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Post#1941 » by Mattya » Wed Aug 2, 2017 3:25 pm

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Mattya wrote:Thanks for admitting that. Blame Wiggins agent. I know it's shocking concept that people have conflicting schedules.

1. Looks like you don't understand green font.
2. I'm fine with going on the record saying Wiggins will never be worth a max contract while Towns and Butler are on the team.
3. Wiggins and his agent have only known about the date to sign a 100+ million dollar contract since Wiggins was drafted #1, so yes, I find it a little puzzling that he nor his agent had carved out time to get this done, it's only been on their schedule for a few years. Kinda makes me think the max wasn't being offered hence Wiggins' party not being around to deal with the owner till the max was being offered.


I just don't care about the font color. The text is all I needed. So again thanks.

Sounds like a lot of assumptions. It's been a month since free agency started. In that time they have been trying to convince any quality free agent they can to come here. It's only been within the past couple weeks that Wiggins contract extension has come up. In that time Wiggins has been overseas and in Vegas on Adidas promotions. Who knows how many other free agents his agent has been working with or whatever business dealings he has. We have no idea Glen Taylor's schedule. So to assume so much based on so little time between a report and an actual signing seems a bit nuts to me.
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Re: The Andrew Wiggins Thread 

Post#1942 » by Foye » Wed Aug 2, 2017 3:47 pm

C.lupus wrote:I don't get the need to create controversy out of nothing. smh


Same here.
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Re: The Andrew Wiggins Thread 

Post#1943 » by AirP. » Wed Aug 2, 2017 4:24 pm

Mattya wrote:
AirP. wrote:
Mattya wrote:Thanks for admitting that. Blame Wiggins agent. I know it's shocking concept that people have conflicting schedules.

1. Looks like you don't understand green font.
2. I'm fine with going on the record saying Wiggins will never be worth a max contract while Towns and Butler are on the team.
3. Wiggins and his agent have only known about the date to sign a 100+ million dollar contract since Wiggins was drafted #1, so yes, I find it a little puzzling that he nor his agent had carved out time to get this done, it's only been on their schedule for a few years. Kinda makes me think the max wasn't being offered hence Wiggins' party not being around to deal with the owner till the max was being offered.


I just don't care about the font color. The text is all I needed. So again thanks.

Sounds like a lot of assumptions. It's been a month since free agency started. In that time they have been trying to convince any quality free agent they can to come here. It's only been within the past couple weeks that Wiggins contract extension has come up. In that time Wiggins has been overseas and in Vegas on Adidas promotions. Who knows how many other free agents his agent has been working with or whatever business dealings he has. We have no idea Glen Taylor's schedule. So to assume so much based on so little time between a report and an actual signing seems a bit nuts to me.

You don't understand green is sarcasm, noted. The extension has been a known for years, the addition of Butler changes the variables for Minnesota. Before the trade yes, Minnesota had to bet on Towns, Wiggins and possibly LaVine being max players and hoping they all or at least 2 of them would be great values at their price. That I absolutely get. Replacing LaVine with Butler changed that, you have a body of work with Butler to expect a certain level of play from him(I'd say very few Minnesota fans really understand how good Butler is). Towns showed a lot of growth last year, LaVine and Wiggins in my opinion didn't, in fact they were basically the same or worse their 3rd year vs their 2nd year but got more shots.

If Wiggins' had made some real progress on his defense sure, he'd probably be worth the gamble.

Let me say this, if Wiggins doesn't improve by a decent amount, he will hurt the team at the end of games. Just going off how good players were at the end of last year, Wiggins is the 3rd best scorer behind Towns and Butler and defensively he's 4th or 5th depending on where you want to put Towns at. Towns just happens to be a super efficient high scoring big man. Butler's an efficient scoring 2 way wing, Teague is a solid 2 way PG and PF will be a defender in Dieng or Gibson. If Wiggins' defense doesn't get better he may be actually hurt the team being on the court IF there is a defense wing on the roster. Before Butler yes, you run your offense through Towns and Wiggins, after adding Butler you don't. It'll be interesting to see how people view the players and their contracts(and upcoming contracts) next summer.

