PG Part II: The Summer of George

[OFWGKTA]

If I don't make the thread, somebody include this in the OP

Beautiful.

I was worried I was gonna have to pull out "George, George, George of the Jungle: Watch out for that Three!" That would have been humiliating.

I not so secretly like your idea as well!

Also in on the George of the jungle one

[chrisab123]

I'm thinking in the next 48 hours we'll see on ESPN the breaking news thing that George is traded to the Rockets/Cavs. When these types of reports come out that another team is being unreasonable it's never a good sign. It's more of the spin process to explain to a rabid fan base that once again we tried to make a trade but the prices were too high. I think Danny doesn't want to give up Jae and Bradley personally.

[Afam]

Haven't seen this mentioned yet but haven't gone thru every page so I apologize if it has been. Mark Murphy of the Herald says that the Lakers pick is off the table as of now as well as the Nets '18 pick.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2017/06/celtics_notebook_isaiah_thomas_gives_recruiting_a_try

Ainge trying to get him with a low ball offer comparable to all of these other really bad offers IND is getting, seems like. I hope he puts it in play if push comes to shove, but hoping he can get it done without it and using our lesser assets we won't miss much (BOS '18/LAC '19/MEM '19, Yabusele, Rozier or Smart) in addition to Bradley/Crowder that are needed to match salary. Bradley/Crowder/LAL '18 doesn't feel like an overpay, but if you look at the rumored offers and rumored teams' in the mix assets, it would be as of now.

Ya Bulpett had a similar article yesterday morning. If we can get him without a Brooklyn pick or the lakers pick we could have something special..

Our best offer without one of those picks would be

Bradley
Crowder
Smart
Boston 18
Clippers 19
Memphis 19

If we get it done for less even better

My thinking is that IND isn't going to want Bradley and Crowder they are going to have to be spun off for draft picks and to teams with cap space. I have no problem including the LAL '18 pick if George signs an extension. Frankly that type of pick is what will separate Boston's offer from everyone else. I have a sense that Ainge values Smart more than we understand, he probably also feels that way about Bradley so this is going to be a challenge.

The problem is not the lakers pick, it is including the Lakers pick in addition to 2018 Nets pick, and Jayson Tatum. That is beyond ridiculous. I want Paul George on the Boston Celtics but if that is the asking price heck no. The Celtics are not going to acquire Paul George then.

[gman5589]

As I've now said a million times in this thread:

1. Nobody in the league values Bradley/Crowder as big assets, especially for a star deal, as BOS management would. Period. Bradley/Crowder are be young prospects.

2. Too many assets = teams wanting an unreasonable haul from Danny.

3. Danny has historically fleeced teams in the past to become lopsided in his favor. Teams don't want to deal with that anymore.

4. If the C's only big assets (BKN 18, LAL/SAC 18) aren't offered, Pritchard will settle for another contender willing to part with multiple 1sts in 2019, 2010, etc. and beyond, including a young prospect.

[Banks2Pierce]

Is Murphy considered a reliable source?

Since nobody took the time to answer your question, here you go. Not particular. Solid writing, no news breaker.

RealGM appeareantly thinks he's legitament

He's legit and there's a 99% chance that his sourcing is coming directly from the Celtics.

[Slartibartfast]

If I don't make the thread, somebody include this in the OP

Beautiful.

I was worried I was gonna have to pull out "George, George, George of the Jungle: Watch out for that Three!" That would have been humiliating.

I not so secretly like your idea as well!

You're talking to the creator of Where Ainges Fear to Trade.

I eat lighting and crap punder.

[SparringPartner]

Read on Twitter

[truth18]

Beautiful.

I was worried I was gonna have to pull out "George, George, George of the Jungle: Watch out for that Three!" That would have been humiliating.

I not so secretly like your idea as well!

Also in on the George of the jungle one

It's trash, guys.

[BRUNiNHO91]

I've been telling you guys for about a year now.. it can be a smaller star like Butler or a slightly higher star such as George or the top notch stars like Anthony Davis..the asking price for any of them is the same for us, always starting with both BKN picks and Brown and now obviously they want the LA pick we got also. Absolutely outrageous..and then the **** nerds around realgm say Ainge doesn't do anything..ofc not..these are absurd trade values. Hell anything more than Crowder OR Smart, Rozier and Bradley with the Memphis pick and maybe one other non LA or Bkn pick is absolutely a massive overpay in itself. Seriously **** these GM's man.

[OFWGKTA]

I not so secretly like your idea as well!

Also in on the George of the jungle one

It's trash, guys.

Nah dude it's perfectly ridiculous

[truth18]

Beautiful.

I was worried I was gonna have to pull out "George, George, George of the Jungle: Watch out for that Three!" That would have been humiliating.

I not so secretly like your idea as well!

You're talking to the creator of Where Ainges Fear to Trade.

I eat lighting and crap punder.

Meh, Where Ainges Fear to Trade was an all time great thread title.

George of the Jungle is...something.

[Green_teamer]

Ya Bulpett had a similar article yesterday morning. If we can get him without a Brooklyn pick or the lakers pick we could have something special..

Our best offer without one of those picks would be

Bradley
Crowder
Smart
Boston 18
Clippers 19
Memphis 19

If we get it done for less even better

My thinking is that IND isn't going to want Bradley and Crowder they are going to have to be spun off for draft picks and to teams with cap space. I have no problem including the LAL '18 pick if George signs an extension. Frankly that type of pick is what will separate Boston's offer from everyone else. I have a sense that Ainge values Smart more than we understand, he probably also feels that way about Bradley so this is going to be a challenge.

