Who to trade to clear cap space if we get GH?

[Smog]

Would you guys be interested in Gorgui Dieng?

VERY

The Cs need cost savings. With Zeller now gone there's no way to do that deal that makes sense for the Cs. Do you want to give up Bradley and Crowder?

If they're going to use two starters in a deal, it's going to be for someone better than Dieng (who I like btw).

[Homerclease]

Is Dieng even on the market now with Pattons injury?

[bake51]

Is Dieng even on the market now with Pattons injury?

Honestly I am not sure since Thibs is a big Dieng fan. For the right price I think Dieng would be dealt.

[Scarletfire81]

Trade Bradley. He's definitely going to get overpaid next summer and there is no way we retain him.

Same might be said for Smart, but I think Hayward replicates what Bradley did and then some, Smart makes those hustle plays that really on he does. Smart also might be more of a bargain if we did ever try and re-sign him because he can't shoot like Bradley.

Trade Bradley for a mediocre PF and a future pick or swap.

Roll out:
IT/Rozier
Smart/Brown
Hayward/Tatum
Crowder/mediocre PF/Theis
Horford/Zizic

You fill the 4 minutes with Hayward, Crowder, Tatum, Brown, Horford, the German Theis and whomever else you can scrape together.

I agree with everything, except I think Brown starts over Smart.

[bake51]

Minny gets: A. Bradley, J. Crowder, D. Jackson, 2019 second round pick (via Detroit)

Boston gets: G. Dieng, 2018 first round pick (via OKC lotto-protected)

^ this deal was brought over to the twolves board from a Celtics fan. I think it is a no brainer for us but I think the Celtics would easily turn this down.

[Drax]

All of them. Lee, Sully and Zeller were all starters. Jury is out on Zizic. The problem was that none of them were good enough.

Thats BS and you know it. When we traded Gerald Wallace for David Lee, low expectation noone thought he was a starter at that time. Zeller was a use of a TPE not brought in as a starter. Sullinger was a gamble and once Stevens took over he instantly told him to work on his three pointer.

[aim2please]

The whole league is looking for two-way wings and C's have a number of them. Not trading two of them for freaking Dieng.

Celtics need to clear some space, they don't need another big salary, especially not for an average guy like Dieng. Proposed deal with Minny is terrible for C's. Cmon people.

Vucevic, Dieng etc. make no sense for C's. Bigs are easiest position to fill. Len, Plumlee, Pachulia, Baynes, Dedmon, McGee, Tarik Black etc, will get under $5m a year. Why pay Dieng $15m?

[Kool_Name_Right]

Minny gets: A. Bradley, J. Crowder, D. Jackson, 2019 second round pick (via Detroit)

Boston gets: G. Dieng, 2018 first round pick (via OKC lotto-protected)

^ this deal was brought over to the twolves board from a Celtics fan. I think it is a no brainer for us but I think the Celtics would easily turn this down.

Lol why are we giving up a 2nd rounder as well?

[Sactowndog]

What a troll of a post. GTFO

https://clutchpoints.com/celtics-contacting-teams-offering-marcus-smart/

Couple of things.

Yeah I noticed your PM and actually I do too.
The troll part was Smart for a 2nd round pick.
In the article it doesn't state for a 2nd round pick.

Actually in the article it says this;

It’s expected that Smart will generate a lot of interest from teams around the league especially after coming off his best season in the NBA, with averages of 10.6 points, 3.9 rebounds, 4.6 assists, and 1.6 steals per game

That doesn't scream 2nd round pick to you does it? More likely a future 1st, would you disagree?

Yeah for two reasons

1) Teams know Danny has to make a trade so you are getting fire sale prices. The good teams with late round picks are capped out and the bad teams with cap space aren't trading a high value pick. Best hope is San Antonio.

2) Smarts 3 point shooting is among the worst in the league and his plus minus is terrible. He has been in the league 3 years and it hasn't gotten much better. I'm just hoping we don't have to package a pick to move him.

https://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/3-points/sort/threePointFieldGoalPct/position/point-guards

[theman]

The Cs need cost savings. With Zeller now gone there's no way to do that deal that makes sense for the Cs. Do you want to give up Bradley and Crowder?

If they're going to use two starters in a deal, it's going to be for someone better than Dieng (who I like btw).

What you fail to realize is Ainge will not get anything close to fair value for whoever he sends out. What we have is a Paul George situation of amped up to 11. Other GMs know Ainge has no choice to part with one of these guys.

And Crowder is no longer a starter.

[theman]

Is Dieng even on the market now with Pattons injury?

Honestly I am not sure since Thibs is a big Dieng fan. For the right price I think Dieng would be dealt.

Thibs would love Crowder and Bradley.

[theman]

The whole league is looking for two-way wings and C's have a number of them. Not trading two of them for freaking Dieng.

Celtics need to clear some space, they don't need another big salary, especially not for an average guy like Dieng. Proposed deal with Minny is terrible for C's. Cmon people.

Vucevic, Dieng etc. make no sense for C's. Bigs are easiest position to fill. Len, Plumlee, Pachulia, Baynes, Dedmon, McGee, Tarik Black etc, will get under $5m a year. Why pay Dieng $15m?

10 pts 8 rebs 1.9 asts 1 stl 1 blk is why.

What do you think the Celtics can get for Bradley or Crowder?

