PG Part II: The Summer of George

ConstableGeneva · Post #1661 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:34 pm

Fruit Pastilles wrote:There are VERY few "family men" in the NBA. Lol.

Avery Bradley might be one of them.

The Rondo Show · Post #1662 » by **The Rondo Show** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:34 pm

mzepol wrote:
The Rondo Show wrote:
mzepol wrote:Why do I get the feeling that we will be surprised George is suddenly traded by IND to another team as the Hayward thing is taking too long?
Because fans are a lot more impatient than teams. I don't think that's a rational fear though. IND is going to pass up a chance to get a deal they like more when they already waited past the draft because they don't want to wait 1 more week? Not buying that even slightly. If there was a deadline, it was at the draft (so they could pick their own players and not have to accept who other teams valued most at those draft slots) and they already waited past that. If a deal for George happens now, think it's a sign either Lakers panicked and offered Ball or Ingram, or the Celtics talks were never really very close to begin with. I'd be shocked if IND blew up a deal they liked most because they don't feel like waiting an extra week, though.

Man, I really hope you are right. It's just that too many opportunities like this have slipped past DA's fingers, waiting for the right deal to come along. Then someone else beats us to the punch.

Like when? Any deals in the past involved IND/CHI asking for massive hauls for George+Butler because the players weren't truly available until this off-season. It also involved us very likely having to punt on our max cap space and passing on the chance to acquire a Hayward or Griffin esque talent for nothing but $$$.

So it was a double whammy in the past as far as cost. Bulls+Pacers asking for FAR more than they'll receive this off-season in trades for their stars, and likely giving up a shot at Hayward or Griffin in FA. Those moves made no sense. Not sure where you think Ainge missed some big opportunity or that his plan isn't going according to plan. The sign the FA, then trade for guys was always the most logical approach.

LobCityRondo2KG · Post #1663 » by **LobCityRondo2KG** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:35 pm

I wouldn't give up the laker or Brooklyn pick either.. unless Indiana is able to get their hands on like chicago, Atlanta, or Phoenix unprotected firsts but that is highly unlikely

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chrisab123 · Post #1664 » by **chrisab123** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:37 pm

I'd give the Lakers pick for PG13 if he commits. Would be crazy not to. The more time passes the further I think it works against the C's.

FlatearthZorro · Post #1665 » by **FlatearthZorro** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:37 pm

chrisab123 wrote:
Banks2Pierce wrote:
CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:I am going to cry if Hayward signs with Miami. Never underestimate Pat the Rat.

On that front, I do think it's funny that people are writing Miami off because of Hayward being a gamer and allegedly an introverted family man that is not interested in nightlife. Maybe he is only that way because he's been in Utah for 7 years. I don't know about where he bought his house in San Diego and what, if anything, that implies. Even meeting with Miami considering their blah team situation says at least a little something.

This is why I'm shocked people are understating the threat they bring to the table. Right now I put Utah in the drivers seat barely. Then Boston then Miami. But I believe Miami will be the winners at the end. Never underestimate Riles.

He can sell Hayward on the area on the weather on the outdoor activities up north for the kids the stable ownership and other things. Then he can tell Hayward that they've won 3 titles in the time period Boston has won 1 or the Jazz zero. Then he can show Hayward his ring collection. Don't underestimate this guy. I'm telling you.

Nope, Utah or us easily. Im willing to bet. Even Vegas has us as favorites. And our team is much better than Miami's. Agewise and stylistically.

amory87 · Post #1666 » by **amory87** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:37 pm

chrisab123 wrote:
Banks2Pierce wrote:
CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:I am going to cry if Hayward signs with Miami. Never underestimate Pat the Rat.

On that front, I do think it's funny that people are writing Miami off because of Hayward being a gamer and allegedly an introverted family man that is not interested in nightlife. Maybe he is only that way because he's been in Utah for 7 years. I don't know about where he bought his house in San Diego and what, if anything, that implies. Even meeting with Miami considering their blah team situation says at least a little something.

