Melo Trade Thread - Sorry Melo, these are the breaks

[newyorker4ever]

No they're not obligated but if he is not going anywhere then he needs to be presented with a compromise scenario where he remains a Knick in some capacity. If they don't pitch anything then it is sure to create an ugly situation with more rancor than anybody needs. If Melo doesn't see it that way then that's on him-- the Knicks would be the adult in the room having pitched him with a very reasonable scenario. Melo's brand would be hurt in the end, something his agent would counsel him on.

The team has stated publicly they want to go young and spend their entire wad on a young player. The team is currently capped out with quite a few younger players on it.

I really don't think they have to explain anything to Carmelo, action speaks louder than anything.

If Melo is here he needs to be explained why he has to be a 6th man and not be blindsided, which will only create rancor and a toxic situation that benefits nobody. I'm sure I am not the only one who sees it this way and if it's thinkable it's actionable. The only obstacle would be Melo himself, and if he sulks or pouts etc. it's a very bad look. When you have no leverage you have to find a way to compromise.

I disagree and think if Melo ends up back with the Knicks next year it would be time for both sides to act like adults and do their jobs. Melo goes straight back to being our starter at SF or PF and the FO do their jobs and we play basketball and hope something comes up for a good trade for both sides around the trade deadline. We don't put him on the bench and we don't make Carmelo Anthony our 6th man. All this talk from some of you saying we should bench him if he's back with us is ridiculous.


ACT LIKE ADULTS!!!!!!!!!

[VirginiaKnickFan]

If Melo is still a Knick at the start of the NBA season, then I will be taking a very long vacation from the Knicks and MSG will no longer be part of my cable package, because enough is enough.


Melo really needs add some more teams to his list and then the Rockets will stop playing hardball and give the Knicks what they want, so we can all move on.

You'll be back.

[god shammgod]

Every Melo Thread

Melo's a team killing cancer

No he's not, it's the FO's fault for not surrounding him with good talent

He's an inefficient chucker who could never have won a ring being the best player on a team

He shouldn't've forced a trade here

The FO didn't have to trade for him, they could've signed him in the offseason

Melo ran Lin/D'Antoni out of town

Re-posts article of Stat talking about Melo/Lin/D'Antoni

He's all about the money

He's about loyalty

We should Starbury him

If Melo's still here at the start of next season I'm done

it really is madness. we should probably ban anyone who talks about him after he's gone. on a related note, i'm hoping that every single person that posts here talks about him.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

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Come on LeBron, make that Cleveland happen.

[god shammgod]

i think a cleveland trade is more likely during the season. there seems to be some bad vibes with that team. i could see them struggling a bit the 1st 2 months and then be more into moving love.

[newyorker4ever]

i think a cleveland trade is more likely during the season. there seems to be some bad vibes with that team. i could see them struggling a bit the 1st 2 months and then be more into moving love.

As soon as they lose their first game to Boston they'll panic.

[King of Canada]

i think a cleveland trade is more likely during the season. there seems to be some bad vibes with that team. i could see them struggling a bit the 1st 2 months and then be more into moving love.

I think that the more they struggle the less likely they'd deal Love out of fear that Lebron leaves. When Lebron leaves they trade Love and rebuild around Kyrie.

[robillionaire]

I'm fine brining in Anderson for an assload of unprotected draft picks. It would be the nets Celtics heist all over again

Actually it would be nothing like the Celtics/Nets trade cause the Celtics got their picks from a team that was not only a lottery team every year but was one of the worst teams in the league if not the worst and Houston will be a top team which means our picks will be bottom of the 1st round.

And once Melo finishes his fizzle and cp3 breaks completely down horseface will only get them so far. We should start the picks in 2020 Melo and cp3 will be immobile by then

[aq_ua]

i think a cleveland trade is more likely during the season. there seems to be some bad vibes with that team. i could see them struggling a bit the 1st 2 months and then be more into moving love.

They still don't have a GM (besides LeBron) so no one's a$$ is on the line to win a chip this year. The only potential driver of change is Dan Gilbert's ego, but honestly I kinda get the sense he's already got his one trophy and happy with the status quo.

