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Re: Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2 

Post#1421 » by JMac1 » Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:39 pm

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:Pick a random page in this thread and you will see endless debate on it.

I would say most are against Milsap and a couple people like the idea. Kind of depends on the years and money.


The Millsap talk lost a lot of steam once the Blake rumor surfaced though lol but with Blake being who he is, our chances of landing someone like Millsap over him would be more probable. We got shined on once with JJ in the draft hopefully again with Blake :pray:


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Re: Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2 

Post#1422 » by matt131 » Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:55 pm

I hate Bill Simmons kind of but he and House covered Blake on the Suns on a podcast today. They basically said that Blake to the Suns is his "favorite" landing spot in the sense that it would be entertaining. House thinks it wouldn't work because of injuries. Bill is a optimistic of our training staff.

They both agree he should now play as a facilitator. They like the idea of him facilitating to our young guys. Bill calls him a high ceiling, low basement free agent (so basically a big risk that might be worth it). Said it's similar to stoudemire in 2010.

They actually said the 4 year contract is fairly safe.

They both love Booker.

Bill went on some homer tirade about the Celtics organization being the best in the effing world. (Salty about Josh Jackson not going to Celtics)

Bill also said that the Heat are another good option. But bottom line he thinks he can still play.

No new news I guess,just sitting here listening to the pod and thought I'd share.

Says it's worth it and would be a fun team.

House thinks Miami is the safest bet.


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Re: Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2 

Post#1423 » by MrMiyagi » Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:58 pm

Kjdills13 wrote:
ChrisInAZ wrote:
Kjdills13 wrote:Suns- Irving
Pacers- warren, Bender, cavs pick , something else
Cavs- Bledsoe , George

Everyone is happy


I'm pissed


Just to be clear

27 year old pg who has never made an all star game

1st round draft pick who was the 2nd best draft pick that year ( Chriss is better) IMO

And a scoring SF who plays no defense, when we just drafted a SF if the future. So a 6th man

For
A 25 year old 4 time all star....

NO BRAINER

Makes sense, because it's a brainless suggestion.

If we're giving up Warren and Bender, I'd rather have PG13 coming back our way.
SHAZAM!

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Re: Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2 

Post#1424 » by bwgood77 » Sat Jul 1, 2017 12:04 am

matt131 wrote:I hate Bill Simmons kind of but he and House covered Blake on the Suns on a podcast today. They basically said that Blake to the Suns is his "favorite" landing spot in the sense that it would be entertaining. House thinks it wouldn't work because of injuries. Bill is a optimistic of our training staff.

They both agree he should now play as a facilitator. They like the idea of him facilitating to our young guys. Bill calls him a high ceiling, low basement free agent (so basically a big risk that might be worth it). Said it's similar to stoudemire in 2010.

They actually said the 4 year contract is fairly safe.

They both love Booker.

Bill went on some homer tirade about the Celtics organization being the best in the effing world. (Salty about Josh Jackson not going to Celtics)

Bill also said that the Heat are another good option. But bottom line he thinks he can still play.

No new news I guess,just sitting here listening to the pod and thought I'd share.

Says it's worth it and would be a fun team.

House thinks Miami is the safest bet.

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I'll have to listen. Bill, as a Clippers season ticket holder wrote a column today about how to save the Clippers and his first things was...
1. Let Blake Griffin leave.
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Again, I’m just trusting NBA history here. I think it was the great Red Auerbach who first came up with this rule: If you throw the name of any 28-and-over All-Star forward or center into Google searches with the following words …
“Broken”
“Torn”
“Walking Boot”
“Arthroscopic”
“Second surgery”
“Under the knife”
“Limping”
“Tendinitis”
… and you get results for half of the searches, you should be concerned. If you’re getting results for EVERY search? RUN FOR THE HILLS.


I believe Blake Griffin remains one of the league’s most fascinating talents, but I can’t imagine him staying healthy for two years, much less four. Too many injuries, too much damage. You could see the effects of those hospital trips last year, when Blake started going under and around bigger players instead of over and through them. We went from Lob City to Duck City.

