Official: Jimmy Butler, #16 to Minnesota for Lavine, Dunn, #7 - merged/Justin Patton injured

[jnrjr79]

I didn't realize how minor of a tear Lavine had. He played for 6 minutes after it happened.

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Whether he played afterward doesn't really demonstrate that the tear was minor.

[ATRAIN53]

Still not happy about them trading Jimmy. I understand why but it's still lame.

I like getting LaVine in the deal, he's a decent looking player and could develop into something real nice. I'm a fan.
I don't know/seen enough of Dunn yet to make any judgement on him. I like his story.

It's that Markannen pick with #7 that just soured me on this.
There were only 2 guys I really didn't want to end up here in the draft - Markannen and Zach Collins.
Those guys both just screamed Great White NOPE to me, a lot like McDermott did.

I finally figured out who he reminds me of-

Remember when the Raptors drafted Bargnani?
Skinny 7 footer who opted to just chuck up 3's instead of playing in the post.
The difference there is they had Bosh.

Maybe this is what GarPax is thinking - Markannen and Portis to be a Bosh/Bargnani combo.
Those were some decent Raptor teams but they got SMOKED in the playoffs.
Because the playoffs are about taking it inside and doing work - it's not about 7 footers chucking up 3's.

I'm curious why there isn't more chatter about DeAngelo Russell and if we could have swapped Jimmy for him in some deal.
Would Jimmy and #16 have netted him and maybe someone else or some future picks from LA?
I'd have preferred him over Dunn. I wonder if Deng was like NO WAY to Chicago again and we were not taking that Mozgov deal.

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Joe Cowley making trouble!

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[OldSchoolNoBull]

I think the most explosive thing Cowley's said today wasn't in that press conference. He published an article siting a source claiming that Gar really lied to Jimmy about the team's intentions leading up to the trade:

Gar Forman lied to Jimmy Butler in the days leading up to the Chicago Bulls trade of him to the Minnesota Timberwolves and even continued to do so minutes before the deal was completed, according to a source.

“[Forman] knows what he said,’’ the source said. “Flat-out lied. That’s just who he is. Travelle [Gaines] hit it on the head.’’

Butler's trainer Gaines' Tweeted out a message condemning the Bulls' front office after the trade was announced.

“0-82. Worst culture in the league. I met drug dealers with better morals then their GM. He is a liar and everyone knows,’ wrote Gaines.

I know there's not much new substance there, and the source could be anybody, but it's still worth filing away that somebody is claiming in print that Gar lied to Jimmy about this.

Regardless, Jimmy's handling himself very professionally regarding Chicago. If he has any negative feelings towards the organization, he's keeping them private.

[fleet]

I think the most explosive thing Cowley's said today wasn't in that press conference. He published an article siting a source claiming that Gar really lied to Jimmy about the team's intentions leading up to the trade:

Gar Forman lied to Jimmy Butler in the days leading up to the Chicago Bulls trade of him to the Minnesota Timberwolves and even continued to do so minutes before the deal was completed, according to a source.

“[Forman] knows what he said,’’ the source said. “Flat-out lied. That’s just who he is. Travelle [Gaines] hit it on the head.’’

Butler's trainer Gaines' Tweeted out a message condemning the Bulls' front office after the trade was announced.

“0-82. Worst culture in the league. I met drug dealers with better morals then their GM. He is a liar and everyone knows,’ wrote Gaines.

I know there's not much new substance there, and the source could be anybody, but it's still worth filing away that somebody is claiming in print that Gar lied to Jimmy about this.

Regardless, Jimmy's handling himself very professionally regarding Chicago. If he has any negative feelings towards the organization, he's keeping them private.

Gar's track record speaks for itself, as does the Bull's. I can guess who players around the league are listening to. And its always been that way, clearly among the large reasons why the Bulls can't attract A list FAs.

[RedBulls23]

I think the most explosive thing Cowley's said today wasn't in that press conference. He published an article siting a source claiming that Gar really lied to Jimmy about the team's intentions leading up to the trade:

Gar Forman lied to Jimmy Butler in the days leading up to the Chicago Bulls trade of him to the Minnesota Timberwolves and even continued to do so minutes before the deal was completed, according to a source.

“[Forman] knows what he said,’’ the source said. “Flat-out lied. That’s just who he is. Travelle [Gaines] hit it on the head.’’