These are just opinions that won't be validated or shown to be wrong for another 8-9 months.
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Re: The Andrew Wiggins Thread 

Post#1944 » by fattymcgee » Wed Aug 2, 2017 5:22 pm

AirP. wrote:
Mattya wrote:
AirP. wrote:1. Looks like you don't understand green font.
2. I'm fine with going on the record saying Wiggins will never be worth a max contract while Towns and Butler are on the team.
3. Wiggins and his agent have only known about the date to sign a 100+ million dollar contract since Wiggins was drafted #1, so yes, I find it a little puzzling that he nor his agent had carved out time to get this done, it's only been on their schedule for a few years. Kinda makes me think the max wasn't being offered hence Wiggins' party not being around to deal with the owner till the max was being offered.


I just don't care about the font color. The text is all I needed. So again thanks.

Sounds like a lot of assumptions. It's been a month since free agency started. In that time they have been trying to convince any quality free agent they can to come here. It's only been within the past couple weeks that Wiggins contract extension has come up. In that time Wiggins has been overseas and in Vegas on Adidas promotions. Who knows how many other free agents his agent has been working with or whatever business dealings he has. We have no idea Glen Taylor's schedule. So to assume so much based on so little time between a report and an actual signing seems a bit nuts to me.

You don't understand green is sarcasm, noted. The extension has been a known for years, the addition of Butler changes the variables for Minnesota. Before the trade yes, Minnesota had to bet on Towns, Wiggins and possibly LaVine being max players and hoping they all or at least 2 of them would be great values at their price. That I absolutely get. Replacing LaVine with Butler changed that, you have a body of work with Butler to expect a certain level of play from him(I'd say very few Minnesota fans really understand how good Butler is). Towns showed a lot of growth last year, LaVine and Wiggins in my opinion didn't, in fact they were basically the same or worse their 3rd year vs their 2nd year but got more shots.

If Wiggins' had made some real progress on his defense sure, he'd probably be worth the gamble.

Let me say this, if Wiggins doesn't improve by a decent amount, he will hurt the team at the end of games. Just going off how good players were at the end of last year, Wiggins is the 3rd best scorer behind Towns and Butler and defensively he's 4th or 5th depending on where you want to put Towns at. Towns just happens to be a super efficient high scoring big man. Butler's an efficient scoring 2 way wing, Teague is a solid 2 way PG and PF will be a defender in Dieng or Gibson. If Wiggins' defense doesn't get better he may be actually hurt the team being on the court IF there is a defense wing on the roster. Before Butler yes, you run your offense through Towns and Wiggins, after adding Butler you don't. It'll be interesting to see how people view the players and their contracts(and upcoming contracts) next summer.

These are just opinions that won't be validated or shown to be wrong for another 8-9 months.


I'm pretty sure sarcasm is supposed to be shown in black font.
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Post#1945 » by Crazy-Canuck » Wed Aug 2, 2017 5:28 pm

Wiggins sure gets slot of attention for a supposed scrub.
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Re: The Andrew Wiggins Thread 

Post#1946 » by Mattya » Wed Aug 2, 2017 5:30 pm

AirP. wrote:
Mattya wrote:
AirP. wrote:1. Looks like you don't understand green font.
2. I'm fine with going on the record saying Wiggins will never be worth a max contract while Towns and Butler are on the team.
3. Wiggins and his agent have only known about the date to sign a 100+ million dollar contract since Wiggins was drafted #1, so yes, I find it a little puzzling that he nor his agent had carved out time to get this done, it's only been on their schedule for a few years. Kinda makes me think the max wasn't being offered hence Wiggins' party not being around to deal with the owner till the max was being offered.


I just don't care about the font color. The text is all I needed. So again thanks.

Sounds like a lot of assumptions. It's been a month since free agency started. In that time they have been trying to convince any quality free agent they can to come here. It's only been within the past couple weeks that Wiggins contract extension has come up. In that time Wiggins has been overseas and in Vegas on Adidas promotions. Who knows how many other free agents his agent has been working with or whatever business dealings he has. We have no idea Glen Taylor's schedule. So to assume so much based on so little time between a report and an actual signing seems a bit nuts to me.

