Official Melo Trade Thread: WOJ BOMB UPDATE PG 21: Will Waive NTC for HOU and CLE

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Yo im dead lmaooo

We talkin bout giving up picks for Masai, f*ck that, trade those picks to the Blazers for their twitter guy

[Sark]

Rockets aren't allowed to shoot long 2s nor post up. Not sure that's a great team for Melo.

[Dkillanyk4lyf]

Knicks back to their bitach ass media policy fml.

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[Mecca]

I'm sorry but why is it such a big deal that Melo never won?

T-Mac, Vince, Barkley, Paul, etc. never won. Was Melo ever a top 5 player for an extended period? I say no, so you can't really fault him for never winning. A lot of it is based on dependent variables around you.

[Billy Goat]

I'm sorry but why is it such a big deal that Melo never won?

T-Mac, Vince, Barkley, Paul, etc. never won. Was Melo ever a top 5 player for an extended period? I say no, so you can't really fault him for never winning. A lot of it is based on dependent variables around you.

There's a difference between faulting someone and realizing he can't be your top paid player and expect to win. Melo's built a career off of the belief that PPG correlates to winning, when there's zero correlation.

[Mecca]

I'm sorry but why is it such a big deal that Melo never won?

T-Mac, Vince, Barkley, Paul, etc. never won. Was Melo ever a top 5 player for an extended period? I say no, so you can't really fault him for never winning. A lot of it is based on dependent variables around you.

There's a difference between faulting someone and realizing he can't be your top paid player and expect to win. Melo's built a career off of the belief that PPG correlates to winning, when there's zero correlation.

I mean everything is dependent on what you have around you. I always believed that prime-Melo needed to be a 1B option on a championship team. Someone at his level, but does everything he doesn't do.

[god shammgod]

I'm sorry but why is it such a big deal that Melo never won?

T-Mac, Vince, Barkley, Paul, etc. never won. Was Melo ever a top 5 player for an extended period? I say no, so you can't really fault him for never winning. A lot of it is based on dependent variables around you.

for melo to be successful he needed to be part of a group like pierce was. we thought we were gonna do that here. we never did for various reasons. amare being worthless after a year, jumping on tyson instead of waiting for paul, other various stupidities. it is what it is. it didn't work. it's too late now. oh well.

[thebuzzardman]

I'm sorry but why is it such a big deal that Melo never won?

T-Mac, Vince, Barkley, Paul, etc. never won. Was Melo ever a top 5 player for an extended period? I say no, so you can't really fault him for never winning. A lot of it is based on dependent variables around you.

Barkley never won but retains interest because of his freak rebounding at (generously 6'4") and ball handling for a large guy. Plus he could play D. TMac had that all around game (passing, driving, shooting), Vince Carter - dunks.

Melo's game is sort of boring (to the common fan), he was never a great rebounder (ok rebounder) and his defense was never good and then it got awful.

There won't be much fond talk about Melo when his career is done. It's like "Remember the time Bobby Bonilla..." Ha! Ok, he's better than that but you get the point.

[Sark]

For Melo to have been successful, he needed to play defense. The iso ball hog thing could be worked around. Example: Kobe. The difference is that Kobe was an all time great defender.

Same went for Barkley. He was probably the greatest offensive power forward, and a top 5 rebounder all time. He just never played defense. It's probably the hardest flaw to cover for.

[Kurt Rambis]

Knicks back to their bitach ass media policy fml.

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I'm glad for it.

[Mecca]

I'm sorry but why is it such a big deal that Melo never won?

T-Mac, Vince, Barkley, Paul, etc. never won. Was Melo ever a top 5 player for an extended period? I say no, so you can't really fault him for never winning. A lot of it is based on dependent variables around you.

for melo to be successful he needed to be part of a group like pierce was. we thought we were gonna do that here. we never did for various reasons. amare being worthless after a year, jumping on tyson instead of waiting for paul, other various stupidities. it is what it is. it didn't work. it's too late now. oh well.

Nail on Head.

[F N 11]

I was wrong Frank do have a sore knee! Fawk

[HEZI]

For Melo to have been successful, he needed to play defense. The iso ball hog thing could be worked around. Example: Kobe. The difference is that Kobe was an all time great defender.

Same went for Barkley. He was probably the greatest offensive power forward, and a top 5 rebounder all time. He just never played defense. It's probably the hardest flaw to cover for.