[3D Chess]

The Cs need cost savings. With Zeller now gone there's no way to do that deal that makes sense for the Cs. Do you want to give up Bradley and Crowder?

If they're going to use two starters in a deal, it's going to be for someone better than Dieng (who I like btw).

What you fail to realize is Ainge will not get anything close to fair value for whoever he sends out. What we have is a Paul George situation of amped up to 11. Other GMs know Ainge has no choice to part with one of these guys.

And Crowder is no longer a starter.

Yeah but he has 29 teams to trade with, not a few that might be willing to risk a PG rental and the rest of the league not even wanting to get involved.

[Zaschrona]

AB for Boban Marjanovic and a pick?

[aim2please]

The whole league is looking for two-way wings and C's have a number of them. Not trading two of them for freaking Dieng.

Celtics need to clear some space, they don't need another big salary, especially not for an average guy like Dieng. Proposed deal with Minny is terrible for C's. Cmon people.

Vucevic, Dieng etc. make no sense for C's. Bigs are easiest position to fill. Len, Plumlee, Pachulia, Baynes, Dedmon, McGee, Tarik Black etc, will get under $5m a year. Why pay Dieng $15m?

10 pts 8 rebs 1.9 asts 1 stl 1 blk is why.

What do you think the Celtics can get for Bradley or Crowder?

He's a 27.5 years old, average starting big, making $14.1m, $15.1m, $16.2m, $17.2m next four years. You can get a guy for BAE or room exception that's doing 80% of what he's doing. There are so many bigs on the market, there's not enough $ available. Some of them will be forced to play for the minimum, QO or small exceptions.

I would rather have Tarik Black/Willie Reed/Dedmon/Jeff Witney for third or quarter of Dieng/Vucevic's price. Look at C's salary structure going forward and explain how adding a role playing big making that $ makes sense. Isn't a better idea just to keep Bradley and pay him?

What can Crowder or Bradley fetch? I have no idea. A pick and a guy on a small salary? Combining both of them makes zero sense and it's not happening UNLESS Celtics are getting a REALLY good starter back. Dieng/Vucevic are average guys.

[Red2]

on re think I believe Danny will trade Bradley. he's will bring more in a trade than crowder or smart. Plus he needs to get paid next year. Also crowder is our most physical player and brown,tatum an Hayward can't replace that.Danny obviously planned for this by drafting 3 wings players in the second round.

[Berkcelt]

Jae doesn't have to be traded. I think maybe some people are worried about getting Tatum 30mpg but it's probably not happening whether Jae stays or not. Meanwhile we can trade Jae whenever up until and including next offseason.

AB is gone for nothing if we keep him. The question to me is, is Smart also gone for nothing if we keep him? I keep seeing sub $30m numbers for IT but I don't think that's realistic. He might not get the full years (I hope not anyway for team building purposes), but it just seems he's getting paid and swinging other ~$20m deals will be untenable. I'd really hate to see both go, but especially Smart because we need an a-hole (and I mean that as positively as possible), and he's the only one we have.

[theman]

The whole league is looking for two-way wings and C's have a number of them. Not trading two of them for freaking Dieng.

Celtics need to clear some space, they don't need another big salary, especially not for an average guy like Dieng. Proposed deal with Minny is terrible for C's. Cmon people.

Vucevic, Dieng etc. make no sense for C's. Bigs are easiest position to fill. Len, Plumlee, Pachulia, Baynes, Dedmon, McGee, Tarik Black etc, will get under $5m a year. Why pay Dieng $15m?

10 pts 8 rebs 1.9 asts 1 stl 1 blk is why.

What do you think the Celtics can get for Bradley or Crowder?

He's a 27.5 years old, average starting big, making $14.1m, $15.1m, $16.2m, $17.2m next four years. You can get a guy for BAE or room exception that's doing 80% of what he's doing. There are so many bigs on the market, there's not enough $ available. Some of them will be forced to play for the minimum, QO or small exceptions.

I would rather have Tarik Black/Willie Reed/Dedmon/Jeff Witney for third or quarter of Dieng/Vucevic's price. Look at C's salary structure going forward and explain how adding a role playing big making that $ makes sense. Isn't a better idea just to keep Bradley and pay him?

What can Crowder or Bradley fetch? I have no idea. A pick and a guy on a small salary? Combining both of them makes zero sense and it's not happening UNLESS Celtics are getting a REALLY good starter back. Dieng/Vucevic are average guys.

Good luck getting a pick for Bradley. He is a one year rental. I guess there is a chance. Crowder maybe.

But the Celtics still need a big or two. I would like Faried as he only has a year left and brings more talent the the guys you mentioned. Then next year when you know what you have with Zizic and the draft fill in with scrubs.

Thomas/Rozier
Smart/Brown
Hayward/Tatum
Faried/Ojeleye
Horford/Zizic

[theman]

Will the Evan Turner effect hurt Bradley/Crowder trade value?

[Homerclease]

All of them. Lee, Sully and Zeller were all starters. Jury is out on Zizic. The problem was that none of them were good enough.

Thats BS and you know it. When we traded Gerald Wallace for David Lee, low expectation noone thought he was a starter at that time. Zeller was a use of a TPE not brought in as a starter. Sullinger was a gamble and once Stevens took over he instantly told him to work on his three pointer.

So you're saying Lee, Zeller and Sullinger weren't starters here?