1043 » by **NoLayupRule** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:25 pm

Knox wrote:
BrOnXKing1 wrote:
NoLayupRule wrote:all this moronic talk about buying out Melo is adding to the lack of urgency teams have to trade for him

I think once we get some free agency decisions underway - and specifically Paul - the melo interest will perk up

The biggest point is, why would Melo waive his no trade clause after Phil basically said he doesn't want him on the team. Melo and his agent are prob thinking either we stay with the knicks or get waived and goto the team of my choice. Phil needs to tell Melo we won't waive you under any circumstance.

Now that I think about it why not send Melo / Rose to the T Wolves in a package deal ?

the wolves wouldnt need us to sign rose but sure, whatever at this point

seren · Post #1044 » by **seren** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:26 pm

HEZI wrote:"Cavs are not interested in trading for Carmelo Anthony"- Windhorst

fwiw

So if we offer Melo for say a package of Frye and Shump, they say no?

This is nonsense. They may not be interested in trading Love for him but it doesn't mean they will never trade for him.

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Post #1045 » by **Capn'O** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:28 pm

And no - benching him is not an option. You're gonna piss off a lot of other guys on the team even more. This isn't a Marbury situation where I think everyone else didn't like it but at least got it. This needs to be resolved in the offseason.

BKlutch · Post #1046 » by **BKlutch** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:28 pm

NoLayupRule wrote:all this moronic talk about buying out Melo is adding to the lack of urgency teams have to trade for him

I think once we get some free agency decisions underway - and specifically Paul - the melo interest will perk up

There's no need to buy out Melo. No need at all.

Why should we spend money to make him go? We don't need a free agent this year, because we're not trying to win now. We're trying to develop our kiddies, so we're better off with fewer victories and a better draft position in 2018.

If we buy out Melo and acquire a FA, maybe we'll win a few more games and get a worse pick. Is this what we really want? Let's allow Dad Melo to show the younguns some of what he knows, as long as he is agreeable to playing within the system. He'll do a good job that way, and he's the only one who will lose out by never getting his ring.

If he really wants to leave, we should look for younger potential starters (ho would develop along with our own) in return. Fewer victories this year, a better draft in '18, and we're on our way.

Sark · Post #1047 » by **Sark** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:28 pm

HEZI wrote:"Cavs are not interested in trading for Carmelo Anthony"- Windhorst

fwiw

Why would they give up an asset for him, as well as pay him an exorbitant salary, when they can just wait it out, and get him as a free agent when he is bought out? They don't view him as the piece that helps them beat GS. If anything Paul George would be that piece. Melo would just be coming along for the ride. The guy can't even get his team to the playoffs for 4 consecutive years in the Leastern Conference. He's a 1 trick pony, which is increasingly less important in the modern NBA.

Dkillanyk4lyf · Post #1048 » by **Dkillanyk4lyf** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:28 pm

Nobody wants the guy. A buyout is best for both parties.

HEZI · Post #1049 » by **HEZI** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:29 pm

seren wrote:
HEZI wrote:"Cavs are not interested in trading for Carmelo Anthony"- Windhorst

fwiw

So if we offer Melo for say a package of Frye and Shump, they say no?

This is nonsense. They may not be interested in trading Love for him but it doesn't mean they will never trade for him.

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That's not a realistic scenario

Fury · Post #1050 » by **Fury** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:31 pm

HEZI wrote:
seren wrote:
HEZI wrote:"Cavs are not interested in trading for Carmelo Anthony"- Windhorst

fwiw

So if we offer Melo for say a package of Frye and Shump, they say no?

This is nonsense. They may not be interested in trading Love for him but it doesn't mean they will never trade for him.

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That's not a realistic scenario

Yeah there's no way we'd accept shump and frye

BKlutch · Post #1051 » by **BKlutch** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:31 pm

Knox wrote:
BrOnXKing1 wrote:
NoLayupRule wrote:all this moronic talk about buying out Melo is adding to the lack of urgency teams have to trade for him

I think once we get some free agency decisions underway - and specifically Paul - the melo interest will perk up

The biggest point is, why would Melo waive his no trade clause after Phil basically said he doesn't want him on the team. Melo and his agent are prob thinking either we stay with the knicks or get waived and goto the team of my choice. Phil needs to tell Melo we won't waive you under any circumstance.