In 2010, Phoenix faced a similar dilemma with a star forward in his late 20s who brought similar physical risks. They blinked and let Amar’e Stoudemire sign with New York for $100 million. He played fantastically for 50 games, then his knees broke down and that was that. I hope that doesn’t happen to Blake, but it’s more likely than unlikely. You can’t risk $130 million for four years, or $175 million for five years, on someone who probably can’t stay healthy.


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It's funny, he always has this enjoyment or interest in watching the Suns. I know he likes Blake as a player but doesn't think they should keep him. It is exactly like Amare in 2010. I've even mentioned at times that knowing what happened the following 4 years, I would have probably kept Amare to prolong the Nash/Amare Suns for 2-3 more years, but most have argued against that.

What's interesting though, is that people seem to really want Blake now after that.

There is no doubt about it though, if healthy, the Suns with Blake Griffin on it would be fun. We'd likely see a lot less of Chriss and Bender but plenty of people don't want to see much of them anyway. I'm definitely higher on their futures than most and really want to see them on the court.

But if he does sign and is injured a ton, we will get to see more of them.
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Re: Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2 

Post#1425 » by Phystic » Sat Jul 1, 2017 12:26 am

I don't get why Milsap would even want to sign here. He's on the downside of his career, why wouldn't he want to be in the playoffs playing for something meaningful? I mean there are more competitive teams out there that can offer him similar money, no?

As for Blake, I can see the appeal in going after him, but I just don't see how he fits our team. And I've always felt he's a Dbag
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Re: Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2 

Post#1426 » by Kjdills13 » Sat Jul 1, 2017 12:27 am

MrMiyagi wrote:
Kjdills13 wrote:
ChrisInAZ wrote:
I'm pissed


Just to be clear

27 year old pg who has never made an all star game

1st round draft pick who was the 2nd best draft pick that year ( Chriss is better) IMO

And a scoring SF who plays no defense, when we just drafted a SF if the future. So a 6th man

For
A 25 year old 4 time all star....

NO BRAINER

Makes sense, because it's a brainless suggestion.

If we're giving up Warren and Bender, I'd rather have PG13 coming back our way.


Hahahahahahhaha

Pg13 over kyrie ...... based on age and the suns roster you have to be joking......

This is just like the James harden conversation last year when 3/4 the people on the forum told me we didn't want him and wasn't a top 5 pollster at his position....

Name 5 pg better than kyrie that are 27 and under kyrie is 25

Better yet name 10 players 25 and younger better than him
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Re: Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2 

Post#1427 » by WeekapaugGroove » Sat Jul 1, 2017 12:45 am

Anyone else feel like the suns will get close with blake but he will ultimately choose Miami? It would be such a suns thing to not get their guy and simultaneous hurt the draft pick they are getting from the heat.

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Re: Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2 

Post#1428 » by SkinnyOMiller » Sat Jul 1, 2017 12:47 am

Kjdills13 wrote:
MrMiyagi wrote:
Kjdills13 wrote:
Just to be clear

27 year old pg who has never made an all star game

1st round draft pick who was the 2nd best draft pick that year ( Chriss is better) IMO

And a scoring SF who plays no defense, when we just drafted a SF if the future. So a 6th man

For
A 25 year old 4 time all star....

NO BRAINER

Makes sense, because it's a brainless suggestion.

If we're giving up Warren and Bender, I'd rather have PG13 coming back our way.


Hahahahahahhaha

Pg13 over kyrie ...... based on age and the suns roster you have to be joking......

This is just like the James harden conversation last year when 3/4 the people on the forum told me we didn't want him and wasn't a top 5 pollster at his position....

Name 5 pg better than kyrie that are 27 and under kyrie is 25

Better yet name 10 players 25 and younger better than him





I still don't want James Harden. He's a great regular season player that chokes in the playoffs and has done so going back to his days at ASU. Irving is another ball-dominant chucker that doesn't give you anything on the defensive end. Short of having an all-time great like LeBron on the same roster, you're not winning anything with either guy.


I'd happily take Paul George over Irving.
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Re: Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2 

Post#1429 » by bwgood77 » Sat Jul 1, 2017 12:53 am

WeekapaugGroove wrote:Anyone else feel like the suns will get close with blake but he will ultimately choose Miami? It would be such a suns thing to not get their guy and simultaneous hurt the draft pick they are getting from the heat.

