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Re: The MeloPause Trade Thread 

Post#241 » by EchelonNYK » Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:38 am

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nykfan42 wrote:What's the big deal if he isn't traded? I don't get why people are freaking out.


The guy in your avatar isn't going to have much growth as a player until he's allowed to be the primary option on offense.

Agreed. I'm just saying the proposals sucked. They have to do what's best for the team and KP. Taking on crappy contracts isn't one of them.


We are not getting back fair value for Melo.
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Post#242 » by drekwins » Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:40 am

Tron Carter wrote:fans cry incompetency but when this team finally shows some restraint in standing their ground and not giving up an asset for garbage ya'll still find reasons to bitch. unreal.


Couldn't agree more. Impressive stand that I didn't think they had in them. Melo's essentially on an expiring deal. There's no way that we should have to take back an overpaid worthless player on a longer contract. It makes zero sense. Our FO may be competent again... too early to tell.
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Re: The MeloPause Trade Thread 

Post#243 » by Tron Carter » Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:41 am

"but but melo's trade value is in the toilet we should just trade him for garbage"

that good 'ol peyote jackson logic.
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Re: The MeloPause Trade Thread 

Post#244 » by drekwins » Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:42 am

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nykfan42 wrote:
MP4LIFE wrote:
The guy in your avatar isn't going to have much growth as a player until he's allowed to be the primary option on offense.

Agreed. I'm just saying the proposals sucked. They have to do what's best for the team and KP. Taking on crappy contracts isn't one of them.


We are not getting back fair value for Melo.


Melo has 3 options:

1) Expand his list
2) Get a better offer
3) Stay and then opt out after this year

All 3 are better scenarios than what we were looking at.
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Re: The MeloPause Trade Thread 

Post#245 » by Juggynaut » Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:42 am

EchelonNYK wrote:
nykfan42 wrote:
MP4LIFE wrote:
The guy in your avatar isn't going to have much growth as a player until he's allowed to be the primary option on offense.

Agreed. I'm just saying the proposals sucked. They have to do what's best for the team and KP. Taking on crappy contracts isn't one of them.


We are not getting back fair value for Melo.


It isn't about fair value, it's about acceptable value. Would u trade Melo for Ryan Anderson straight up with no picks? If it's a **** offer like that it's better to keep him.
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Re: The MeloPause Trade Thread 

Post#246 » by K_ick_God » Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:42 am

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KnicksGod wrote:They think they need Ariza to have a shot against the Warriors. But what if Durant's foot gets hurt again? Make the move Morey.


they would trade Gordon before they trade Ariza...they need ariza's defense. Gordon is now a bench player at this point. CP3/Harden playing 40 minutes in playoffs where is gordon playing.

He might be the piece Morey wanted to hold onto that he can't.


You are probably right. ... CP3 gonna be unhappy lol.
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Re: The MeloPause Trade Thread 

Post#247 » by BernardKing » Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:42 am

I need Houston's 2020 first rounder, or he stays. This is no time to get shafted, especially by that prick Morey.
And screw the rest of the league as it's always been us against the world, with NY being universally hated by every other US city with their pathetic inferiority complexes.
It seems like everyone throws picks around, but you'll lose your membership to the "we silently resent/hate NY club" if one finds it's way to the Knicks in any deal.
Obviously I'm venting, but no pick, no deal. F**k Houston, F**k everyone.
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Re: The MeloPause Trade Thread 

Post#248 » by Jstarks3 » Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:42 am

camillepd wrote:Melo is not going to be traded to Houston. Melo will be traded to the Cavs for Love.


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Re: The MeloPause Trade Thread 

Post#249 » by Wolfgang630 » Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:42 am

Knick4Real wrote:LOL wow, some of you posters are hilarious.

You're crying that the front office didn't pull the trigger on a Melo trade (yet), but you have NO IDEA about the parameters of any deal or who/what might have been involved. LOL I swear, some of you could NEVER be a Real GM of ANY team.

Please remember, the front office is not operating for your entertainment or approval. This is real life, not fantasy basketball. For them to pause this deal means 1 of 3 things:

1.) The new GM wants to review all the details of every proposal in order to proceed with what's in the BEST possible interest of the franchise.

