Kyrie Trade Discussion Continued

[Nuggets_Talk]

Didn't say the Cavs want only those players, but that Denver is taking them off the table without even making a legit offer of anyone else they have.
These orgs are not getting Irving with that weak stuff.

to be fair, we dont know what denver is or isnt offering. these are all just rumors.

I'm amazed at how many people don't get this.

im amazed that you dont realize that this realgm forum is filled with actual GMs and front office personnel who know exactly what each team wants and/or is offering.

[Christine-In-AZ]

No chance the Cavs can get Jackson. I bet the most PHX is willing to offer is Bledsoe, Warren, Bender

Ok, then the Suns dont get Kyrie. Thats how this works. Again, the Suns hold 0 card in any trade negotiations. Either give the Cavs their asking price or go into next season with the youngest team in the world trying to win 35 games.

Suns are, and have been shopping Bledsoe. Lebron is a Bledsoe fan. That's a card.

Just say "no" to Irving PHX. Bad ju-ju

[Cavaliers2]

Ok, then the Cavs don't trade Kyrie. That's how this works. Again, the Cavs hold 0 card in any trade negotiations. Disgruntled player that demanded a trade won't be good for the locker room. The Cavs lost leverage when it became public that Kyrie doesn't want to be there. Look at what Jimmy Butler and Paul George were traded for. That's very similar to what the Cavs will get.

Wrong, if you read my previous posts the Cavs hold all the cards. If they dont get the trade they like, they tell Kyrie to report to came and do their best to smooth things over. Hes under contract for 2 more years, the Cavs dont HAVE to do anything. As far as you and I are concerned, Kyrie will be a Cleveland Cavalier until 2020.

What could possibly go wrong when ownership decides to bring back a player who publically demanded a trade during the offseason?

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If you think that Kyrie is gonna start fighting/choking people on the sideline then I guess it makes sense why Suns fans don't want him. But I think Markieff Morris choking a teammate has as little to do with this situation as Kobe Bryant demanding a trade and then not being traded does.

[gaspar]

Ok, then the Suns dont get Kyrie. Thats how this works. Again, the Suns hold 0 card in any trade negotiations. Either give the Cavs their asking price or go into next season with the youngest team in the world trying to win 35 games.

Ok, then the Cavs don't trade Kyrie. That's how this works. Again, the Cavs hold 0 card in any trade negotiations. Disgruntled player that demanded a trade won't be good for the locker room. The Cavs lost leverage when it became public that Kyrie doesn't want to be there. Look at what Jimmy Butler and Paul George were traded for. That's very similar to what the Cavs will get.

Wrong, if you read my previous posts the Cavs hold all the cards. If they dont get the trade they like, they tell Kyrie to report to came and do their best to smooth things over. Hes under contract for 2 more years, the Cavs dont HAVE to do anything. As far as you and I are concerned, Kyrie will be a Cleveland Cavalier until 2020.

I don't think that's an option at all.

[Nuggets_Talk]

im fairly confident its not in the cavs best interest to bring kyrie back to camp (assuming these stories are all true). both short and long term. I may be wrong, maybe kyrie didnt really demand a trade, all these stories are made up and he will report to cleveland in a good mood.

but in case he really does want out, not making a trade before training camp isnt a good idea.

who owns that card? I think it must be cleveland since they own all of them, but something doesnt seem right.

[bwgood77]

If I'm any team involved in this, there is zero reason to rush into anything. As far as Cleveland is concerned, if I was the GM, I would not cave in to an offer I didn't think was enough. I would even start the season with him. I don't know or think that they will, necessarily, but I think since the timing of his trade request was so poor, that there could be better offers later. I also wouldn't be surprised if there are many teams in the mix that are not even being talked about.

The same goes with the Suns...I wouldn't give up much for him, if GM, because I think he leaves in a couple of years and it is somewhat pointless, given where the team is at. I think there is near zero chance he would stay. Bledsoe is a FA then too, but I'd prefer deal him for something that fits the team's long term goals better. If the Suns knew they had him for 5-7 years, it's worth giving up a bit, but not under these circumstances.

Not that Sarver will agree. McDonough, who was just extended for 3 years, and they had a press conference telling fans it would take time and we will develop our players, would be best served to sit this one out. Sarver may influence him to do otherwise...so nothing will surprise me if a trade goes down, but I wouldn't pull the trigger on one.

[collidingNeurons]

If I'm any team involved in this, there is zero reason to rush into anything. As far as Cleveland in concerned, if I was the GM, I would not cave in to an offer I didn't think was enough. I would even start the season with him. I don't know or think that they will, necessarily, but I think since the timing of his trade request was so poor, that there could be better offers later. I also wouldn't be surprised if there are many teams in the mix that are not even being talked about.

The same goes with the Suns...I wouldn't give up much for him, if GM, because I think he leaves in a couple of years and it is somewhat pointless, given where the team is at. I think there is near zero chance he would stay. Bledsoe is a FA then too, but I'd prefer deal him for something that fits the team's long term goals better. If the Suns knew they had him for 5-7 years, it's worth giving up a bit, but not under these circumstances.

