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Fake Trade Thread 16/17 pt.1

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Re: Fake Trade Thread 16/17 pt.1 

Post#1261 » by Bassman » Mon Jul 3, 2017 6:48 pm

LofJ wrote:Denver has a metric ton of jump shooting bigs, we should get one of them.

Edit: I also feel like we should try to get in on a Carmelo trade to Cleveland if their front office is crazy enough to trade Love for him, which I think they might be.


I think Cleveland is in a pickle. Lebron is giving bad vibes, not helping them recruit, not happy with decision making, and Billips pulls out of consideration for GM. I would love to get Love! Very doubtful we could put together any deal that works.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 16/17 pt.1 

Post#1262 » by LofJ » Mon Jul 3, 2017 7:18 pm

Bassman wrote:
LofJ wrote:Denver has a metric ton of jump shooting bigs, we should get one of them.

Edit: I also feel like we should try to get in on a Carmelo trade to Cleveland if their front office is crazy enough to trade Love for him, which I think they might be.


I think Cleveland is in a pickle. Lebron is giving bad vibes, not helping them recruit, not happy with decision making, and Billips pulls out of consideration for GM. I would love to get Love! Very doubtful we could put together any deal that works.


We'd have to involve a third team that has cheap, decent depth pieces they need to unload (like Denver). Buzzcity posted a framework in the T&T board, I think he might have something:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1589024
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 16/17 pt.1 

Post#1263 » by BuzzCity » Mon Jul 3, 2017 8:40 pm

LofJ wrote:
Bassman wrote:
LofJ wrote:Denver has a metric ton of jump shooting bigs, we should get one of them.

Edit: I also feel like we should try to get in on a Carmelo trade to Cleveland if their front office is crazy enough to trade Love for him, which I think they might be.


I think Cleveland is in a pickle. Lebron is giving bad vibes, not helping them recruit, not happy with decision making, and Billips pulls out of consideration for GM. I would love to get Love! Very doubtful we could put together any deal that works.


We'd have to involve a third team that has cheap, decent depth pieces they need to unload like Denver). Buzzcity posted a framework in the T&T board, I think he might have something:

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1589024



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Re: Fake Trade Thread 16/17 pt.1 

Post#1264 » by LofJ » Mon Jul 3, 2017 11:56 pm

BuzzCity wrote:
LofJ wrote:
Bassman wrote:
I think Cleveland is in a pickle. Lebron is giving bad vibes, not helping them recruit, not happy with decision making, and Billips pulls out of consideration for GM. I would love to get Love! Very doubtful we could put together any deal that works.


We'd have to involve a third team that has cheap, decent depth pieces they need to unload like Denver). Buzzcity posted a framework in the T&T board, I think he might have something:

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1589024



I got one Cavs fan to buy in but a couple others aren't loving it


Can you imagine if the trade happened, I think this team would win 60 games.

Kemba/MCW
MKG/Monk
Batum/Graham
Love/Kaminsky
Howard/Zeller
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 16/17 pt.1 

Post#1265 » by BuzzCity » Tue Jul 4, 2017 12:33 am

LofJ wrote:
BuzzCity wrote:
LofJ wrote:
We'd have to involve a third team that has cheap, decent depth pieces they need to unload like Denver). Buzzcity posted a framework in the T&T board, I think he might have something:

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1589024



I got one Cavs fan to buy in but a couple others aren't loving it


Can you imagine if the trade happened, I think this team would win 60 games.

Kemba/MCW
MKG/Monk
Batum/Graham
Love/Kaminsky
Howard/Zeller


Maybe the basketball Gods can come thru for once...
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 16/17 pt.1 

Post#1266 » by yosemiteben » Tue Jul 4, 2017 12:35 am

Totally torpedoes our wing depth though. That's an injury to Batum or MKG away from starting Graham with Monk as our only backup capable of playing either SG or SF.

I don't think Lamb and Marv can go out without bringing a serviceable wing back in.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 16/17 pt.1 

Post#1267 » by HornetJail » Tue Jul 4, 2017 1:22 am

Like I've floated a few times, I'd still prefer to get Bledsoe here instead of Kevin Love. I think it's a better fit, and I think it would cost less.