2.) The proposed deals were awful, needed to be reworked and revisited, and are being fixed as we speak -- again for what's in the BEST possible interest of the franchise.

3.) The new GM is putting teams on notice that there's a new sheriff in town and that if Houston or Cleveland wants our franchise player, THEY are going to have to pay for it, not the other way around.


So, somebody please explain to me why ANY of this is bad for the KNICKS??? Or is it just bad for your entertainment right now, because the front office is not playing their hand in public and you're not seeing what YOU want to see when YOU want to see it??? :noway: :crazy:

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Just like people can celebrate when Woj and crew are saying Melo is being traded they can react when they say he may not be traded. Nobody knows what deal is going on. It's the Knicks so I don't give them the benefit of the doubt.

I'd rather not waste yet another season of development for the young players. Every other team rebuilding from scratch seems to understand this, but some Knicks fans have this need to defend everything the Knicks do and try to rationalize them keeping Melo.
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Re: The MeloPause Trade Thread 

Post#250 » by BrOnXKing1 » Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:43 am

Find a way to get Rondo and Lets go
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Post#251 » by phatmanscoop » Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:45 am

with or without Melo do you think we would be able to lose more games then Pacers, Bulls, Nets, Jazz, Magic? I think even if we trade Melo we're still better than those Teams and that's not even considering we're in a weak conference and I'm sure there will be some West Teams losing a lot more games because of how stacked they are now.

We need to rebuild but that doesn't mean dumping Melo for Trash we'll be stuck in the same situation we are in now being a mediocre team winning 28-34 games and getting a 7 or 8 pick which usually don't pan out to be game changers. I would look more into getting expirings/picks and if Perry can step in and do that instead of taking on bad contracts that would set us back 3 years than I'm all for it. I'd rather have the cap flexibility to sign a game changer in a year or 2 while also developing our young talents like KP, Willy, Frank, THJR to entice a high end free agent or 2 with the preserved cap space. If Porzingis takes the next step and puts up 22-25 ppg depending on Melo leaving, THJR puts up 16-18 ppg, and Willy becomes a Solid Double-Double guy I can see us making a run at Russell Westbrook Next Year.

I'd also consider packaging Willy with Noah's contract in the future to try and get an expiring as I see KP playing best at the 5 spot with the new pace and space offense in the NBA. He is too slow to keep up with 4's and Willy can't guard 4's either. IF we can unload Noah and with O'quinn expiring next year as well we could probably try and sign 2 Max Players who want to play together since that's the way the NBA is shaping to be, we have to come up with enough Cap to get 2 MAX Players. While our young players are developing.

This can all be a moot point if we somehow win the lottery next year with the 8th worst record and end up with a Doncic/Porter as that will give us more time to rebuild because we wouldn't have to improve from the outside the organization.
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Re: The MeloPause Trade Thread 

Post#252 » by EchelonNYK » Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:46 am

BrOnXKing1 wrote:Find a way to get Rondo and Lets go


And get bumped in the first round? Fun times ahead.
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Re: The MeloPause Trade Thread 

Post#253 » by drekwins » Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:47 am

phatmanscoop wrote:with or without Melo do you think we would be able to lose more games then Pacers, Bulls, Nets, Jazz, Magic? I think even if we trade Melo we're still better than those Teams and that's not even considering we're in a weak conference and I'm sure there will be some West Teams losing a lot more games because of how stacked they are now.

We need to rebuild but that doesn't mean dumping Melo for Trash we'll be stuck in the same situation we are in now being a mediocre team winning 28-34 games and getting a 7 or 8 pick which usually don't pan out to be game changers. I would look more into getting expirings/picks and if Perry can step in and do that instead of taking on bad contracts that would set us back 3 years than I'm all for it. I'd rather have the cap flexibility to sign a game changer in a year or 2 while also developing our young talents like KP, Willy, Frank, THJR to entice a high end free agent or 2 with the preserved cap space. If Porzingis takes the next step and puts up 22-25 ppg depending on Melo leaving, THJR puts up 16-18 ppg, and Willy becomes a Solid Double-Double guy I can see us making a run at Russell Westbrook Next Year.

