Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2

[bwgood77]

Well, I'm from Turkey and Kings fans in Turkey are mad right now with that Bogdanovic deal. 3/36 seems too much when they already have Buddy Hield, Malachi and drafted Justin Jackson. Also he is not the best player in Europe at all. His team was perfect with coach Obradovic and his system. So we'll see.

That's understandable, but all those guys, Skal and Papa won't hit their second contracts until his is up. I don't know that they need cap space to sign any big free agents, and just lost two pretty significant contracts in Boogie and Gay.

[BobbieL]

Based on my years watching the NBA - there is a progression to winning an NBA title and it takes losing. Granted, I think the Warriors only had the playoffs one year under Mark Jackson and than well the last three years have been outstanding.

But the usual process - like Utah took this year is making the playoffs, winning a round, and learning.

The Suns need to start learning how to win! So no more tanking. Now, does that mean sign Paul Millsap to a 5 year deal just to win this year - no. But it might mean signing good solid veteran players (Livingston now is my guard option, maybe Taj Gibson for up front) to not only help win but help mentor young guys too. If they don't get the 8th spot - that's fine, but push for it dammit!

I know this much - making the 8th seed next year and getting swept by the WArriors will be a bib improvement over not making the playoffs and a great learning lesson for the players

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[bwgood77]

I wonder if the Clips will inquire about Bledsoe. A lot of their fans never wanted to trade him.

[LukasBMW]

"Tanking" is the wrong word.

We need to spend this season "Developing" our young players by throwing them into the fire, giving them heavy minutes, and seeing who's going to be a allstar, who's going to be a rotation player, and who we need to cut.

I'd LOVE LOVE LOVE for us to make the playoffs and finish as the 8th seed with Bledsoe/Booker/TJ making an allstar push, Chriss becoming a force in the paint, JJ leading ROY voting, Ulis becoming the best backup PG in the league, and Bender becoming a rotation player

That would be awesome!

But, if that does not happen and we lose...who cares? It was so much more fun watching Ulis/Booker/TJ/Bender/Chriss last year then it was watching Knight/PJ/Len/Chandler.

I love our young guys and I want them to get the experience.

I hope they play hard and if we make the playoffs...GREAT! If not and we wind up in the lottery...that's fine too!

[BobbieL]

I wonder if the Clips will inquire about Bledsoe. A lot of their fans never wanted to trade him.

That's an interesting thought. They don't have much to trade and really not sure two cash dumps like Beveryly and Lou Williams are enough value for Bledsoe.

I mean Crawford, Bev and Williams for Knight /Bledsoe work in the trade machine but seems like not getting enough value for Bledsoe

[RunDogGun]

I wonder if the Clips will inquire about Bledsoe. A lot of their fans never wanted to trade him.

Interesting thought.

[RunDogGun]

I wonder if the Clips will inquire about Bledsoe. A lot of their fans never wanted to trade him.

That's an interesting thought. They don't have much to trade and really not sure two cash dumps like Beveryly and Lou Williams are enough value for Bledsoe.

I mean Crawford, Bev and Williams for Knight /Bledsoe work in the trade machine but seems like not getting enough value for Bledsoe

Sorry, I didn't see your post before I posted, I was thinking the same thing as you. I guess I could have just and1 your post.

[bwgood77]

I wonder if the Clips will inquire about Bledsoe. A lot of their fans never wanted to trade him.

That's an interesting thought. They don't have much to trade and really not sure two cash dumps like Beveryly and Lou Williams are enough value for Bledsoe.

I mean Crawford, Bev and Williams for Knight /Bledsoe work in the trade machine but seems like not getting enough value for Bledsoe

Yeah, I was thinking they'd need to at least include a protected 2020 first or something. I could go either way. I'd like to see the young guys go, and I don't want to see us give him some enormous contract in a couple of summers, but it would be interesting to see him with the team to start the season as well and he's been a great teammate. I guess I'd at least wait to see what other offers came along after the PG free agents all signed where ever they are going to sign.

[WeekapaugGroove]

If they could get him on a cheap 1 or 2 year prove it deal I wouldn't mind kicking the tires on ben mclamore.

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Where does he even get minutes?

I'd let him compete with reed for backup sg minutes.

It's probably a moot point though because I could see some team like the nets throwing a bigger contract at him than I'd be willing to pay.

