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Re: Summer Trade/(OffSeason) Thread 2017 

Post#1781 » by ViperGTS » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:01 am

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these takes are stupid. Nobody who wants to keep there job is not wanting to trade for a valuable player because the other guy has known to fleece people. You make trades because you believe they will either help now or in the future. The problem we have is Many of the teams that would want win now players have filled up. We're not in position to take back equal $ while those teams have to get equal $ out. Bad teams don't want win now players and give up cheap assets. It's not in their best interest. It has nothing to do with helping Boston or DA. If Houston, OKC, Clippers, Nuggets could afford Crowder, Bradley and Smart on their current deals and give us something back of value they would have done it already. It's not that hard to understand.


OKC had no problem trading for George did they? Or the rumored trade involving Carmelo?

See, YOU don't understand. It's part of the natural human condition. If IT was on the block, you may seem them break ranks. Instead, they will make a trade, but it will 100 percent be on the side of the other team. As I said, none of these players are must haves.

Bradley- expiring, and is an injury risk
Smart-can't shoot and is going to need a contract
Crowder- great contract, solid player but not a must have

It's no different than them asking for all the BKN assets and others for trades. If Philly wanted Fultz so bad they would have given up 2 1sts for him if it was any other team. I believe that. Instead, they begrudgingly coughed up one.


This is an even worse take. Your comparing Paul George to Jae Crowder?

Let's see Boston can't take back equal value in $ to make it work. So they have to find someone pretty cheap they like. Ok for craps and giggles since I've already done this 4 times let's find some. I found Hermangomez and Portis earlier. If I'm Boston I kick tires on those two teams. Bulls why would they want Crowder? Their rebuilding, they can play young guys, tank and build there, why give up a young controllable rotation big who could blossom with more time? Knicks, same argument as above? Ok how about Rockets, OKC, Clippers and let's say Minny. FOR THEM TO MAKE A TRADE THEY have to send out equal $. So getting a 3rd team which takes time, needs to be incorporated. We can't swap Crowder for a player on their roster because we can't take back the same or more $ as Crowder has going out.

It's not that HARD, if GMs black ball other GMs out of spite, they will be out of a job real quick, because that's not how you do good business.

The best option we have to get value is to trade to a good team who has space. Like Spurs and Utah right now. Find assets on those rosters, or figure out a 3rd team to get involved who may want picks to absorb a contract.



GMs who blackball the Cs over Bradley, Smart or Crowder aren't going to lose their jobs lol. Boy you are grasping at straws with this one.

Face it. Every team in the league KNOWS Danny needs to make a move. They won't do jack to help until the trade is cents in the dollar. Call that balckballing or whatever you will, they will make Danny pay.

In that regard, they are doing exactly what they should be doing.
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Re: Summer Trade/(OffSeason) Thread 2017 

Post#1782 » by robdog_5 » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:06 am

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OKC had no problem trading for George did they? Or the rumored trade involving Carmelo?

See, YOU don't understand. It's part of the natural human condition. If IT was on the block, you may seem them break ranks. Instead, they will make a trade, but it will 100 percent be on the side of the other team. As I said, none of these players are must haves.

Bradley- expiring, and is an injury risk
Smart-can't shoot and is going to need a contract
Crowder- great contract, solid player but not a must have

It's no different than them asking for all the BKN assets and others for trades. If Philly wanted Fultz so bad they would have given up 2 1sts for him if it was any other team. I believe that. Instead, they begrudgingly coughed up one.


This is an even worse take. Your comparing Paul George to Jae Crowder?

Let's see Boston can't take back equal value in $ to make it work. So they have to find someone pretty cheap they like. Ok for craps and giggles since I've already done this 4 times let's find some. I found Hermangomez and Portis earlier. If I'm Boston I kick tires on those two teams. Bulls why would they want Crowder? Their rebuilding, they can play young guys, tank and build there, why give up a young controllable rotation big who could blossom with more time? Knicks, same argument as above? Ok how about Rockets, OKC, Clippers and let's say Minny. FOR THEM TO MAKE A TRADE THEY have to send out equal $. So getting a 3rd team which takes time, needs to be incorporated. We can't swap Crowder for a player on their roster because we can't take back the same or more $ as Crowder has going out.

It's not that HARD, if GMs black ball other GMs out of spite, they will be out of a job real quick, because that's not how you do good business.

The best option we have to get value is to trade to a good team who has space. Like Spurs and Utah right now. Find assets on those rosters, or figure out a 3rd team to get involved who may want picks to absorb a contract.



GMs who blackball the Cs over Bradley, Smart or Crowder aren't going to lose their jobs lol. Boy you are grasping at straws with this one.

Face it. Every team in the league KNOWS Danny needs to make a move. They won't do jack to help until the trade is cents in the dollar. Call that balckballing or whatever you will, they will make Danny pay.

In that regard, they are doing exactly what they should be doing.