I'd also consider packaging Willy with Noah's contract in the future to try and get an expiring as I see KP playing best at the 5 spot with the new pace and space offense in the NBA. He is too slow to keep up with 4's and Willy can't guard 4's either. IF we can unload Noah and with O'quinn expiring next year as well we could probably try and sign 2 Max Players who want to play together since that's the way the NBA is shaping to be, we have to come up with enough Cap to get 2 MAX Players. While our young players are developing.

This can all be a moot point if we somehow win the lottery next year with the 8th worst record and end up with a Doncic/Porter as that will give us more time to rebuild because we wouldn't have to improve from the outside the organization.


Do you remember how bad we were last year? lol We also have an 18 year old PG with a language barrier. If Melo's our creator on offense, we're going to lose games with the best of 'em.
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Post#254 » by Wolfgang630 » Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:47 am

The point isn't tanking or not. It's the mentality of Melo around the team and him being the leader of the team still. It's about Melo will have to take the last minute shots. It's about Melo not wanting to play defense. You need a culture change or everyone will follow Melo. KP needs to be the leader now.

It doesn't matter if we get a top 5 pick with or without Melo. I want what the Sixers, Lakers and Minnesota are doing.
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Post#255 » by DowNY » Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:47 am

BrOnXKing1 wrote:Find a way to get Rondo and Lets go

He's not taking less than Ron Baker
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Post#256 » by EchelonNYK » Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:48 am

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Re: The MeloPause Trade Thread 

Post#257 » by Crunchknicks1 » Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:49 am

Rebuilding is ok but giving away a star for nothing is bad business. You have to stop doing stupid things as a knick front office. If we wait a year to pass Prozingis the team so be it. It's bad business to keep losing trades every year let's win one for once. If that mean keeping melo so be it. Just like we put our foot down on trading 1st round picks let's put our foot down on this as well. You want melo give us picks back. Or a young player cap releaf either or.
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Post#258 » by NOOB77 » Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:50 am

Lee or Melo needs to go for a PG they both can't be on the roster to start the season. Can't put the 71 mil dollar man on the bench.
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Post#259 » by mpharris36 » Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:51 am

NYKfan77 wrote:Lee or Melo needs to go for a PG they both can't be on the roster to start the season. Can't put the 71 mil dollar man on the bench.


the melo deal will happen, they are just firing off there last leverage play IMO.
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Post#260 » by phatmanscoop » Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:52 am

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phatmanscoop wrote:with or without Melo do you think we would be able to lose more games then Pacers, Bulls, Nets, Jazz, Magic? I think even if we trade Melo we're still better than those Teams and that's not even considering we're in a weak conference and I'm sure there will be some West Teams losing a lot more games because of how stacked they are now.

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I'd also consider packaging Willy with Noah's contract in the future to try and get an expiring as I see KP playing best at the 5 spot with the new pace and space offense in the NBA. He is too slow to keep up with 4's and Willy can't guard 4's either. IF we can unload Noah and with O'quinn expiring next year as well we could probably try and sign 2 Max Players who want to play together since that's the way the NBA is shaping to be, we have to come up with enough Cap to get 2 MAX Players. While our young players are developing.

This can all be a moot point if we somehow win the lottery next year with the 8th worst record and end up with a Doncic/Porter as that will give us more time to rebuild because we wouldn't have to improve from the outside the organization.


Do you remember how bad we were last year? lol We also have an 18 year old PG with a language barrier. If Melo's our creator on offense, we're going to lose games with the best of 'em.


1) Frank speaks fluent english
2) we won 31 games with an offense that the players did not understand
3) Rose is gone (Addition by subtraction)
4) Melo is one of the best offensive players in the NBA, we need to trade him to make sure we get a lottery pick, with him we're a fringe playoff team. Without him we're still better than the other lottery teams.

we're already in No Mans Land so we need to develop good young rotation players with our pick next year and the young talent we have now but need to improve through free Agency

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