Las Vegas Summer league - July 7-17, 2017

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Who will dominate?

Markelle Fultz
61
12%
Lonzo Ball
60
12%
Jayson Tatum
131
26%
Josh Jackson
24
5%
De'Aaron Fox
52
10%
Lauri Markkanen
17
3%
Dennis Smith JR
53
10%
Zach Collins
9
2%
Donovan Mitchell
52
10%
Other Players
51
10%
 
Total votes: 510

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Re: Las Vegas Summer league - July 7-17, 2017 

Post#601 » by Tinseltown » Sat Jul 8, 2017 6:21 pm

KingDavid wrote:A lot of overreactions over one bad game. Can someone tell me what look good and what looked concerning about Ball? I missed the game. I knew getting his shot off was going to be a problem if he doesn't tweak it. But the weak handles in half court is a major problem. That's not easy to fix. Limitations there have a lot to do with foot speed and footwork.

Good: Passing/vision. Outlet passes in particular looked great

Bad: Slow, slow foot speed. Couldn't penetrate at all. Even when a big was switched on him he still couldn't drive past them to the rim. Anytime Lonzo tried to create in the half court, the only shot he could routinely get off was a contested 3 and he missed most of them badly. On the flip side, any Clipper, even the bigs, were able to blow by Lonzo when he defended them. Lonzo's handle wasn't elite either but it was really the quickness issue that was troubling him.

Also the Clippers were going under screens and still managing to contest Lonzo's 3 point attempts. His unconventional release is going to be a real issue for him in the NBA

People keep talking about Rubio, but Rubio has a lot of lateral quickness. When I watch Lonzo I really see a taller Jimmer Fredette. Both have really unique and interesting skill sets but both are just too slow to make use of them in the NBA.
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Re: Las Vegas Summer league - July 7-17, 2017 

Post#602 » by whocurrz » Sat Jul 8, 2017 6:36 pm

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Kupchak9 wrote:Since John Wall has come to form there's been alot of electric guards with poor jumpers taken in the lottery. All of them played great in summer league, but have had a hard time adjusting.

2012: Austin Rivers (10)
2013: Victor Oladipo (2)
2014: Elfird Payton (10)
2015: Emmanuel Mudiay (7)
2016: Kris Dunn (5)

Dunn & Mudiay are the most recent prospects dubbed with the John Wall comp and both have been a bit underwhelming. Hopefully Fox can break the chain and make a name for himself. I don't think he has that nuclear athleticism that guys like Wall/Westbrook/Rose has, but he certainly plays with alot of poise. In fact, I think his mid-range game at his age is farther along than his predecessors at their times. At the bare minimum I see prime Devin Harris, and maybe even the upside to be Tony Parker-lite if all things fall right.


Love Fox's attitude and want him to succeed but honestly he's nothing like John Wall as far as a tier of a prospect IMO. Yeah he is quick and lacking shooting and went to UK but nowhere near the pure PG and smaller. Wall even in high school had very evident playmaking ability that was special. Given size, playmakin ability and athleticism I've actually thought he was one of the better number one prospects in a while for a one and done. Since him the only prospect I liked more was AD as Towns was good but a surprise. He was a really good prospect who got hated on because many people called Rose his floor right before Rose made a huge jump his MVP year. And the next year people fell in Love with Kyrie so Wall has been a bit underrrated or his potential skipped over a bit since. Fox is nowhere near the prospect Wall was coming out IMO. Not to say he can't be a great player but people who think he's on that level given the tools and skill set at the same age I think are very mistaken.


I think underrating fox if you think hes not close to wall as prospect. Hes better pure athlete than wall imho. Wall has the better size/dimensions than fox. Also fox jumpshot isnt good by any means but not bad. Bad would be like rondo rubio dunn..hes better shooter than those guys.


Even if Fox is a better athlete Wall was still close to elite in this regard with great size and an absolute blur in the open court. But the point of my post was that Wall in high school and college showed much better vision and playmaking than Fox. Not saying Fox isn't a good prospect but as far as an ideal PG prospect it doesn't get much better than Wall was
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Re: Las Vegas Summer league - July 7-17, 2017 

Post#603 » by RIPskaterdude » Sat Jul 8, 2017 8:33 pm

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Re: Las Vegas Summer league - July 7-17, 2017 

Post#604 » by Syd-TK3 » Sat Jul 8, 2017 8:41 pm

Kings, Lakers and Bulls pretty much got their starting lineups playing in summer league
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Post#605 » by FinNasty » Sat Jul 8, 2017 8:46 pm

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Out a game? Sure. But out a week due to a cramp? Hook the kid up to a damn IV and be done with it???
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Post#606 » by Repeat 3-peat » Sat Jul 8, 2017 8:46 pm

Syd-TK3 wrote:Kings, Lakers and Bulls pretty much got their starting lineups playing in summer league


Going for that repeat.
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Re: Las Vegas Summer league - July 7-17, 2017 

Post#607 » by BeatDaCavs420 » Sat Jul 8, 2017 8:52 pm

Markkanen​ looking solid so far!
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Post#608 » by Veyron » Sat Jul 8, 2017 8:52 pm

Dennis Smith playing atm ? How is he doing ?