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I thought of that earlier. I think either the Suns sign him if he is serious or he just gets the max from the Clips.
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Re: Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2 

Post#1430 » by thamadkant » Sat Jul 1, 2017 12:55 am

SkinnyOMiller wrote:
Kjdills13 wrote:
MrMiyagi wrote:Makes sense, because it's a brainless suggestion.

If we're giving up Warren and Bender, I'd rather have PG13 coming back our way.


Hahahahahahhaha

Pg13 over kyrie ...... based on age and the suns roster you have to be joking......

This is just like the James harden conversation last year when 3/4 the people on the forum told me we didn't want him and wasn't a top 5 pollster at his position....

Name 5 pg better than kyrie that are 27 and under kyrie is 25

Better yet name 10 players 25 and younger better than him





I still don't want James Harden. He's a great regular season player that chokes in the playoffs and has done so going back to his days at ASU. Irving is another ball-dominant chucker that doesn't give you anything on the defensive end. Short of having an all-time great like LeBron on the same roster, you're not winning anything with either guy.


I'd happily take Paul George over Irving.



So picky.

Harden is heads and shoulders better than anyone on the Suns.

Him chocking?? More like defenses focused on him and since he didnt have another star to help... He struggled.


I dont understand why some suns fans are so so picky and bagging other stars in the NBA and saying they are thugs, selfish etc... When almost all stars have issues...

So basically some Suns fans here wants a prime Grant Hill or Kawhi Leonard.. Since both are great people as well as players...


So picky lol when the team sucks.
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Post#1431 » by thamadkant » Sat Jul 1, 2017 12:57 am

Mind you Booker has been shown to act douchey on the court with his antics... Chriss too...

Yet some of us here overlook that and pick on other stars... Well Harden can act diva ish all he wants as long as he gives you 30ppg 10apg a game Im fine with that lol
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Re: Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2 

Post#1432 » by SkinnyOMiller » Sat Jul 1, 2017 12:58 am

1UPZ wrote:
SkinnyOMiller wrote:
Kjdills13 wrote:
Hahahahahahhaha

Pg13 over kyrie ...... based on age and the suns roster you have to be joking......

This is just like the James harden conversation last year when 3/4 the people on the forum told me we didn't want him and wasn't a top 5 pollster at his position....

Name 5 pg better than kyrie that are 27 and under kyrie is 25

Better yet name 10 players 25 and younger better than him





I still don't want James Harden. He's a great regular season player that chokes in the playoffs and has done so going back to his days at ASU. Irving is another ball-dominant chucker that doesn't give you anything on the defensive end. Short of having an all-time great like LeBron on the same roster, you're not winning anything with either guy.


I'd happily take Paul George over Irving.



So picky.

Harden is heads and shoulders better than anyone on the Suns.

Him chocking?? More like defenses focused on him and since he didnt have another star to help... He struggled.

.




You might actually have a point if he hadn't struggled terribly in the NBA Finals while with Oklahoma and struggled in virtually every single elimination game he's ever played in. When the moment is at its biggest, Harden becomes the Invisible Man.



In anycase, neither Harden nor Irving are available, and I am thankful for that, so let us move on.
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Re: Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2 

Post#1433 » by thamadkant » Sat Jul 1, 2017 1:00 am

Harden was in his 3rd year.

And Heat had the leagues best perimeter defense with Wade, Chalmers, Coles and James with their blitz style full court press....


Bledsoe and Booker would be lucky to shoot 25% against that defense.... You needed a system like the spurs to get open shots to beat it.
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Re: Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2 

Post#1434 » by thamadkant » Sat Jul 1, 2017 1:03 am

Bottomline...

Suns have been bottom 3 team outwest for 3 years now...


Some of you suns fans cant be picky... Should be happy that any FAs want to join the team.

Or you guys betting your houses that Bender, Chriss and Booker will become all stars and carry the Suns to a championship?