You don't understand green is sarcasm, noted. The extension has been a known for years, the addition of Butler changes the variables for Minnesota. Before the trade yes, Minnesota had to bet on Towns, Wiggins and possibly LaVine being max players and hoping they all or at least 2 of them would be great values at their price. That I absolutely get. Replacing LaVine with Butler changed that, you have a body of work with Butler to expect a certain level of play from him(I'd say very few Minnesota fans really understand how good Butler is). Towns showed a lot of growth last year, LaVine and Wiggins in my opinion didn't, in fact they were basically the same or worse their 3rd year vs their 2nd year but got more shots.

If Wiggins' had made some real progress on his defense sure, he'd probably be worth the gamble.

Let me say this, if Wiggins doesn't improve by a decent amount, he will hurt the team at the end of games. Just going off how good players were at the end of last year, Wiggins is the 3rd best scorer behind Towns and Butler and defensively he's 4th or 5th depending on where you want to put Towns at. Towns just happens to be a super efficient high scoring big man. Butler's an efficient scoring 2 way wing, Teague is a solid 2 way PG and PF will be a defender in Dieng or Gibson. If Wiggins' defense doesn't get better he may be actually hurt the team being on the court IF there is a defense wing on the roster. Before Butler yes, you run your offense through Towns and Wiggins, after adding Butler you don't. It'll be interesting to see how people view the players and their contracts(and upcoming contracts) next summer.

These are just opinions that won't be validated or shown to be wrong for another 8-9 months.


I don't even know who you are having a discussion with at this point. You just seem to be posting to read your own post.
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Re: The Andrew Wiggins Thread 

Post#1947 » by Mattya » Wed Aug 2, 2017 5:31 pm

fattymcgee wrote:
AirP. wrote:
Mattya wrote:
I just don't care about the font color. The text is all I needed. So again thanks.

Sounds like a lot of assumptions. It's been a month since free agency started. In that time they have been trying to convince any quality free agent they can to come here. It's only been within the past couple weeks that Wiggins contract extension has come up. In that time Wiggins has been overseas and in Vegas on Adidas promotions. Who knows how many other free agents his agent has been working with or whatever business dealings he has. We have no idea Glen Taylor's schedule. So to assume so much based on so little time between a report and an actual signing seems a bit nuts to me.

You don't understand green is sarcasm, noted. The extension has been a known for years, the addition of Butler changes the variables for Minnesota. Before the trade yes, Minnesota had to bet on Towns, Wiggins and possibly LaVine being max players and hoping they all or at least 2 of them would be great values at their price. That I absolutely get. Replacing LaVine with Butler changed that, you have a body of work with Butler to expect a certain level of play from him(I'd say very few Minnesota fans really understand how good Butler is). Towns showed a lot of growth last year, LaVine and Wiggins in my opinion didn't, in fact they were basically the same or worse their 3rd year vs their 2nd year but got more shots.

If Wiggins' had made some real progress on his defense sure, he'd probably be worth the gamble.

Let me say this, if Wiggins doesn't improve by a decent amount, he will hurt the team at the end of games. Just going off how good players were at the end of last year, Wiggins is the 3rd best scorer behind Towns and Butler and defensively he's 4th or 5th depending on where you want to put Towns at. Towns just happens to be a super efficient high scoring big man. Butler's an efficient scoring 2 way wing, Teague is a solid 2 way PG and PF will be a defender in Dieng or Gibson. If Wiggins' defense doesn't get better he may be actually hurt the team being on the court IF there is a defense wing on the roster. Before Butler yes, you run your offense through Towns and Wiggins, after adding Butler you don't. It'll be interesting to see how people view the players and their contracts(and upcoming contracts) next summer.

These are just opinions that won't be validated or shown to be wrong for another 8-9 months.


I'm pretty sure sarcasm is supposed to be shown in black font.