Butler's trainer Gaines' Tweeted out a message condemning the Bulls' front office after the trade was announced.

“0-82. Worst culture in the league. I met drug dealers with better morals then their GM. He is a liar and everyone knows,’ wrote Gaines.

I know there's not much new substance there, and the source could be anybody, but it's still worth filing away that somebody is claiming in print that Gar lied to Jimmy about this.

Regardless, Jimmy's handling himself very professionally regarding Chicago. If he has any negative feelings towards the organization, he's keeping them private.

Gar's track record speaks for itself, as does the Bull's. I can guess who players around the league are listening to. And its always been that way, clearly among the large reasons why the Bulls can't attract A list FAs.

Random thought, what if Gar had no clue how serious the trade was since it was Paxson that was making the calls? Could explain why he was so silent during the press conference and really Pax has been the one handling all the media appearances. Would make sense why Pax would directly deal with Thibs, since Thibs pretty much hates Gar.

Not that Gar doesn't come off as a snake, but just a thought I had.

[weneeda2guard]

It's why it's hard for me to embrace the tank.

Clearly gar lied to jimmy, the fact jimmy was openly campaigning to stay in chicago and was still recruiting even up until his trade says he was lied to.

And we about to end badly with a 3 time champion clear future hall of fame player in wade.

These things factor in when a free agent is deciding to join your franchise. So guess what happens if we do happen to draft a all star talent? Gar pax will fail to add quality free agents next to him, and wll do another piss poor job of adding to the roster same way it happened with rose, and with jimmy.

Only thing tanking does is prolong the same cycle. 6 years from now we will be in the same boat.

[Jcool0]

It's why it's hard for me to embrace the tank.

Clearly gar lied to jimmy, the fact jimmy was openly campaigning to stay in chicago and was still recruiting even up until his trade says he was lied to.

And we about to end badly with a 3 time champion clear future hall of fame player in wade.

These things factor in when a free agent is deciding to join your franchise. So guess what happens if we do happen to draft a all star talent? Gar pax will fail to add quality free agents next to him, and wll do another piss poor job of adding to the roster same way it happened with rose, and with jimmy.

Only thing tanking does is prolong the same cycle. 6 years from now we will be in the same boat.

You need to get over the free agent pipe dream. It was never going to happen. No matter who the GM was.

[Jeffster81]

Gar's track record speaks for itself, as does the Bull's. I can guess who players around the league are listening to. And its always been that way, clearly among the large reasons why the Bulls can't attract A list FAs.

Gar Forman (and to a lesser degree Reinsdorf) is the reason why FA don't come to Chicago, not some nonsensical reason like the "Weather" (come on, unless NBA players are planning to live the Hobo lifestyle in Chicago, I pretty sure they afford modern luxuries as heaters and warm clothing) or playing in MJ's shadow (most of the players todays could count their ages on one hand when MJ last played). Good to know Gar reputation is less than Walt White around the league.

[fleet]

I think the most explosive thing Cowley's said today wasn't in that press conference. He published an article siting a source claiming that Gar really lied to Jimmy about the team's intentions leading up to the trade:



I know there's not much new substance there, and the source could be anybody, but it's still worth filing away that somebody is claiming in print that Gar lied to Jimmy about this.

Regardless, Jimmy's handling himself very professionally regarding Chicago. If he has any negative feelings towards the organization, he's keeping them private.

Gar's track record speaks for itself, as does the Bull's. I can guess who players around the league are listening to. And its always been that way, clearly among the large reasons why the Bulls can't attract A list FAs.

Random thought, what if Gar had no clue how serious the trade was since it was Paxson that was making the calls? Could explain why he was so silent during the press conference and really Pax has been the one handling all the media appearances. Would make sense why Pax would directly deal with Thibs, since Thibs pretty much hates Gar.

Not that Gar doesn't come off as a snake, but just a thought I had.

I won't preclude the scenario. It would be another reason why Jerry's multi-headed FO monster is absolutely a handicap in the league.

As to whether or not this is plausible, Pax I think, called this accusation unfair. He didn't necessarily deny it.

[RedBulls23]

Gar's track record speaks for itself, as does the Bull's. I can guess who players around the league are listening to. And its always been that way, clearly among the large reasons why the Bulls can't attract A list FAs.