Ok, I can agree with the way this is worded. They won't blackball anyone and if they do they will be fired because they won't be good at their job. The fact others know Boston's situation may allow them to be more picky and fight for a tougher deal from Danny. I agree 100% and that is doing the best job they need to. But it's not that people won't deal with Danny or are treating him any different than they would do to any other GM. Much like Pritchard with George when people know you have to make a deal it's easier to get selective.

Somebody is going to get a value on Crowder, Smart or Bradley. Danny's job is to limit the damage and see if we can salvage any value back. Best way to do that IMO is to find a 3rd team and see which WEST team wants another piece. Because many of them do.
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Post#1783 » by Kefa461 » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:19 am

rudy g to the spurs.....


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Post#1784 » by BakersDozen » Fri Jul 7, 2017 1:13 am

I know he probably isnt a Stevens guy but i think Thomas Robinson would fill a role here.


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Re: Summer Trade/(OffSeason) Thread 2017 

Post#1785 » by Jingles » Fri Jul 7, 2017 1:13 am

robdog_5 wrote:
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This is an even worse take. Your comparing Paul George to Jae Crowder?

Let's see Boston can't take back equal value in $ to make it work. So they have to find someone pretty cheap they like. Ok for craps and giggles since I've already done this 4 times let's find some. I found Hermangomez and Portis earlier. If I'm Boston I kick tires on those two teams. Bulls why would they want Crowder? Their rebuilding, they can play young guys, tank and build there, why give up a young controllable rotation big who could blossom with more time? Knicks, same argument as above? Ok how about Rockets, OKC, Clippers and let's say Minny. FOR THEM TO MAKE A TRADE THEY have to send out equal $. So getting a 3rd team which takes time, needs to be incorporated. We can't swap Crowder for a player on their roster because we can't take back the same or more $ as Crowder has going out.

It's not that HARD, if GMs black ball other GMs out of spite, they will be out of a job real quick, because that's not how you do good business.

The best option we have to get value is to trade to a good team who has space. Like Spurs and Utah right now. Find assets on those rosters, or figure out a 3rd team to get involved who may want picks to absorb a contract.



GMs who blackball the Cs over Bradley, Smart or Crowder aren't going to lose their jobs lol. Boy you are grasping at straws with this one.

Face it. Every team in the league KNOWS Danny needs to make a move. They won't do jack to help until the trade is cents in the dollar. Call that balckballing or whatever you will, they will make Danny pay.

In that regard, they are doing exactly what they should be doing.


Ok, I can agree with the way this is worded. They won't blackball anyone and if they do they will be fired because they won't be good at their job. The fact others know Boston's situation may allow them to be more picky and fight for a tougher deal from Danny. I agree 100% and that is doing the best job they need to. But it's not that people won't deal with Danny or are treating him any different than they would do to any other GM. Much like Pritchard with George when people know you have to make a deal it's easier to get selective.

Somebody is going to get a value on Crowder, Smart or Bradley. Danny's job is to limit the damage and see if we can salvage any value back. Best way to do that IMO is to find a 3rd team and see which WEST team wants another piece. Because many of them do.


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Re: Summer Trade/(OffSeason) Thread 2017 

Post#1786 » by Bohemian » Fri Jul 7, 2017 7:37 am

There should be some trade today or during the weekend. Crowder, Bradley and Smart are available.

So far this is what we´ve done (confirmed deals):

IN: Hayward, Tatum, Theis, Zizic
OUT: Johnson, Zeller, Olynyk
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Post#1787 » by Avalanche » Fri Jul 7, 2017 8:22 am

We just need one dumb Gm to really like one of these guys and overplay their hand

Yeah the league knows we have to make a deal and DA is probably getting low balled, but the entire league would be interested in at least one of the three

I hope Danny comes out with something totally unexpected
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Post#1788 » by Avalanche » Fri Jul 7, 2017 9:41 am

Also, something that has puzzled me since the draft trade.. The 2-5 protection

Set aside the number 1 protection, that I can't believe we gave...

2-5 is very specific, especially in what seems to be a consensus top 4 draft (which yes, I know will almost certainly change)... But DA is calculated, I wonder who he has his eye on outside of the Bamba, Ayton, Doncic, Porter group
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Re: Summer Trade/(OffSeason) Thread 2017 

Post#1789 » by La Flame » Fri Jul 7, 2017 9:57 am

Avalanche wrote:Also, something that has puzzled me since the draft trade.. The 2-5 protection

Set aside the number 1 protection, that I can't believe we gave...