What looks better?

Kemba/MCW
Batum/Monk
MKG/Graham
Love/Frank
Zeller/Dwight

or

Kemba/[Bledsoe]/MCW
Bledsoe/Monk
Batum/Lamb/Graham
MKG/Frank
Zeller/Dwight
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 16/17 pt.1 

Post#1268 » by Diop » Tue Jul 4, 2017 1:37 am

yosemiteben wrote:Totally torpedoes our wing depth though. That's an injury to Batum or MKG away from starting Graham with Monk as our only backup capable of playing either SG or SF.

I don't think Lamb and Marv can go out without bringing a serviceable wing back in.

sign Hendo to something small, something we could consider anyhow
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 16/17 pt.1 

Post#1269 » by amcoolio » Tue Jul 4, 2017 4:06 am

Honestly I'd rather have Hendo straight up over Lamb.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 16/17 pt.1 

Post#1270 » by BuzzCity » Tue Jul 4, 2017 4:13 am

MotorKeepsGoing wrote:Like I've floated a few times, I'd still prefer to get Bledsoe here instead of Kevin Love. I think it's a better fit, and I think it would cost less.

What looks better?

Kemba/MCW
Batum/Monk
MKG/Graham
Love/Frank
Zeller/Dwight

or

Kemba/[Bledsoe]/MCW
Bledsoe/Monk
Batum/Lamb/Graham
MKG/Frank
Zeller/Dwight


I personally like the first one better...the 2nd one makes us smaller on defense than I'd like to be...however the 2nd one would allow for some fun lineups for sure
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 16/17 pt.1 

Post#1271 » by LofJ » Tue Jul 4, 2017 1:13 pm

Got another variation of a Love trade, with Cleveland, Portland, Phoenix, and us.

CLE in Aminu, Williams, Bledsoe, CHA 2018 1st
CLE out Love, Frye

POR in Frye
POR out Leonard, Aminu, own 2018 1st

PHX in Lamb, Leonard, POR 2018 1st, CHA 2020 1st
PHX out Bledsoe

CHA in Love
CHA out Williams, Lamb, 2018 1st, 2020 1st (protected)

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Re: Fake Trade Thread 16/17 pt.1 

Post#1272 » by Kembastockton » Tue Jul 4, 2017 5:11 pm

BuzzCity wrote:
MotorKeepsGoing wrote:Like I've floated a few times, I'd still prefer to get Bledsoe here instead of Kevin Love. I think it's a better fit, and I think it would cost less.

What looks better?

Kemba/MCW
Batum/Monk
MKG/Graham
Love/Frank
Zeller/Dwight

or

Kemba/[Bledsoe]/MCW
Bledsoe/Monk
Batum/Lamb/Graham
MKG/Frank
Zeller/Dwight


I personally like the first one better...the 2nd one makes us smaller on defense than I'd like to be...however the 2nd one would allow for some fun lineups for sure

True. Bledsoe is not much bigger than Kemba. We might as well start Monk at the 2. Besides Eric could argue that he is better than Kemba. He is younger with similar stats. Why would he want to give up starting? Chemistry problem waiting to happen.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 16/17 pt.1 

Post#1273 » by stinger14 » Tue Jul 4, 2017 5:27 pm

MotorKeepsGoing wrote:Like I've floated a few times, I'd still prefer to get Bledsoe here instead of Kevin Love. I think it's a better fit, and I think it would cost less.

What looks better?

Kemba/MCW
Batum/Monk
MKG/Graham
Love/Frank
Zeller/Dwight

or

Kemba/[Bledsoe]/MCW
Bledsoe/Monk
Batum/Lamb/Graham
MKG/Frank
Zeller/Dwight


I like first one better. Would be great to get somebody like Afflalo to agree to a one year deal, and a chance to start on a playoff team. That could set him up for a better pay day next year.