Well for me... Of course I rather suns get another stud from the draft next year but getting Griffin now opens up possibilities of 2018 FAs wanting to come to the Suns...
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Post#1435 » by Puff » Sat Jul 1, 2017 1:16 am

Just some stats on Blake that is pretty interesting

10/11 - 22.5 PPG -1st year with any Stats - I believe he was out the previous with a broken kneecap which would have been his 1st year
11/12 - 20.7 PPG- 2nd team All NBA
12/13- 18.0 PPG - 2nd team All NBA
13/14 - 24.1 PPG - 3rd team All NBA
14/15 - 21.9 PPG - 3rd team All NBA
15/16 - 21.4 PPG - injuries
16/17 - 21.6 PPG - injuries

Just reinforces the fact that if Griffin is healthy he is one of the best players in the NBA. His consistent scoring output is pretty amazing.

He represents just what the doctor ordered if healthy. A consistent All NBA player to help our youngsters build confidence while winning some basketball games.
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Re: Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2 

Post#1436 » by Moochthemonkey » Sat Jul 1, 2017 1:18 am

1UPZ wrote:Mind you Booker has been shown to act douchey on the court with his antics... Chriss too...

Yet some of us here overlook that and pick on other stars... Well Harden can act diva ish all he wants as long as he gives you 30ppg 10apg a game Im fine with that lol



yeah but they're OUR douchebags...and who wants to use another person's douchebag, that's just nasty
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Re: Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2 

Post#1437 » by bwgood77 » Sat Jul 1, 2017 1:18 am

1UPZ wrote:Bottomline...

Suns have been bottom 3 team outwest for 3 years now...


Some of you suns fans cant be picky... Should be happy that any FAs want to join the team.

Or you guys betting your houses that Bender, Chriss and Booker will become all stars and carry the Suns to a championship?


Well for me... Of course I rather suns get another stud from the draft next year but getting Griffin now opens up possibilities of 2018 FAs wanting to come to the Suns...


I think the main thing people look at is us being in the WCF in 2010 and letting Amare walk due to health issues. In the previous two years, he had missed 29 games, but it was due to an eye issue. We let him walk when we were in the WCF.

As you mentioned, we are a bottom team right now. Blake has missed 68 games in the last two years, so that is the biggest issue by far. If you are on the cusp, betting on a guy like that might be worth it. If you are a bottom team, is it worth it? Obviously to many, and to the owner wanting to get the fan base excited it is. Sarver has had a very short term outlook ever since he bought the team.

Of course there is the fact that we drafted two PFs last year and have Dudley as their vet (not that he matters as much) but people on the outside wonder why take two PFs...now we sign another one. Sounds like our past actions regarding point guards.

So as exciting as it is to sign Blake, I can understand those who have hesitations, especially at $30M+ a year and it probably makes it more likely that Bledsoe is given a 30M+ a year contract in a couple years as well. That's a lot of money to invest in players that are big injury risks and I'm not sure how far they take you anyway.
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Re: Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2 

Post#1438 » by thamadkant » Sat Jul 1, 2017 1:18 am

End of the day... McD had been wanting to trade for a star... Missed out on other star FAs... Then you have Blake Griffin saying Phoenix is one of his desired places to play for and some of you guys are like.."don t want him"...
Im like... Lol
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Post#1439 » by bwgood77 » Sat Jul 1, 2017 1:21 am

Puff wrote:Just some stats on Blake that is pretty interesting

10/11 - 22.5 PPG -1st year with any Stats - I believe he was out the previous with a broken kneecap which would have been his 1st year
11/12 - 20.7 PPG- 2nd team All NBA
12/13- 18.0 PPG - 2nd team All NBA
13/14 - 24.1 PPG - 3rd team All NBA
14/15 - 21.9 PPG - 3rd team All NBA
15/16 - 21.4 PPG - injuries
16/17 - 21.6 PPG - injuries

Just reinforces the fact that if Griffin is healthy he is one of the best players in the NBA. His consistent scoring output is pretty amazing.

He represents just what the doctor ordered if healthy. A consistent All NBA player to help our youngsters build confidence while winning some basketball games.


That downward trend doesn't particularly inspire me.
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Re: Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2 

Post#1440 » by Preacherpj » Sat Jul 1, 2017 1:24 am

Sounds like he cancelled his visit

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