2-5 is very specific, especially in what seems to be a consensus top 4 draft (which yes, I know will almost certainly change)... But DA is calculated, I wonder who he has his eye on outside of the Bamba, Ayton, Doncic, Porter group


Shareef O'Neal or Bol Bol, I guess
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Re: Summer Trade/(OffSeason) Thread 2017 

Post#1790 » by Gomes3PC » Fri Jul 7, 2017 1:25 pm

With Hardaway Jr. set to leave, I wonder if the Hawks would have some level of interest in Smart? They have tons of cap room, little space and I'd think Bud appreciates the defensive / overall game Smart can bring. He also might think he could help fix his shot. ATL is going to rebuild and so if they don't have to give up a lot, why not take a flyer on Smart this year and see if he can pair with Bazemore and Schroder?
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Re: Summer Trade/(OffSeason) Thread 2017 

Post#1791 » by Disinformation » Fri Jul 7, 2017 5:25 pm

Gomes3PC wrote:With Hardaway Jr. set to leave, I wonder if the Hawks would have some level of interest in Smart? They have tons of cap room, little space and I'd think Bud appreciates the defensive / overall game Smart can bring. He also might think he could help fix his shot. ATL is going to rebuild and so if they don't have to give up a lot, why not take a flyer on Smart this year and see if he can pair with Bazemore and Schroder?

And why are we trading Smart in this scenario?
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Re: Summer Trade/(OffSeason) Thread 2017 

Post#1792 » by Gomes3PC » Fri Jul 7, 2017 6:37 pm

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Gomes3PC wrote:With Hardaway Jr. set to leave, I wonder if the Hawks would have some level of interest in Smart? They have tons of cap room, little space and I'd think Bud appreciates the defensive / overall game Smart can bring. He also might think he could help fix his shot. ATL is going to rebuild and so if they don't have to give up a lot, why not take a flyer on Smart this year and see if he can pair with Bazemore and Schroder?

And why are we trading Smart in this scenario?

My post was prior to the AB trade. No need at this point.
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Re: Summer Trade/(OffSeason) Thread 2017 

Post#1793 » by Disinformation » Fri Jul 7, 2017 6:52 pm

Gomes3PC wrote:
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Gomes3PC wrote:With Hardaway Jr. set to leave, I wonder if the Hawks would have some level of interest in Smart? They have tons of cap room, little space and I'd think Bud appreciates the defensive / overall game Smart can bring. He also might think he could help fix his shot. ATL is going to rebuild and so if they don't have to give up a lot, why not take a flyer on Smart this year and see if he can pair with Bazemore and Schroder?

And why are we trading Smart in this scenario?

My post was prior to the AB trade. No need at this point.

My bad. Carry on. 8-)
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Post#1794 » by 165bows » Fri Jul 7, 2017 6:52 pm

Bohemian wrote:There should be some trade today or during the weekend. Crowder, Bradley and Smart are available.

So far this is what we´ve done (confirmed deals):

IN: Hayward, Tatum, Theis, Zizic
OUT: Johnson, Zeller, Olynyk

Now expanded to the following:

IN - Hayward, Tatum, Morris, Zizic, Yabs, Theis

OUT - Bradley, Olynyk, Amir, Jerebko, Zeller

Quite a bit younger, though not that much smaller on second glance. Shortest guy in is 6'8".
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Post#1795 » by Slartibartfast » Fri Jul 7, 2017 7:30 pm

165bows wrote:
Bohemian wrote:There should be some trade today or during the weekend. Crowder, Bradley and Smart are available.

So far this is what we´ve done (confirmed deals):

IN: Hayward, Tatum, Theis, Zizic
OUT: Johnson, Zeller, Olynyk

Now expanded to the following:

IN - Hayward, Tatum, Morris, Zizic, Yabs, Theis

OUT - Bradley, Olynyk, Amir, Jerebko, Zeller

Quite a bit younger, though not that much smaller on second glance. Shortest guy in is 6'8".


Obviously more talent incoming. A lot more individual scoring ability. Beefier on the wings. About even in the shooting column. Weakened at the point of attack defensively and probably at the rim as well. All-rookie back-ups at the 4/5 replacing a veteran group (Tatum/Zizic/Yabs/Theis vs. KO/Jerebko/Zeller).
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Post#1796 » by ConstableGeneva » Fri Jul 7, 2017 7:32 pm

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Post#1797 » by truth18 » Fri Jul 7, 2017 7:35 pm

CrowderKeg wrote:Didn't know where to put this...



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Post#1798 » by Disinformation » Fri Jul 7, 2017 7:47 pm

CrowderKeg wrote:Didn't know where to put this...

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Post#1799 » by sam_I_am » Fri Jul 7, 2017 8:03 pm

Once Hayward officially signed, when can we trade Morris contract plus another 5 million to get a 125% higher contract - say Vucevic - if we wanted? Or say Jae + Morris to bring in a 15 million dollar guy.
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Post#1800 » by bucknersrevenge » Fri Jul 7, 2017 9:33 pm

sam_I_am wrote:Once Hayward officially signed, when can we trade Morris contract plus another 5 million to get a 125% higher contract - say Vucevic - if we wanted? Or say Jae + Morris to bring in a 15 million dollar guy.


Not sure. Good question though. Of course, it assumes that Brad and Danny would want to do such a thing. Hayward, Crowder, and now Morris are capable of switching 2-4 in a pinch. Morris, has the size to switch on to a Center and box out when necessary. Not sure if Vucevic (as much as I liked him) has the requisite athleticism to make those switches. However, his trade not only gives us flexibility on the floor but salary flexibility as it relates to future trades as well.
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