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[BobbieL]

I wonder if the Clips will inquire about Bledsoe. A lot of their fans never wanted to trade him.

That's an interesting thought. They don't have much to trade and really not sure two cash dumps like Beveryly and Lou Williams are enough value for Bledsoe.

I mean Crawford, Bev and Williams for Knight /Bledsoe work in the trade machine but seems like not getting enough value for Bledsoe

Sorry, I didn't see your post before I posted, I was thinking the same thing as you. I guess I could have just and1 your post.

But lets thinks about this longer - if you are the Suns and you are not sure Bledsoe is the long term fit == -- plus you have the Knight contract - would the Suns be any worse of a team with Beverly, Williams and Crawford.

Crawford is the 6th man that Knight will never be - so a positive
Beverly/Sweet Lou = well hard to say they would be better than Bledsoe

Suns would be using Bledsoe, so selling low to get rid of Knight

Clippers probably do not even make the deal and I am sure the Suns do not - but if management doesn't think EB is the answer - would create cap space in two years as Crawford is done a year earlier than Knight - but I think end of the day, probably not the best use of Bledsoe as a trade partner.

Now if you made it a three team deal where Sweet Lou/Beverly were moved for a better fit for the Suns - I might be amenable to that
Bledsoe to the Clips
Knight to Clips and Crawford to the Suns
Sweet Lou/Beverly to Team X for a player for the Suns

[AtheJ415]

In my supposed trade I had us trading our 2019 pick. If we still sucked by then (with the current roster) we might as well rebuild on our rebuild.
Also I believe Irving is a very capable passer, and may have more assists if he didn't have Lebron on his squad. Also he has a better assist to turnover rate than Bledsoe/Curry/Lillard/IT/Westbrook/Harden/Dragic.

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Our best players will still be 22 in 2019. I don't think our not contending at that point means anything. Also, the numbers don't lie. Irving has not been a capable passer going back to when Lebron was not there. It is a below average part of his game. His assist totals are really bad. A/T is not the only number to look at there. His assist % is particularly not good and is worse than Bledsoe's despite running a more structured and efficient offense. Harden's is damn near double his. Kyrie also has higher usage than both Bledsoe and Dragic. He gets the ball plenty despite Lebron being there.

I just love it. Who would want to add Kyrie Irving and Blake Griffin?! It's just crazy! Lmao.

I get wanting to build a youth movement but if any team can add a top 20 player without sacrificing a major part of that young core, they do it.

1. This is a trade, and thus you are sacrificing a major part of that young core.

2. An older star player like Blake Griffin is damn near useless to this team. All it does is lead to more current season wins to push us down in the lottery despite having no real chance at winning a title. All the while maxing out our cap space.

It is amazing to me how many fans complain constantly about treadmilling while actively wishing for moves that result in exactly that.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Watson was on Arizona Sports and responded to a question about our FA strategy this season:

(paraphrasing) "We're developing players, one day it'll be about wins".

[RunDogGun]

Watson was on Arizona Sports and responded to question about our FA strategy:

(paraphrasing) "we're about developing players, one day it'll be about wins".

Well his focus should be getting a solid offense and defense system with good chemistry. Without that, it's tough to develop players into a coisive team.

[BobbieL]

Watson was on Arizona Sports and responded to question about our FA strategy this season:

(paraphrasing) "we're developing players, one day it'll be about wins".

So, that means guys like Millsap don't make sense from a dollar perspective. But veterans like Taj Gibson if you want depth at the PF or Shaun Livingston and Guard - or other veterans who know their roles, will be good influences in the locker room and happy to get paid X dollars for 2 years. And if they are needed to perform will do a good job while allowing the young players to grow.

[RunDogGun]

That's an interesting thought. They don't have much to trade and really not sure two cash dumps like Beveryly and Lou Williams are enough value for Bledsoe.

I mean Crawford, Bev and Williams for Knight /Bledsoe work in the trade machine but seems like not getting enough value for Bledsoe

Sorry, I didn't see your post before I posted, I was thinking the same thing as you. I guess I could have just and1 your post.

But lets thinks about this longer - if you are the Suns and you are not sure Bledsoe is the long term fit == -- plus you have the Knight contract - would the Suns be any worse of a team with Beverly, Williams and Crawford.