[newyorker4ever]

I'm fine brining in Anderson for an assload of unprotected draft picks. It would be the nets Celtics heist all over again

Actually it would be nothing like the Celtics/Nets trade cause the Celtics got their picks from a team that was not only a lottery team every year but was one of the worst teams in the league if not the worst and Houston will be a top team which means our picks will be bottom of the 1st round.

And once Melo finishes his fizzle and cp3 breaks completely down horseface will only get them so far. We should start the picks in 2020 Melo and cp3 will be immobile by then

Yeah teams need to be smart about who they trade for 1st round picks from. Ainge not only got a shyt ton of 1st round picks in the PP, KG, RA trade but he got those picks from a team that's been horrible since he made that trade so he's been getting top 3 picks from that trade and will probably get another one next year.

[Billy Goat]

If Melo went to management and said, I agree to a $20mm buyout including waiving my player option, I bet management would agree and he would be free to sign with whomever. Melo has a ton of control in this situation, but what he has is a ton of negative control and no positive control. The only way he can exert positive control is to offer a scenario to Knicks management that's compelling enough to take. Otherwise, the stare down will just continue.

I think Carmelo would still have to clear waivers in the event of a buyout(not totally certain) which would open him up to be claimed by any team, which is another wrinkle to this whole mess.

I agree with you though- it seems unlikely this stalemate goes anywhere unless Melo's willing to concede $$$- which I think at this point is unlikely. There are way too many parameters for this to not be a total nightmare.

[stuporman]

I thought LeBron is the defacto Cleveland GM all along.... get it done King Hairline....

[aq_ua]

If Melo went to management and said, I agree to a $20mm buyout including waiving my player option, I bet management would agree and he would be free to sign with whomever. Melo has a ton of control in this situation, but what he has is a ton of negative control and no positive control. The only way he can exert positive control is to offer a scenario to Knicks management that's compelling enough to take. Otherwise, the stare down will just continue.

I think Carmelo would still have to clear waivers in the event of a buyout(not totally certain) which would open him up to be claimed by any team, which is another wrinkle to this whole mess.

I agree with you though- it seems unlikely this stalemate goes anywhere unless Melo's willing to concede $$$- which I think at this point is unlikely. There are way too many parameters for this to not be a total nightmare.

Fair point, although I'm not sure if any team at this point has the cap space to absorb Melo in the event of a buyout (Phillie?), let alone one that would want to add an expensive and likely uncooperative veteran.

In any case, this is how I see our situation playing out with Melo.

- Perry will reach out to Melo and offer an olive branch in the form of a reset on the relationship and show a willingness to find a compromise
- Melo's camp will counter with the same position - trade Melo to the Rockets or Cavs, no matter the price
- Eventually, as training camp approaches, the concept of a buyout will resurface, but both sides will be far apart
- Melo's camp will publicly take the position that Melo is willing to stay with the team and help mentor the young talent. Behind closed doors, however, they will threaten to be disruptive if Melo isn't featured on the team and will resist the youth movement
- The dysfunction will persist into winter, and a constant cloud of passive aggressive uneasiness with hang over the team
- The Knicks will do their part in making conditions less attractive for Melo by trading away the veterans close to Melo like Lance Thomas and Courtney Lee, and buying out/stretching Joakim Noah
- Melo will do his part by demanding the ball and trying to bring the youth of the team onto his side
- Melo's camp will blink first and re-engage the Knicks on a buyout, leaving some of the money owed to Melo as part of the player option on the table
- Knicks will counter with a lower buyout figure but the gap will shrink
- Houston will sense that Melo might actually prefer Cleveland given the easier path to the finals in the East and suddenly be compelled to sweeten the trade offer to the Knicks by including young players/picks they acquired by trading away Trevor Ariza and Eric Gordon
- Knicks will finally consumate a trade with the Houston Rockets in the lead up to the trade deadline that returns mostly expiring contracts but a couple of useful young players and a few future draft picks (mostly seconds)
- Knicks fans will complain about the haul

[Crunchknicks1]

Yea no melo traded before the season

[taj2133]

dolan isn't paying melo a buyout he can suffer for a year and this organization haven't done buyouts to hardly anybody before

[kane2021]

Really gotta give the Knicks credit for once. Pulling back from trade talks has exposed the situation for what it really is. Dude asked for a trade. Can't blame Phil no more. We asked him to stay and he said get me out of here.