Any sarcasm worth anything doesn't need green font.
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Re: The Andrew Wiggins Thread 

Post#1948 » by Crazy-Canuck » Wed Aug 2, 2017 6:15 pm

Damn, someone claiming that wiggs is no better than an undrafted rookie who should be playing overseas.

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Re: The Andrew Wiggins Thread 

Post#1949 » by Calinks » Wed Aug 2, 2017 6:18 pm

The max worries me. But as long as this doesn't screw with maxing Towns I am ok.
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Post#1950 » by AirP. » Wed Aug 2, 2017 6:35 pm

Crazy-Canuck wrote:Wiggins sure gets slot of attention for a supposed scrub.

Not sure anyone has said that. Just because someone thinks a player at the max may not be a good value doesn't mean they're calling them a scrub.
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Post#1951 » by mplsfonz23 » Wed Aug 2, 2017 7:12 pm

AirP. wrote:
Crazy-Canuck wrote:Wiggins sure gets slot of attention for a supposed scrub.

Not sure anyone has said that. Just because someone thinks a player at the max may not be a good value doesn't mean they're calling them a scrub.


Well over on the big board they are calling him a "subpar role player." :crazy:
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Post#1952 » by Takingbaconback » Wed Aug 2, 2017 8:05 pm

Lol they are so jealous. I don't know how you can think that way if you actually watched him play. And they just spew advanced stats, I thought they would be gone for a while :banghead:
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Post#1953 » by theGreatRC » Wed Aug 2, 2017 9:43 pm

Calinks wrote:The max worries me. But as long as this doesn't screw with maxing Towns I am ok.


Yeah, Shrink posted it in another thread, but you can have two max guys for 5 years that are coming off rookie contracts.

I think I also saw that you can max a vet on top of that(not sure)so 3 max guys on our team in 3 years? That's a little scary
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Post#1954 » by big3_8_19_21 » Wed Aug 2, 2017 9:55 pm

I mean if Otto Porter is getting a max contract...
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Post#1955 » by Neeva » Wed Aug 2, 2017 10:07 pm

mplsfonz23 wrote:
AirP. wrote:
Crazy-Canuck wrote:Wiggins sure gets slot of attention for a supposed scrub.

Not sure anyone has said that. Just because someone thinks a player at the max may not be a good value doesn't mean they're calling them a scrub.


Well over on the big board they are calling him a "subpar role player." :crazy:


Well until he does more than score that's what he is.
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Post#1956 » by Avihs7 » Wed Aug 2, 2017 10:41 pm

big3_8_19_21 wrote:I mean if Otto Porter is getting a max contract...

According to the GENERAL BOARD wiggins isnt even close to Otto Porters level
Lmao Wiggens is hands down the most hated on player in basketball today on these boards
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Post#1957 » by Neeva » Wed Aug 2, 2017 11:03 pm

Avihs7 wrote:
big3_8_19_21 wrote:I mean if Otto Porter is getting a max contract...

According to the GENERAL BOARD wiggins isnt even close to Otto Porters level
Lmao Wiggens is hands down the most hated on player in basketball today on these boards

Kat doesn't get ANY hate, so it's not a wolves thing
People just don't like Wiggins non charismatic personality and overhype!
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Post#1958 » by Calinks » Thu Aug 3, 2017 3:14 am

Wiggins is in a great position to change all of hate this season. Then it will shift to another up and comer like Ball if he disappoints or Embiid if he gets hurt gain or something.
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Post#1959 » by southern wolf » Thu Aug 3, 2017 6:40 am

Calinks wrote:The max worries me. But as long as this doesn't screw with maxing Towns I am ok.


This is pretty much my view on it all. Wiggins has his flaws and this contract looks like a lot right now, but if he can become a more well rounded player and continue to improve his scoring like he has it'll be worth it. I worry about his mindset and attitude sometimes, but maybe we're judging him too harshly cause he's KAT's sidekick and KAT is about as determined as they come.
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Post#1960 » by Darrenjohnsr89 » Thu Aug 3, 2017 7:50 am

Wiggins is worth the max an will be better in the future then butler and kyrie are today. Anyone who says hes not worth the extension doesnt watch him night in an night out. The kids 21 and doing big things already

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