Otto Porter Part 2

[DCZards]

Wall won't sign that extension this year. I'm near certain of that. But if he did, it wouldn't come into effect until 2019-2020.

Leonsis won't wake up. Ernie is his useful scapegoat who he knows he won't ever have to fire because the local media sucks and the fan base has been demoralized for almost 4 decades.

Actually, the fan base--at least those who show up at the Verizon Center regularly--got a real jolt of energy and positivity last season. Question now is whether the Zards can carry that vibe into next season by continuing to play well and win games, especially at home.

[nate33]

I'm obviously biased, but if I'm Washington I make calls over the next few days before matching. See what they could get with a $23+mil trade exception. If you believe in Oubre & depth is your biggest issue, $23mil could plug a few holes. If you can find depth, a sign & trade becomes an option. My understanding is that terms have been agreed upon, but nothing signed yet.

The Nets appeared to be the only team willing to extend a max. The Wizards are swallowing hard to match it. Basically, everyone likes Porter, but nobody really likes him much at that price. What makes you think Porter, on that contract, has enough value as a trade asset to bring back something useful in return?

[Wizardspride]

Wall won't sign that extension this year. I'm near certain of that. But if he did, it wouldn't come into effect until 2019-2020.

Leonsis won't wake up. Ernie is his useful scapegoat who he knows he won't ever have to fire because the local media sucks and the fan base has been demoralized for almost 4 decades.

Actually, the fan base--at least those who show up at the Verizon Center regularly--got a real jolt of energy and positivity last season. Question now is whether the Zards can carry that vibe into next season by continuing to play well and win games, especially at home.

[NatP4]

Twitter is absolutely driving me crazy with the ignorant Otto Porter hate. These are the same people that would hype up the Twolves young core of Lavine-Wiggins-Towns lol

[Kanyewest]

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This man could EASILY average 20 PPG with higher usage, also could get him more minutes at the 4 and post up him up WAY MORE, use him as a screener to get him even more shots. Should be taking the 2nd most shots on the team every night. Otto could easily be a 20 point 7 rebound 4 assist player if we just used him more.

Don't rule out the big leap next season. It's not really up to him though.

I like Porter and the video shows some nice moves against players like Kawhi and Covington. Still, a lot of the plays were against poor defenders including an aging Vince Carter, Damian Lillard, Ben McClemore, Bobby Portis JJ Reddick, Gordon Hayward, Ryan Anderson, Kelly Olynyk, Carmelo,LaMarcus Aldridge, and Seth Curry. Sometimes the defenders gave relatively poor effort like LeBron, Jonas, and Thadeus Young.

THat being said, I think Porter has room to grow his game and could develop to become even better. I wonder down the line if Washington will regret not giving Porter that extra year. We will have to wait and see.

[Doug_Blew]

I was high on Porter in the playoffs 2 years ago when it looked like he could be something special. But I have lost the excitement for him. This year he was basically a 3 point specialist up until the all star break (maybe a little later). On offense he basically gave us what Rasual Buttler and Jared Dudley gave us. Both of them kind of faded towards the end of the year as well.

The only way i'd match this contract is if Porter is tradeable. If there's a trade kicker that makes it difficult to trade him, then I dont match. I think this could be the straw that breaks the camel's back with John Wall. I could easily seeing this being Juwan Howard part deux. If John Wall moves on, ala Webber, and leaves us with an above average Porter and a very good Beal running the show, i could see the boo birds showing up at the Verizon Center.

Porter makes it more difficult to shed contracts next season to get some cap space to sign Boogie or PGIII.

[Meliorus]

Twitter is absolutely driving me crazy with the ignorant Otto Porter hate. These are the same people that would hype up the Twolves young core of Lavine-Wiggins-Towns lol

PPG baby!! Barnes is so much better than Otto!! 20 PPG!! Wiggins best scorer!!

[VeeJay24]

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This man could EASILY average 20 PPG with higher usage, also could get him more minutes at the 4 and post up him up WAY MORE, use him as a screener to get him even more shots. Should be taking the 2nd most shots on the team every night. Otto could easily be a 20 point 7 rebound 4 assist player if we just used him more.

Don't rule out the big leap next season. It's not really up to him though.

Exactly, He could be so much better; if the coach used him more. Otto is multi talented and could easily avg. 20 and at least 7 to 8 rbs, plus 3-4 assts. The coach needs to design an offense that's not heavy Wall/Beal oriented.

Also, the best thing for the Wizards is for the Pels to be out of the playoff race by the trade deadline. Try to get him at the trade deadline an obtain the bird rights.

[Dark Faze]

Man get your ass out there and get up shots.

Tired of excuses about what a coach allows someone to do or not do. This is a grownup league. Markieff Morris came from this team after being vilified as a horrible teammate coming from Phoenix--he had every reason to come in here and stfu and just play defense and not rock the boat--and right off the bat he put up more shots than Otto in his first and second season here. Do you guys really think the coach gave out some kind of order for Kieff to take a ton of shots? Or this past season did he tell Gortat to drop his field goal attempts per game by 2 shots?