Kemba / MCW
Afflalo / Monk
Batum / MKG
Love / Frank
Dwight / Cody
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 16/17 pt.1 

Post#1274 » by BeesWax » Wed Jul 5, 2017 1:35 am

If Crowder and Smart are available we need to make a move now. We don't have to give up a ton to get them and they fit what we want to do perfectly. Lamb, JOB, Weber and a protected 1st should be close to what anyone else would offer. If we got those two on the team we would look nice going into next season.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 16/17 pt.1 

Post#1275 » by HornetJail » Wed Jul 5, 2017 1:42 am

jdm3 wrote:If Crowder and Smart are available we need to make a move now. We don't have to give up a ton to get them and they fit what we want to do perfectly. Lamb, JOB, Weber and a protected 1st should be close to what anyone else would offer. If we got those two on the team we would look nice going into next season.

Are you talking about both? They really only need to move one. My guess is they move Crowder or Bradley (in anticipation of his $20M+ he's going to make on his next contract) for a future 1st, a decent player making about half of what they make, and unguaranteed contracts/cap space.

Maybe if they want Frank to replace Olynyk who is now an UFA, we could offer them Frank and two of our unguaranteed contracts (JOB and Weber) for Crowder. I know I would do that trade. Crowder is a steal of a contract and has three more cheap years.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 16/17 pt.1 

Post#1276 » by Braggins » Wed Jul 5, 2017 2:25 am

Crowder would be nice, but not at the expense of Frank. I would definitely be into trading for Smart if the price is right. JOB + Weber + a 2nd rounder or two for Smart.

Kemba/Smart/MCW
Batum/Monk/Graham
MKG/Lamb
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 16/17 pt.1 

Post#1277 » by BlackOutBuzz » Wed Jul 5, 2017 2:43 am

Jordan Mickey and Demetrius Jackson are probably gonna be let go but can fit our Daniels exception, at worst they're better talents than Weber and JOB.

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Re: Fake Trade Thread 16/17 pt.1 

Post#1278 » by JDR720 » Wed Jul 5, 2017 4:21 am

Trade for crowder and then trade mkg.

3 team deal

Cha gets crowder
Boston gets Cha protected 1st
76ers get lamb and one of our bench bums.

Then

Mkg for hawks first round pick in 2019.

Use the mle to replace lamb.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 16/17 pt.1 

Post#1279 » by CuseMayne » Wed Jul 5, 2017 4:31 am

Braggins wrote:Crowder would be nice, but not at the expense of Frank. I would definitely be into trading for Smart if the price is right. JOB + Weber + a 2nd rounder or two for Smart.

Kemba/Smart/MCW
Batum/Monk/Graham
MKG/Lamb
Marv/Frank
Dwight/Cody



I'd be willing to part ways with MKG for Crowder, fillers on either side if necessary. Who says no? We get a legitimate three point threat, as well as only a minimal downgrade defensively. Crowder is pretty clutch, and has been in some big moments already in his career, while MKG has frankly been underwhelming. Crowder is 26 while MKG is 23, but I don't see MKG developing any sort of significant range, and with us acquiring DH12, the spacing could get claustrophobic during half court sets...

For Boston, they can get what they hope to be a LeBron stopper for what they anticipate as several ECFs in the coming years. As they just acquired Hayward, they will want a more balanced roster, and MKG brings that on the wing, whether he starts or is a bench presence.

I'd rather get rid of MKG than a different asset because we would be replacing him with the same position, and I feel like, in all likelihood, MKG's value won't ever be higher than it is now. I'm not a fan of getting rid of Frank at this point, and Lamb is one of my favorite players on the team. Obviously that shows my semi-bias towards him, but tbh, I think Lamb has more potential than MKG, while simultaneously being much more underrated as far as trade value around the league goes. Future 1st for Crowder? Eh, I'd be tempted. Future 1st for Smart? Hard no.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 16/17 pt.1 

Post#1280 » by CuseMayne » Wed Jul 5, 2017 4:32 am

JDR720 wrote:Trade for crowder and then trade mkg.

3 team deal

Cha gets crowder
Boston gets Cha protected 1st
76ers get lamb and one of our bench bums.

Then

Mkg for hawks first round pick in 2019.

Use the mle to replace lamb.


What exactly are the 76ers giving up in this hypothetical trade...? That's too much for Crowder.

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