This is why I'm shocked people are understating the threat they bring to the table. Right now I put Utah in the drivers seat barely. Then Boston then Miami. But I believe Miami will be the winners at the end. Never underestimate Riles.

If he goes to Miami he ain't the dude I thought he was.

Wasting your prime playing for a borderline playoff team for the same money you could get to play for a contender? So you can enjoy the night life? Psh.

I think he's meeting with Miami as a courtesy.

Banks2Pierce · Post #1667 » by **Banks2Pierce** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:37 pm

The meeting is not locked in yet because we are still trying to coordinates schedules with Paul George to make an appearance IMO

Celts17Pride · Post #1668 » by **Celts17Pride** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:38 pm

CrowderKeg wrote:
The Rondo Show wrote:
mzepol wrote:Why do I get the feeling that we will be surprised George is suddenly traded by IND to another team as the Hayward thing is taking too long?
Because fans are a lot more impatient than teams. I don't think that's a rational fear though. IND is going to pass up a chance to get a deal they like more when they already waited past the draft because they don't want to wait 1 more week? Not buying that even slightly. If there was a deadline, it was at the draft and they already waited past that. If a deal for George happens now, think it's a sign either Lakers panicked and offered Ball or Ingram, or the Celtics talks were never really very close to begin with. I'd be shocked if IND blew up a deal they liked most because they don't feel like waiting an extra week, though.

Pritchard came out and said if they had to take George into training camp waiting for better offers, they were willing to do that. FWIW. They don't want to get ****** in the ass more than they already have. I guess they hold some leverage since George is the only star seemingly available in the market and teams willing to take the risk could still bid for him.

Very high probability Paul George will be moved to a new team before July 7th when teams can start signing free agents. Once free agency starts teams will be signing free agents and losing flexibility with their roster as far as cap space. Also teams will be filling out their rosters.

There is no way Indy is going to wait until training camp. Not in their best interest.

LobCityRondo2KG · Post #1669 » by **LobCityRondo2KG** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:38 pm

But if he agrees to an extension that means we have to give up quality talent to Indiana.. crowder, Bradley, and smart are three great pieces for Indiana.. along with picks and I don't see the need for us to give them a likely lottery pick

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Post #1670 » by **Froob** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:39 pm

Hayward was never that good anyways, if he signs with Miami.

Green_teamer · Post #1671 » by **Green_teamer** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:39 pm

chrisab123 wrote:I'd give the Lakers pick for PG13 if he commits. Would be crazy not to. The more time passes the further I think it works against the C's.

It's our trump card. We try to make the best deal without it and if someone has something that beats our deal we can always add that to trump any potential deal out there. Hopefully we don't have to use it though

Post #1672 » by **Froob** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:39 pm

LobCityRondo2KG wrote:But if he agrees to an extension that means we have to give up quality talent to Indiana.. crowder, Bradley, and smart are three great pieces for Indiana.. along with picks and I don't see the need for us to give them a likely lottery pick

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Why would it? All that matters is who we are bidding against because he is not re-signing in Indy. We aren't going to just give extra pieces to Indy just to be nice.

LobCityRondo2KG · Post #1673 » by **LobCityRondo2KG** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:39 pm

Or add protections to that laker and sac pick.. if it's 2-3 next year we keep it.. if if defers then we keep the sac pick if it's 2-5.. then it becomes like a future unprotected Boston pick

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CelticsLV · Post #1674 » by **CelticsLV** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:40 pm

The Rondo Show wrote:
mzepol wrote:Why do I get the feeling that we will be surprised George is suddenly traded by IND to another team as the Hayward thing is taking too long?
Because fans are a lot more impatient than teams. I don't think that's a rational fear though. IND is going to pass up a chance to get a deal they like more when they already waited past the draft because they don't want to wait 1 more week? Not buying that even slightly. If there was a deadline, it was at the draft (so they could pick their own players and not have to accept who other teams valued most at those draft slots) and they already waited past that. If a deal for George happens now, think it's a sign either Lakers panicked and offered Ball or Ingram, or the Celtics talks were never really very close to begin with. I'd be shocked if IND blew up a deal they liked most because they don't feel like waiting an extra week, though.