Now that I think about it why not send Melo / Rose to the T Wolves in a package deal ?

I'd ask for Towns/Rubio. But there's a remote chance they'll prefer to keep Towns... so who would we trade them for?
Never need to worry about helping another team by trading Melo to them, because he will only really help them another 2 or so years. We won't be in contention during that time, anyway.

HEZI · Post #1052 » by **HEZI** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:32 pm

Fury wrote:
HEZI wrote:
seren wrote:So if we offer Melo for say a package of Frye and Shump, they say no?

This is nonsense. They may not be interested in trading Love for him but it doesn't mean they will never trade for him.

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That's not a realistic scenario

Yeah there's no way we'd accept shump and frye

Plus the contracts don't even match up

sol537 · Post #1053 » by **sol537** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:32 pm

If Melo wants to stay, keep him... and trade Lee for Rubio. Rubio would help improve ball movement and get guys like KP and Melo easier shots. At least we could "showcase" Melo to show that he's still an all-star talent and then we can hopefully convince him to take a trade by the deadline. Let's build his value back up...

BrOnXKing1 · Post #1054 » by **BrOnXKing1** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:33 pm

Wizards would be best fit for both teams (Melo for Porter). Wiz signing Porter to a big deal would lock that squad up for many years without much flexibility (not good enough to win the east) but Melo on the other hand gives them a chance to win the east. They also have Oubre to groom as a future small forward.

sol537 · Post #1055 » by **sol537** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:35 pm

Washington would probably want an additional asset with Melo for Porter. Probably our 2018 1st rounder (protected)....

Would you do 'Melo + 2018 NYK 1st (top 7 protected, then goes to 2019 with top 3 protection) for Otto Porter?

Worth consideration, especially if we could follow it up with Lee for Rubio... That's some defense...

BKlutch · Post #1056 » by **BKlutch** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:39 pm

SelbyCobra wrote:Now that Minnesota has Butler, does Melo give them them a tiny bit of consideration? If so a Melo for Rubio deal could probably be worked out.

I could see a

PG: Tyus Jones
SG: Andrew Wiggins
SF: Jimmy Butler
PF: Carmelo Anthony
C: Karl-Anthony Towns

With Thibs as the coach being intriguing to Melo.

But it's also still Minnesota, so there's that...

I could see this on offense, but how will Melo and Thibs get along on defense? I don't see Melo being able to play with the defensive intensity that Thibs is known to ask for from his players.

Fury · Post #1057 » by **Fury** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:40 pm

sol537 wrote:Washington would probably want an additional asset with Melo for Porter. Probably our 2018 1st rounder (protected)....

Would you do 'Melo + 2018 NYK 1st (top 7 protected, then goes to 2019 with top 3 protection) for Otto Porter?

Worth consideration, especially if we could follow it up with Lee for Rubio... That's some defense...

Nah

BKlutch · Post #1058 » by **BKlutch** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:40 pm

seren wrote:
HEZI wrote:"Cavs are not interested in trading for Carmelo Anthony"- Windhorst

fwiw

So if we offer Melo for say a package of Frye and Shump, they say no?

This is nonsense. They may not be interested in trading Love for him but it doesn't mean they will never trade for him.

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I agree with your point, but practically, I don't see us asking for Shump. That would make too many of us feel slightly nauseous.

Mecca · Post #1059 » by **Mecca** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:40 pm

sol537 wrote:Washington would probably want an additional asset with Melo for Porter. Probably our 2018 1st rounder (protected)....

Would you do 'Melo + 2018 NYK 1st (top 7 protected, then goes to 2019 with top 3 protection) for Otto Porter?

Worth consideration, especially if we could follow it up with Lee for Rubio... That's some defense...

No they wouldn't considering Otto is about to get a near max contract, so he's no longer a cost controlled asset.

Sark · Post #1060 » by **Sark** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:42 pm

I'd rather have nothing than Frye and Shump. Those roster spots could better be used by players that may have a future with us. Frye and Shump will not have a future with us.

It's in our best interest to buy him out and just start fresh. Bringing him back does nothing but stunt the development of the team.