Random thought, what if Gar had no clue how serious the trade was since it was Paxson that was making the calls? Could explain why he was so silent during the press conference and really Pax has been the one handling all the media appearances. Would make sense why Pax would directly deal with Thibs, since Thibs pretty much hates Gar.

Not that Gar doesn't come off as a snake, but just a thought I had.

I won't preclude the scenario. It would be another reason why Jerry's multi-headed FO monster is absolutely a handicap in the league.

As to whether or not this is plausible, Pax I think, called this accusation unfair. He didn't necessarily deny it.

For whatever reason Jerry loves Gar. And Gar and Michael are also close since their wives are on the charitabulls committee together (or they run it together). A lot of times, Jerry does business from the heart, and loyalty to his friends is never ending. That is something we do know as life long Bulls fans.

[weneeda2guard]

It's why it's hard for me to embrace the tank.

Clearly gar lied to jimmy, the fact jimmy was openly campaigning to stay in chicago and was still recruiting even up until his trade says he was lied to.

And we about to end badly with a 3 time champion clear future hall of fame player in wade.

These things factor in when a free agent is deciding to join your franchise. So guess what happens if we do happen to draft a all star talent? Gar pax will fail to add quality free agents next to him, and wll do another piss poor job of adding to the roster same way it happened with rose, and with jimmy.

Only thing tanking does is prolong the same cycle. 6 years from now we will be in the same boat.

You need to get over the free agent pipe dream. It was never going to happen. No matter who the GM was.

Your response only strengthens my point. If free agency is a pipe dream, then drafting the next all star becomes a exercise in futility, because we will not have the ability to build around that player either. If you want a real contender, you have to be able to sign big free agents. And if you can't, then you need to find a front office that can make the pipe dream a reality. Because if it remains a pipe dream, then as I posted 6 years from now, we will be in the same boat, a lone star, with a front office that will do a poor job of building around him.

[Mech Engineer]

I think the most explosive thing Cowley's said today wasn't in that press conference. He published an article siting a source claiming that Gar really lied to Jimmy about the team's intentions leading up to the trade:



I know there's not much new substance there, and the source could be anybody, but it's still worth filing away that somebody is claiming in print that Gar lied to Jimmy about this.

Regardless, Jimmy's handling himself very professionally regarding Chicago. If he has any negative feelings towards the organization, he's keeping them private.

Gar's track record speaks for itself, as does the Bull's. I can guess who players around the league are listening to. And its always been that way, clearly among the large reasons why the Bulls can't attract A list FAs.

Random thought, what if Gar had no clue how serious the trade was since it was Paxson that was making the calls? Could explain why he was so silent during the press conference and really Pax has been the one handling all the media appearances. Would make sense why Pax would directly deal with Thibs, since Thibs pretty much hates Gar.

Not that Gar doesn't come off as a snake, but just a thought I had.

Gar probably had some idea of Jimmy being dealt but it's possible he was semi-involved. Or, he just talks the same crap without substance.

However good or bad both are....Gar does the dirty work. He might tell Jimmy that he is not being traded and tell the opposite next minute even though everyone is involved in the decision.

No wonder they don't fire him.....he takes the abuse for the management group.

[3noD]

I think the most explosive thing Cowley's said today wasn't in that press conference. He published an article siting a source claiming that Gar really lied to Jimmy about the team's intentions leading up to the trade:

Gar Forman lied to Jimmy Butler in the days leading up to the Chicago Bulls trade of him to the Minnesota Timberwolves and even continued to do so minutes before the deal was completed, according to a source.

“[Forman] knows what he said,’’ the source said. “Flat-out lied. That’s just who he is. Travelle [Gaines] hit it on the head.’’

Butler's trainer Gaines' Tweeted out a message condemning the Bulls' front office after the trade was announced.

“0-82. Worst culture in the league. I met drug dealers with better morals then their GM. He is a liar and everyone knows,’ wrote Gaines.

I know there's not much new substance there, and the source could be anybody, but it's still worth filing away that somebody is claiming in print that Gar lied to Jimmy about this.

Regardless, Jimmy's handling himself very professionally regarding Chicago. If he has any negative feelings towards the organization, he's keeping them private.

Cowley lives in the dumpster. I guess that's one tactic to get notoriety. What's fun to hear is when he goes on NBA radio, the national media loves him. When you're good at rolling in the mud, it pays off...

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Damn.

[TankWilson]

Still not happy about them trading Jimmy. I understand why but it's still lame.