The problem is not the lakers pick, it is including the Lakers pick in addition to 2018 Nets pick, and Jayson Tatum. That is beyond ridiculous. I want Paul George on the Boston Celtics but if that is the asking price heck no. The Celtics are not going to acquire Paul George then.

I'm not trying to be rude but can we read the article before we spew misinformation? They asked for the lakers and Nets 2018. Not tatum.

[SparringPartner]

As I've now said a million times in this thread:

1. Nobody in the league values Bradley/Crowder as big assets, especially for a star deal, as BOS management would. Period.

2. Too many assets = teams wanting an unreasonable haul from Danny.

3. If the C's only big assets (BKN 18, LAL/SAC 18) aren't in there, Pritchard will settle for another contender willing to part with multiple 1sts in 2019, 2010, etc. and beyond.

Please give an example of a realistic deal that trumps; Avery, Jae, BOS'18, MEM'19, LAC'19

[Tai]

I think we offered him the biggest deal. If I remember correctly, the hawks weren't willing to give him the 4th year. Correct me though if that's fake too.

Besides, even if I will give you horford, is rasheed really the next biggest fa to sign? Then it's really proving my point.

But then you're probably a typical angry fan, who can't see anything with any level of objectivity to prove or maybe want to believe the fake news in your favor. Denial isn't a bad thing if it helps you sleep better at night.

They weren't willing to pay him a max 5 year deal. The 5th year is what scared them

SO my bad. Should have looked up the details. But before him, it was who? Rasheed at the end of his career or even Shaq doesn't count as big time free agent.

Well the thing with Rasheed was that the Celtics were already a top team and really only had the MLE to offer; it wasn't like Pierce or KG were underpaid and they could pull a Durant to GS.

Even on Horford, the point is he was just last year, and the results have benefited Horford handsomely, and trying to spin that into "well we don't get big FAs, we never do" not only is wrong, but it reminds me of last year when the forum insiders would drop something and certain characters would do is swoop in say "What are you talking about? Celtics NEVER get anyone, you're just making this up for attention". It took no courage, and gave no more real insight than then the supposed optimistic homers. And honestly, you talk about me supposedly being angry (off what I dunno), but how is that mentality bordering on paranoia not coming from some form of anger? "Oh, nothing good ever happens to them...to us...to me." Not trying to make any assumptions, but you get the picture?

I myself can only look at the situations in case-by-case, and reality is that's how it usually works; if your argument is the Celtics have never gotten anyone before, I could better argue that the Celtics getting anyone doesn't necessarily mean anything either. How have the supposedly loved Lakers luck been since Kobe got old and then ultimately retired? Even if Paul George claims he really wants to be there, even he's acknowledging per reports that there are better places to actually compete for a championship right now (including us). It's not like I have to put sugar & spice on where the Celtics actually are as a free agent or even basketball destination, and if all you can say to that is "well uhh we don't get anyone" NOW, you'll always feel you can say that, but that doesn't make you more objective than anyone, or any less in denial.

I mean, if the C's infact get Hayward, does that change your "we don't get anyone" narrative? Or will that be seen as another one off like with Horford?

[Homerclease]

Ya Bulpett had a similar article yesterday morning. If we can get him without a Brooklyn pick or the lakers pick we could have something special..

Our best offer without one of those picks would be

Bradley
Crowder
Smart
Boston 18
Clippers 19
Memphis 19

If we get it done for less even better

My thinking is that IND isn't going to want Bradley and Crowder they are going to have to be spun off for draft picks and to teams with cap space. I have no problem including the LAL '18 pick if George signs an extension. Frankly that type of pick is what will separate Boston's offer from everyone else. I have a sense that Ainge values Smart more than we understand, he probably also feels that way about Bradley so this is going to be a challenge.

The problem is not the lakers pick, it is including the Lakers pick in addition to 2018 Nets pick, and Jayson Tatum. That is beyond ridiculous. I want Paul George on the Boston Celtics but if that is the asking price heck no. The Celtics are not going to acquire Paul George then.

Where are you getting Tatum in the deal?

[Slartibartfast]

I not so secretly like your idea as well!

You're talking to the creator of Where Ainges Fear to Trade.

I eat lighting and crap punder.

Meh, Where Ainges Fear to Trade was an all time great thread title.

George of the Jungle is...something.

The more you question me, the more cringily bad my ideas will become.

[Afam]

The offer is 2018 Lakers pick, and 2018 Nets pick. It is still too much to give up for Paul George.

[Homerclease]

The offer is 2018 Lakers pick, and 2018 Nets pick. It is still too much to give up for Paul George.

We all know this, where did you get the Tatum part from?

[Sven]

There is a 0% chance we give up both picks, there's like a 0.1% chance we give them Tatum.

[gman5589]

As I've now said a million times in this thread:

1. Nobody in the league values Bradley/Crowder as big assets, especially for a star deal, as BOS management would. Period.

2. Too many assets = teams wanting an unreasonable haul from Danny.

3. If the C's only big assets (BKN 18, LAL/SAC 18) aren't in there, Pritchard will settle for another contender willing to part with multiple 1sts in 2019, 2010, etc. and beyond.

Please give an example of a realistic deal that trumps; Avery, Jae, BOS'18, MEM'19, LAC'19

Here's how NBA execs view it:

Bradley/Crowder are precisely what you think they are - hard-working ham and eggers that have reached their ceiling.
The NBA agrees.

BOS 18 is a late round pick.

MEM and LAC are mid-rounders; at best.

Trust me, I'm down with the deal. The C's have a massive perception problem all the way around in multiple facets.

DA has historically fleeced teams in the past to become lopsided in his favor. Teams don't want to deal with that anymore