Crawford is the 6th man that Knight will never be - so a positive
Beverly/Sweet Lou = well hard to say they would be better than Bledsoe

Suns would be using Bledsoe, so selling low to get rid of Knight

Clippers probably do not even make the deal and I am sure the Suns do not - but if management doesn't think EB is the answer - would create cap space in two years as Crawford is done a year earlier than Knight - but I think end of the day, probably not the best use of Bledsoe as a trade partner.

Now if you made it a three team deal where Sweet Lou/Beverly were moved for a better fit for the Suns - I might be amenable to that
Bledsoe to the Clips
Knight to Clips and Crawford to the Suns
Sweet Lou/Beverly to Team X for a player for the Suns

Can players traded now be attached to a multi player trade under the new CBA without a specific time? Wasn't it like 30 days before?

Honestly, I'd rather have Beverly than Crawford. For it to work best for us it might have to be a four team deal with Knight and fillers to another team. Oh well, it's sounding a bit too complicated to be good for us unless we get expiring contracts and multiple picks (most likely with protections).

[RunDogGun]

Watson was on Arizona Sports and responded to question about our FA strategy this season:

(paraphrasing) "we're developing players, one day it'll be about wins".

So, that means guys like Millsap don't make sense from a dollar perspective. But veterans like Taj Gibson if you want depth at the PF or Shaun Livingston and Guard - or other veterans who know their roles, will be good influences in the locker room and happy to get paid X dollars for 2 years. And if they are needed to perform will do a good job while allowing the young players to grow.

I've been on a Livingston kick since last year. I think he would do well here, and he has been through so much in this league, he could be a solid mentor for our young guys.

[bwgood77]

Our best players will still be 22 in 2019. I don't think our not contending at that point means anything. Also, the numbers don't lie. Irving has not been a capable passer going back to when Lebron was not there. It is a below average part of his game. His assist totals are really bad. A/T is not the only number to look at there. His assist % is particularly not good and is worse than Bledsoe's despite running a more structured and efficient offense. Harden's is damn near double his. Kyrie also has higher usage than both Bledsoe and Dragic. He gets the ball plenty despite Lebron being there.

I just love it. Who would want to add Kyrie Irving and Blake Griffin?! It's just crazy! Lmao.

I get wanting to build a youth movement but if any team can add a top 20 player without sacrificing a major part of that young core, they do it.

1. This is a trade, and thus you are sacrificing a major part of that young core.

2. An older star player like Blake Griffin is damn near useless to this team. All it does is lead to more current season wins to push us down in the lottery despite having no real chance at winning a title. All the while maxing out our cap space.

It is amazing to me how many fans complain constantly about treadmilling while actively wishing for moves that result in exactly that.

There is also the fact that Blake has missed 68 games the last two years and 83 in the last three.

[bwgood77]

Watson was on Arizona Sports and responded to question about our FA strategy this season:

(paraphrasing) "we're developing players, one day it'll be about wins".

So, that means guys like Millsap don't make sense from a dollar perspective. But veterans like Taj Gibson if you want depth at the PF or Shaun Livingston and Guard - or other veterans who know their roles, will be good influences in the locker room and happy to get paid X dollars for 2 years. And if they are needed to perform will do a good job while allowing the young players to grow.

I've been on a Livingston kick since last year. I think he would do well here, and he has been through so much in this league, he could be a solid mentor for our young guys.

Livingston crossed my mind a week or two ago and then I took a look at his #s. Not too interested. http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/livinsh01.html

[BobbieL]

So, that means guys like Millsap don't make sense from a dollar perspective. But veterans like Taj Gibson if you want depth at the PF or Shaun Livingston and Guard - or other veterans who know their roles, will be good influences in the locker room and happy to get paid X dollars for 2 years. And if they are needed to perform will do a good job while allowing the young players to grow.

I've been on a Livingston kick since last year. I think he would do well here, and he has been through so much in this league, he could be a solid mentor for our young guys.

Livingston crossed my mind a week or two ago and then I took a look at his #s. Not too interested. http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/livinsh01.html

Livingston is a pretty smart player. Knows his role on the court. Not saying stats aren't important but sometimes smart player help teams that do not show in the box score. With so many young guys - he might be an asset to have on the court