I like getting LaVine in the deal, he's a decent looking player and could develop into something real nice. I'm a fan.
I don't know/seen enough of Dunn yet to make any judgement on him. I like his story.

It's that Markannen pick with #7 that just soured me on this.
There were only 2 guys I really didn't want to end up here in the draft - Markannen and Zach Collins.
Those guys both just screamed Great White NOPE to me, a lot like McDermott did.

I finally figured out who he reminds me of-

Remember when the Raptors drafted Bargnani?
Skinny 7 footer who opted to just chuck up 3's instead of playing in the post.
The difference there is they had Bosh.

Maybe this is what GarPax is thinking - Markannen and Portis to be a Bosh/Bargnani combo.
Those were some decent Raptor teams but they got SMOKED in the playoffs.
Because the playoffs are about taking it inside and doing work - it's not about 7 footers chucking up 3's.

I'm curious why there isn't more chatter about DeAngelo Russell and if we could have swapped Jimmy for him in some deal.
Would Jimmy and #16 have netted him and maybe someone else or some future picks from LA?
I'd have preferred him over Dunn. I wonder if Deng was like NO WAY to Chicago again and we were not taking that Mozgov deal.

I'm curious did you happen to scout the pac 12 at all this year or are you just going on here say? I don't mean to pick on just you cause I'm seeing a lot of people saying Lauri this, using his skin color as a detriment, you name it and it's bogus. I for one did watch a hell of a lot of pac 12 basketball this year and Lauri is the real deal. He's a hell of a lot closer to dirk than all these players mentioned to deter his success.

Now I'm not saying he's the next dirk that would be crazy but he's much closer to that than all the white bums that have played in the NBA. You know sometimes white players actually succeed, forget color put the time in to scout player or be quiet until you actually see them play. So many here will eat crow about this guy, just watch!

[bennjuiced34]

It's so hard for me to believe that they'd walk away from a Butler trade over the 16th pick. I'd have played that game of chicken until the 6th pick.

The Wolves were pushing for the deal to be Rubio instead of LaVine. Bulls wouldn't do it, so Wolves said if we include LaVine you have to include 16.

Sounds like Chicago was negotiating from a position of weakness, almost feeling like a deal had to be done. Allowed Minnesota to stay firm on its demands.

Our guys have reported that original deal as well. Then LaVine for #16.

Bulls were no doubt in a position of weakness. Butler's market wasn't good. In fact, it was almost nil. Which surprised most of us.

Would also explain why Paxson thought a deal needed to be done. If he wasn't getting market value now, why would that change in the future?

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[NDave79]

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I found this to be interesting. While Scottie seems to have some position with the Bulls, I have a hard time envisioning him just straight up lying.

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Damn.

Bulls are screwing themselves with how they behave. And I don't mean by trading Jimmy, but by how they do things.

If they lied to him up to the last minute, then it doesn't matter if he says the right things in public, he's going to tell all his star buddies, that he now rubs shoulders with around the league that the Bulls FO are snakes.

And Wade will probably be backing that up, despite taking their money.

Which just means more pile on against the Bulls reputation as a good and trustable place to play.

They might think it doesn't matter anyway since they are rebuilding and expect to suck for a while (yay), but these kind of perceptions can linger for a long time as we saw with players feelings toward how the Bulls ended the dynasty, even a decade past it happened.

[RedBulls23]

It's so hard for me to believe that they'd walk away from a Butler trade over the 16th pick. I'd have played that game of chicken until the 6th pick.

The Wolves were pushing for the deal to be Rubio instead of LaVine. Bulls wouldn't do it, so Wolves said if we include LaVine you have to include 16.

Sounds like Chicago was negotiating from a position of weakness, almost feeling like a deal had to be done. Allowed Minnesota to stay firm on its demands.

Our guys have reported that original deal as well. Then LaVine for #16.

Bulls were no doubt in a position of weakness. Butler's market wasn't good. In fact, it was almost nil. Which surprised most of us.

Would also explain why Paxson thought a deal needed to be done. If he wasn't getting market value now, why would that change in the future?

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Or maybe they just have a poor negotiating tactic.

Last years deadline trade they ended up having to move more 2nd rounder(s?) for Cameron fricking Payne.

idk...maybe Butler's market value wasn't high, but at the same time the FO certainly doesn't have the best tract record either in making good trades.