And they might not take the best deal. Did you see the report by Bulpett about Celtics not willing to give top draft assets? As i said it yesterday, Pacers are most likely stubbornly asking for one of Tatum/Brown/Bk18. And i think they will take a lesser offer from other team for George because Ainge will not blink, he never does. Can't blame Pacers, they are gambling and maybe they'll win.

It's a **** GM who just looks at all the offers and takes what he thinks is the best one. In this George situations it is best to gamble and asking for something more valuable from asset rich team like Boston is wise.

Post #1675 » by **165bows** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:40 pm

CrowderKeg wrote:I meant Lowe didn't describe their friendship in detail and why George would possibly want to play with Hayward. The Deseret News article gives it more substance and background.

A little more ammo to the conspiracy theory that the LA train is over-hyped and a possible smoke screen.

chrisab123 · Post #1676 » by **chrisab123** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:40 pm

amory87 wrote:
chrisab123 wrote:
Banks2Pierce wrote:
On that front, I do think it's funny that people are writing Miami off because of Hayward being a gamer and allegedly an introverted family man that is not interested in nightlife. Maybe he is only that way because he's been in Utah for 7 years. I don't know about where he bought his house in San Diego and what, if anything, that implies. Even meeting with Miami considering their blah team situation says at least a little something.

This is why I'm shocked people are understating the threat they bring to the table. Right now I put Utah in the drivers seat barely. Then Boston then Miami. But I believe Miami will be the winners at the end. Never underestimate Riles.

If he goes to Miami he ain't the dude I thought he was.

Wasting your prime playing for a borderline playoff team for the same money you could get to play for a contender? So you can enjoy the night life? Psh.

I think he's meeting with Miami as a courtesy.

His agent is tight with Riley too. All I'm saying is if he was doing pity meetings he'd go to the Mavericks or Chicago or NYK or somewhere. Specific reason why he's taking a meeting with the Heat.

amory87 · Post #1677 » by **amory87** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:45 pm

CelticsLV wrote:
The Rondo Show wrote:
mzepol wrote:Why do I get the feeling that we will be surprised George is suddenly traded by IND to another team as the Hayward thing is taking too long?
Because fans are a lot more impatient than teams. I don't think that's a rational fear though. IND is going to pass up a chance to get a deal they like more when they already waited past the draft because they don't want to wait 1 more week? Not buying that even slightly. If there was a deadline, it was at the draft (so they could pick their own players and not have to accept who other teams valued most at those draft slots) and they already waited past that. If a deal for George happens now, think it's a sign either Lakers panicked and offered Ball or Ingram, or the Celtics talks were never really very close to begin with. I'd be shocked if IND blew up a deal they liked most because they don't feel like waiting an extra week, though.

And they might not take the best deal. Did you see the report by Bulpett about Celtics not willing to give top draft assets? As i said it yesterday, Pacers are most likely stubbornly asking for one of Tatum/Brown/Bk18. And i think they will take a lesser offer from other team for George because Ainge will not blink, he never does. Can't blame Pacers, they are gambling and maybe they'll win.

I think the 18 Lakers pick is in the deal already, but if it's not and we lose out on George because Danny refuses to give up that pick, I'm going to be furious.

The narrative was "oh we would've taken Josh Jackson or Tatum at #1 anyway". Ok so now you can get your guy and Paul George. Do that.

Green_teamer · Post #1678 » by **Green_teamer** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:46 pm

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Post #1679 » by **Froob** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:46 pm

Should be a fun couple of days, how long before the first "**** it, if he can't make up his mind let's just move on?" Give it two hours after the meeting? Maybe 90 mins?

brackdan70 · Post #1680 » by **brackdan70** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:46 pm

It seems like the Best deal Houston could scrape together would be Gordon and Cappella along with some collection of future picks.
Capella is an excellent player and has a lot of value IMO, but trading him away would not make sense IMO.

Crowder Bradley and the Laker pick is a better package. If laker pick not included then IDK