Where can I see boxscore or something ?
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Post#609 » by sixerhp3 » Sat Jul 8, 2017 8:54 pm

Veyron wrote:Dennis Smith playing atm ? How is he doing ?

Where can I see boxscore or something ?


looking good has 7 points and had a couple of dimes. Playing hard and competitive but the 3 not going down.
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Post#610 » by Higgs Boston » Sat Jul 8, 2017 8:54 pm

Damn, Ingram vs Brown was one of the most interesting matchups in the SL. I hope he will return and play against an elite SF.
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Post#611 » by rate_ » Sat Jul 8, 2017 8:57 pm

Markkanen

1st Quarter: 9-5-0-0-0 | 90.0% TS

DSJ

1st Quarter: 8-2-1-0-0 | 54.6% TS
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Re: Las Vegas Summer league - July 7-17, 2017 

Post#612 » by MotownMadness » Sat Jul 8, 2017 9:10 pm

rate_ wrote:Markkanen

1st Quarter: 9-5-0-0-0 | 90.0% TS

DSJ

1st Quarter: 8-2-1-0-0 | 54.6% TS

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Re: Las Vegas Summer league - July 7-17, 2017 

Post#613 » by Prez » Sat Jul 8, 2017 9:11 pm

It's way too early, but this draft looks incredible so far.
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Re: Las Vegas Summer league - July 7-17, 2017 

Post#614 » by Illmatic12 » Sat Jul 8, 2017 9:35 pm

Pinkyring wrote:
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BigCuz wrote:Chris Paul is athletic?

My goodness.. please educate yourself on Chris Paul before his knee injury 2011

Fox is clearly a better NBA prospect than Ball. A point guard who can't get dribble penetration or create for himself is nearly useless, and it's not like Ball is a good defensive player either. Someone like Rubio manages to be a least an average starting PG only because of his strong defense

Ummmm chris paul has never been athletic like ever. He's an average athlete at best and has been since his days at wake

He absolutely was athletic. When Chris Paul came into the NBA, he was easily the quickest guard in the league along with Parker. He was a phenom in the uptempo offense with the Hornets.

You just exposed yourself that you weren't really following the NBA back then
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Post#615 » by JellosJigglin » Sat Jul 8, 2017 9:42 pm

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Out a game? Sure. But out a week due to a cramp? Hook the kid up to a damn IV and be done with it???


Ingram made it look easy. Continued on his growth post-ASB last season. Shut him down. No need to chance it.
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Post#616 » by Atmanne » Sat Jul 8, 2017 9:44 pm

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Post#617 » by heatwillbeback » Sat Jul 8, 2017 9:47 pm

BeatDaCavs420 wrote:Markkanen​ looking solid so far!


He looks excellent.

Kris Dunn on the other hand......
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Re: Las Vegas Summer league - July 7-17, 2017 

Post#618 » by Pinkyring » Sat Jul 8, 2017 9:48 pm

Illmatic12 wrote:
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Illmatic12 wrote:My goodness.. please educate yourself on Chris Paul before his knee injury 2011

Fox is clearly a better NBA prospect than Ball. A point guard who can't get dribble penetration or create for himself is nearly useless, and it's not like Ball is a good defensive player either. Someone like Rubio manages to be a least an average starting PG only because of his strong defense

Ummmm chris paul has never been athletic like ever. He's an average athlete at best and has been since his days at wake

He absolutely was athletic. When Chris Paul came into the NBA, he was easily the quickest guard in the league along with Parker. He was a phenom in the uptempo offense with the Hornets.

You just exposed yourself that you weren't really following the NBA back then

There's more to athleticism than quickness tony parker isnt and wasnt athletic either. To say because a guy is quick means he's athletic is absurd
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Re: Las Vegas Summer league - July 7-17, 2017 

Post#619 » by JWASH112 » Sat Jul 8, 2017 9:51 pm

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Man that ain't Chris Paul, That's Baron Davis in a Chris Paul jersey lol :lol:
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Re: Las Vegas Summer league - July 7-17, 2017 

Post#620 » by Illmatic12 » Sat Jul 8, 2017 9:56 pm

Pinkyring wrote:
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Pinkyring wrote:Ummmm chris paul has never been athletic like ever. He's an average athlete at best and has been since his days at wake

He absolutely was athletic. When Chris Paul came into the NBA, he was easily the quickest guard in the league along with Parker. He was a phenom in the uptempo offense with the Hornets.

You just exposed yourself that you weren't really following the NBA back then

There's more to athleticism than quickness tony parker isnt and wasnt athletic either. To say because a guy is quick means he's athletic is absurd

There's more to athleticism than jumping over people like Russell Westbrook, clearly you're not able to look past the fact that CP3 isn't some big leaper.

Peak Chris Paul had the quickest first step and change of direction of any guard on the league, and he was lightning fast on the fastbreak. But since he doesn't have a 7' wingspan and a 50" vertical he's an "average athlete".. lol

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