All of that stuff is aggressiveness and confidence. Otto can absolutely put up more shots--but please don't try to say dumb stuff like "but it's not up to him."

[tontoz]

This was only Porter's second season as a starter. It isn't exactly unusual for a young guy to defer to vets. He averaged 14.9 pts per 36 minutes with a TS of 63.5% and people are complaining lol.

Morris averaged only 1.2 pts more per 36.

[nate33]

Man get your ass out there and get up shots.

Tired of excuses about what a coach allows someone to do or not do. This is a grownup league. Markieff Morris came from this team after being vilified as a horrible teammate coming from Phoenix--he had every reason to come in here and stfu and just play defense and not rock the boat--and right off the bat he put up more shots than Otto in his first and second season here. Do you guys really think the coach gave out some kind of order for Kieff to take a ton of shots? Or this past season did he tell Gortat to drop his field goal attempts per game by 2 shots?

All of that stuff is aggressiveness and confidence. Otto can absolutely put up more shots--but please don't try to say dumb stuff like "but it's not up to him."

Agreed. It's up to Otto to be more aggressive. From what we know, Brooks and Porter's teammates are consistently encouraging him to shoot more. Don't blame them.

[TheNetsFan]

I'm obviously biased, but if I'm Washington I make calls over the next few days before matching. See what they could get with a $23+mil trade exception. If you believe in Oubre & depth is your biggest issue, $23mil could plug a few holes. If you can find depth, a sign & trade becomes an option. My understanding is that terms have been agreed upon, but nothing signed yet.

The Nets appeared to be the only team willing to extend a max. The Wizards are swallowing hard to match it. Basically, everyone likes Porter, but nobody really likes him much at that price. What makes you think Porter, on that contract, has enough value as a trade asset to bring back something useful in return?

My point is that if the offer sheet has only been agreed upon, and not yet signed (likely), the Wizards could S&T him to the Nets, and receive back cheap depth (e.g. RHJ ) and a massive trade exception ($23+mil). That trade exception could then be shopped to receive S&T of other FAs or players from teams trying to shed some payroll (Portland, OKC, Boston, etc.). Boston would be the best fit talent-wise (e.g. Crowder), but it's doubtful that they'd help a division rival unless they had no other choice.

[BigA]

I'm obviously biased, but if I'm Washington I make calls over the next few days before matching. See what they could get with a $23+mil trade exception. If you believe in Oubre & depth is your biggest issue, $23mil could plug a few holes. If you can find depth, a sign & trade becomes an option. My understanding is that terms have been agreed upon, but nothing signed yet.

The Nets appeared to be the only team willing to extend a max. The Wizards are swallowing hard to match it. Basically, everyone likes Porter, but nobody really likes him much at that price. What makes you think Porter, on that contract, has enough value as a trade asset to bring back something useful in return?

My point is that if the offer sheet has only been agreed upon, and not yet signed (likely), the Wizards could S&T him to the Nets, and receive back cheap depth (e.g. RHJ ) and a massive trade exception ($23+mil). That trade exception could then be shopped to receive S&T of other FAs or players from teams trying to shed some payroll (Portland, OKC, Boston, etc.). Boston would be the best fit talent-wise (e.g. Crowder), but it's doubtful that they'd help a division rival unless they had no other choice.

Talent-wise, paying Porter is likely to be the best use of that $, by far.

[FAH1223]

Wall won't sign that extension this year. I'm near certain of that. But if he did, it wouldn't come into effect until 2019-2020.

Leonsis won't wake up. Ernie is his useful scapegoat who he knows he won't ever have to fire because the local media sucks and the fan base has been demoralized for almost 4 decades.

Actually, the fan base--at least those who show up at the Verizon Center regularly--got a real jolt of energy and positivity last season. Question now is whether the Zards can carry that vibe into next season by continuing to play well and win games, especially at home.

Last season was fun. But the elephant in the room is Grunfeld and he represents failure of 4 decades spanning to the last Finals appearence this franchise has had.

[Dark Faze]

Man get your ass out there and get up shots.

Tired of excuses about what a coach allows someone to do or not do. This is a grownup league. Markieff Morris came from this team after being vilified as a horrible teammate coming from Phoenix--he had every reason to come in here and stfu and just play defense and not rock the boat--and right off the bat he put up more shots than Otto in his first and second season here. Do you guys really think the coach gave out some kind of order for Kieff to take a ton of shots? Or this past season did he tell Gortat to drop his field goal attempts per game by 2 shots?

All of that stuff is aggressiveness and confidence. Otto can absolutely put up more shots--but please don't try to say dumb stuff like "but it's not up to him."