It wasn't even that he plays Iso ball as much as it is how slow he plays. The difference between him and most of those other guys is that even when they play Iso ball, they are not stalling the offense. Melo peaked in Denver. Once he put on all that weight he slowed down significantly and lost his quickness and explosiveness. He began playing like an old man in his mid to late 20's. He doesn't cut, he doesn't get out in transition, he doesn't make quick decisions with the ball, all he wants to do is catch it in the mid post and milk the shot clock while the rest of his teammates stand and watch. On top of that he hates to pass. That's the biggest issue with him.

[Kurt Rambis]

For Melo to have been successful, he needed to play defense. The iso ball hog thing could be worked around. Example: Kobe. The difference is that Kobe was an all time great defender.

Same went for Barkley. He was probably the greatest offensive power forward, and a top 5 rebounder all time. He just never played defense. It's probably the hardest flaw to cover for.

It wasn't even that he plays Iso ball as much as it is how slow he plays. The difference between him and most of those other guys is that even when they play Iso ball, they are not stalling the offense. Melo peaked in Denver. Once he put on all that weight he slowed down significantly and lost his quickness and explosiveness. He began playing like an old man in his mid to late 20's. He doesn't cut, he doesn't get out in transition, he doesn't make quick decisions with the ball, all he wants to do is catch it in the mid post and milk the shot clock while the rest of his teammates stand and watch. On top of that he hates to pass. That's the biggest issue with him.

Al Jefferson of Small Forwards.

[Billy Goat]

For Melo to have been successful, he needed to play defense. The iso ball hog thing could be worked around. Example: Kobe. The difference is that Kobe was an all time great defender.

Same went for Barkley. He was probably the greatest offensive power forward, and a top 5 rebounder all time. He just never played defense. It's probably the hardest flaw to cover for.

It wasn't even that he plays Iso ball as much as it is how slow he plays. The difference between him and most of those other guys is that even when they play Iso ball, they are not stalling the offense. Melo peaked in Denver. Once he put on all that weight he slowed down significantly and lost his quickness and explosiveness. He began playing like an old man in his mid to late 20's. He doesn't cut, he doesn't get out in transition, he doesn't make quick decisions with the ball, all he wants to do is catch it in the mid post and milk the shot clock while the rest of his teammates stand and watch. On top of that he hates to pass. That's the biggest issue with him.

Al Jefferson of Small Forwards.

Al Harrington with a national championship

[Sark]

Hahn just said on the radio that the ntc was non negotiable. Melo qualified for it, and it had to be in.

[Capn'O]

we're starting early huh

No choice. The offseason is nearly upon us.

the offseason was upon us after the finals. i know what you mean tho. free agency.

surely worth talking about.

i don't know if horny's fate is set. depends on the new prez. there aren't exactly better options floating around and horny has shown what he can do unbridled with a pack of young wolves. so long as the new prez doesn't come in with a new desired coach, horny should have a prime opportunity right now.

Unless everyone hates him, I would think that he would get a fair shake. It was pretty clear that Phil's meddling with his staff and style impacted his abilities to coach.

[Rotten Apple]

I'm sorry but why is it such a big deal that Melo never won?

T-Mac, Vince, Barkley, Paul, etc. never won. Was Melo ever a top 5 player for an extended period? I say no, so you can't really fault him for never winning. A lot of it is based on dependent variables around you.

There's a difference between faulting someone and realizing he can't be your top paid player and expect to win. Melo's built a career off of the belief that PPG correlates to winning, when there's zero correlation.

The team who scores the most points wins.

That's the only stat with 100% correlation.

[shtolky]

For everyone going nuts over the rumored Clippers deal for Rivers etc, Begley says it did involve a first rounder:

Given all the parameters at play, Melo to Houston seems like a long shot. It’s worth noting that, had Paul stayed with the Clippers, the Knicks and Clippers had discussed a trade involving Anthony for a package that included Austin Rivers, Jamal Crawford and a future first-round pick, league sources told ESPN.

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For everyone going nuts over the rumored Clippers deal for Rivers etc, Begley says it did involve a first rounder:

Given all the parameters at play, Melo to Houston seems like a long shot. It’s worth noting that, had Paul stayed with the Clippers, the Knicks and Clippers had discussed a trade involving Anthony for a package that included Austin Rivers, Jamal Crawford and a future first-round pick, league sources told ESPN.

yup