Let him go tell the rockets to do what ever it takes to get him like Denver let him tell us. I've changed my tune. Ride this **** until the seams bust. I don't care. They all need it more than we do.


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[VirginiaKnickFan]

If Melo went to management and said, I agree to a $20mm buyout including waiving my player option, I bet management would agree and he would be free to sign with whomever. Melo has a ton of control in this situation, but what he has is a ton of negative control and no positive control. The only way he can exert positive control is to offer a scenario to Knicks management that's compelling enough to take. Otherwise, the stare down will just continue.

I think Carmelo would still have to clear waivers in the event of a buyout(not totally certain) which would open him up to be claimed by any team, which is another wrinkle to this whole mess.

I agree with you though- it seems unlikely this stalemate goes anywhere unless Melo's willing to concede $$$- which I think at this point is unlikely. There are way too many parameters for this to not be a total nightmare.

Fair point, although I'm not sure if any team at this point has the cap space to absorb Melo in the event of a buyout (Phillie?), let alone one that would want to add an expensive and likely uncooperative veteran.

In any case, this is how I see our situation playing out with Melo.

- Perry will reach out to Melo and offer an olive branch in the form of a reset on the relationship and show a willingness to find a compromise
- Melo's camp will counter with the same position - trade Melo to the Rockets or Cavs, no matter the price
- Eventually, as training camp approaches, the concept of a buyout will resurface, but both sides will be far apart
- Melo's camp will publicly take the position that Melo is willing to stay with the team and help mentor the young talent. Behind closed doors, however, they will threaten to be disruptive if Melo isn't featured on the team and will resist the youth movement
- The dysfunction will persist into winter, and a constant cloud of passive aggressive uneasiness with hang over the team
- The Knicks will do their part in making conditions less attractive for Melo by trading away the veterans close to Melo like Lance Thomas and Courtney Lee, and buying out/stretching Joakim Noah
- Melo will do his part by demanding the ball and trying to bring the youth of the team onto his side
- Melo's camp will blink first and re-engage the Knicks on a buyout, leaving some of the money owed to Melo as part of the player option on the table
- Knicks will counter with a lower buyout figure but the gap will shrink
- Houston will sense that Melo might actually prefer Cleveland given the easier path to the finals in the East and suddenly be compelled to sweeten the trade offer to the Knicks by including young players/picks they acquired by trading away Trevor Ariza and Eric Gordon
- Knicks will finally consumate a trade with the Houston Rockets in the lead up to the trade deadline that returns mostly expiring contracts but a couple of useful young players and a few future draft picks (mostly seconds)
- Knicks fans will complain about the haul

That was a foregone conclusion.

[Crunchknicks1]

At this point if they get a young player and expiring and or a starter of any kind I'm happy. Just don't want Anderson.

[Rotten Apple]

I've retired from Melo debates. Everything has been said, there's nothing new to talk about at this point.

[dakomish23]

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The best part is Ohm's reaction to moron Knicks fans tweeting him begging for Melo to leave & calling him a cancer. His response was pretty much are you crazy. This organization is the cancer and has treated him like trash the last 6 months. Melo owes them nothing after all this.

They're right.

It's good to know logical people can see Melo for what he is and see this post apocalyptic wasteland of a franchise for what it is.

Did anyone bring up Melo running coaches and players off and not trying to change his game to fit what the coaches wanted to run? Or anything about the only teams Melo will accept a trade to are teams that have nothing to give us in a return?? Or was it only that Phil publicly said the ball stops when Melo gets it?? What else did Melo have to go through besides Phil saying that and openly saying he'd be better off on a team he can have a chance to win with??

You mean did they bring up

a coach (singular) quitting?

A player not suiting up for the playoffs so he can get paid?

A player asked to run an antiquated system that almost nobody else wanted to run since it didn't fit the personnel, even though he ran it the year before and didn't say a word?

Nope. They didn't mention that.

Here's what they mentioned:

A list of teams that he would choose to waive his NTC for, something the Knicks gave to him, who will be contenders, after spending years watching this crap franchise spiral into irrelevance.

The 6+ months of bashing in public without anything but a professional response from Melo.

How terribly run this franchise has been outside the 3 years when we first traded for Melo