Agreed. It's up to Otto to be more aggressive. From what we know, Brooks and Porter's teammates are consistently encouraging him to shoot more. Don't blame them.

For what its worth I have a feeling he's going to be much more productive this year. It would help to get him more minutes. He should be averaging 35 minutes a night easy. Maybe it requires Kelly to spend more time on the floor with Otto, but that shouldn't be a problem.

[tontoz]

My point is that if the offer sheet has only been agreed upon, and not yet signed (likely), the Wizards could S&T him to the Nets, and receive back cheap depth (e.g. RHJ ) and a massive trade exception ($23+mil). That trade exception could then be shopped to receive S&T of other FAs or players from teams trying to shed some payroll (Portland, OKC, Boston, etc.). Boston would be the best fit talent-wise (e.g. Crowder), but it's doubtful that they'd help a division rival unless they had no other choice.

Deals can't be signed until the 7th. We are going to match. I can't see any SNT deals happening.

[FAH1223]

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[NatP4]

Twitter is absolutely driving me crazy with the ignorant Otto Porter hate. These are the same people that would hype up the Twolves young core of Lavine-Wiggins-Towns lol

PPG baby!! Barnes is so much better than Otto!! 20 PPG!! Wiggins best scorer!!

"I COULD AVERAGE 13 PPG GIVE ME 100 MILLION"

[NatP4]

Man get your ass out there and get up shots.

Tired of excuses about what a coach allows someone to do or not do. This is a grownup league. Markieff Morris came from this team after being vilified as a horrible teammate coming from Phoenix--he had every reason to come in here and stfu and just play defense and not rock the boat--and right off the bat he put up more shots than Otto in his first and second season here. Do you guys really think the coach gave out some kind of order for Kieff to take a ton of shots? Or this past season did he tell Gortat to drop his field goal attempts per game by 2 shots?

All of that stuff is aggressiveness and confidence. Otto can absolutely put up more shots--but please don't try to say dumb stuff like "but it's not up to him."

Agreed. It's up to Otto to be more aggressive. From what we know, Brooks and Porter's teammates are consistently encouraging him to shoot more. Don't blame them.

For what its worth I have a feeling he's going to be much more productive this year. It would help to get him more minutes. He should be averaging 35 minutes a night easy. Maybe it requires Kelly to spend more time on the floor with Otto, but that shouldn't be a problem.

Except that is a problem.....because despite it being our best lineup, Brooks refuses to use it. And we don't run a single set for Otto, Wall and Morris take all the shots that he should be getting.

He should be averaging 35 minutes a night, he should be playing big minutes at power forward, he should be handling the rock in pick and rolls just as much as Brad, he should be posted up 3-4 times per game, hell, he should be given the rock to ISO a few times per night, he can score in isolation also.

We have the same problem with KO to a lesser extent, with Randy, KO would drive recklessly at the basket and handle the ball in pick and rolls even if it was a disaster, but with Brooks he's been told to just stand in the corner and spot up shoot, they don't even let him push the ball after a rebound. We basically completely quit developing Oubre as a secondary scorer at all. He watches Bojan fail at scoring or Marcus Thornton disgrace the game of basketball.

Now the difference is, Otto actually has the skill, Oubre probably not, but the question is, does our environment/offense even allow for another young player to develop into a star offensive player if he isn't a selfish ISO scorer?

[nate33]

Agreed. It's up to Otto to be more aggressive. From what we know, Brooks and Porter's teammates are consistently encouraging him to shoot more. Don't blame them.

For what its worth I have a feeling he's going to be much more productive this year. It would help to get him more minutes. He should be averaging 35 minutes a night easy. Maybe it requires Kelly to spend more time on the floor with Otto, but that shouldn't be a problem.

Except that is a problem.....because despite it being our best lineup, Brooks refuses to use it. And we don't run a single set for Otto, Wall and Morris take all the shots that he should be getting.

He should be averaging 35 minutes a night, he should be playing big minutes at power forward, he should be handling the rock in pick and rolls just as much as Brad, he should be posted up 3-4 times per game, hell, he should be given the rock to ISO a few times per night, he can score in isolation also.

We have the same problem with KO to a lesser extent, with Randy, KO would drive recklessly at the basket and handle the ball in pick and rolls even if it was a disaster, but with Brooks he's been told to just stand in the corner and spot up shoot, they don't even let him push the ball after a rebound. We basically completely quit developing Oubre as a secondary scorer at all. He watches Bojan fail at scoring or Marcus Thornton disgrace the game of basketball.

Now the difference is, Otto actually has the skill, Oubre probably not, but the question is, does our environment/offense even allow for another young player to develop into a star offensive player if he isn't a selfish ISO scorer?

Otto has some minor durability issues. Usually his back or his hip flexor starts to bother him halfway through the season. I think that's why he plays 30 minutes a game and not 35-36. It's not problems with roster balance or an unwillingness to play him at PF.