Not that Sarver will agree. McDonough, who was just extended for 3 years, and they had a press conference telling fans it would take time and we will develop our players, would be best served to sit this one out. Sarver may influence him to do otherwise...so nothing will surprise me if a trade goes down, but I wouldn't pull the trigger on one.

im in pretty much full agreement with you on your main points, i dont believe either Kyrie or Bledsoe will be in Sun uniform once their contracts are up and i am completely fine with that. The Suns only hurt them self by acquiring win now pieces at this stage in their rebuild if they are giving up blue chip prospects such as Jackson and potentially a top five pick in next years Draft

On top of which i think Kyrie is over rated a bit due to exposure and sports center type highlights and Bledsoe is a bit under rated for the lack of them, Basketball is played on both sides of the court and where a Kyrie is a far better scorer he is a far worse defender and in my opinion i think bledsoe fits with both the cavs and the Suns better than Kyrie does

[Nuggets_Talk]

denver and phoenix should forget cleveland and trade with each other. if they want to trade bledsoe, he would fit well in denver.

[collidingNeurons]

denver and phoenix should forget cleveland and trade with each other. if they want to trade bledsoe, he would fit well in denver.

If only you had kept your Draft pick and drafted Donovan Mitchel i'd be very much in favor of that.

[Christine-In-AZ]

If I'm any team involved in this, there is zero reason to rush into anything. As far as Cleveland in concerned, if I was the GM, I would not cave in to an offer I didn't think was enough. I would even start the season with him. I don't know or think that they will, necessarily, but I think since the timing of his trade request was so poor, that there could be better offers later. I also wouldn't be surprised if there are many teams in the mix that are not even being talked about.

The same goes with the Suns...I wouldn't give up much for him, if GM, because I think he leaves in a couple of years and it is somewhat pointless, given where the team is at. I think there is near zero chance he would stay. Bledsoe is a FA then too, but I'd prefer deal him for something that fits the team's long term goals better. If the Suns knew they had him for 5-7 years, it's worth giving up a bit, but not under these circumstances.

Not that Sarver will agree. McDonough, who was just extended for 3 years, and they had a press conference telling fans it would take time and we will develop our players, would be best served to sit this one out. Sarver may influence him to do otherwise...so nothing will surprise me if a trade goes down, but I wouldn't pull the trigger on one.

If something doesn't go down in the next couple days, it would probably serve all teams to wait until early December...pick it up from there. Post December 15 so many more players are in play. Maybe the ginourmous cavs-knicks-rockets-suns 12 player, 3 pick deal will just have to wait until then. (sigh)



Say "no" to Irving PHX

[Nuggets_Talk]

denver and phoenix should forget cleveland and trade with each other. if they want to trade bledsoe, he would fit well in denver.

If only you had kept your Draft pick and drafted Donovan Mitchel i'd be very much in favor of that.

bummer - terrible draft day trade we made.

always take BPA. forget positions.

[bwgood77]

denver and phoenix should forget cleveland and trade with each other. if they want to trade bledsoe, he would fit well in denver.

I think Bledsoe would be a good fit in Denver and I think they offered the 13th pick for him. I'd trade him for Harris (who I think is one of the more underrated players in the league) and Nelson and maybe Mudiay but I don't know what trade package makes total sense. Harris doesn't totally fit, but I like what he brings..the bad thing for the Suns is they could have drafted him (I was hoping they did) and passed on him for Ennis.

[collidingNeurons]

denver and phoenix should forget cleveland and trade with each other. if they want to trade bledsoe, he would fit well in denver.

I think Bledsoe would be a good fit in Denver and I think they offered the 13th pick for him. I'd trade him for Harris (who I think is one of the more underrated players in the league) and Nelson and maybe Mudiay but I don't know what trade package makes total sense. Harris doesn't totally fit, but I like what he brings..the bad thing for the Suns is they could have drafted him (I was hoping they did) and passed on him for Ennis.

yeah that was bad in hindsight, but not quite as bad as passing on Leonard because he sweat too much in their workouts

[Mr Puddles]

Wrong, if you read my previous posts the Cavs hold all the cards. If they dont get the trade they like, they tell Kyrie to report to came and do their best to smooth things over. Hes under contract for 2 more years, the Cavs dont HAVE to do anything. As far as you and I are concerned, Kyrie will be a Cleveland Cavalier until 2020.

What could possibly go wrong when ownership decides to bring back a player who publically demanded a trade during the offseason?

Watch on YouTube

If you think that Kyrie is gonna start fighting/choking people on the sideline then I guess it makes sense why Suns fans don't want him. But I think Markieff Morris choking a teammate has as little to do with this situation as Kobe Bryant demanding a trade and then not being traded does.

If you watched Markieff Morris in his last (half) season with the Suns, it was evident that he couldn't care less at best and was a nuisance at worst. He gave minimal effort and went from being one of our best players to a liability on the floor overnight. Then he miraculously rediscovered his game and continued to be his old self in Washington.

I guess all I'm saying is that I'm not as confident as you are that things can just be smoothed over and that bringing a player back after he's demanded a trade will have no negative impact on the team's chemistry.

[lars_rosenberg]

I like the fit in Denver. Jokic runs the offense, so Kyrie's limits as a playmaker wouldn't hurt. It would be a situation similar to Cleveland, but Kyrie would have more offensive spotlight. Jokic would give him so many good looks that he would average 30ppg. If they manage to get him while keeping at least one of Murray and Gary Harris, the Nuggets would be a contender.

[Jack Dempsey]

Ok, then the Suns dont get Kyrie. Thats how this works. Again, the Suns hold 0 card in any trade negotiations. Either give the Cavs their asking price or go into next season with the youngest team in the world trying to win 35 games.

Ok, then the Cavs don't trade Kyrie. That's how this works. Again, the Cavs hold 0 card in any trade negotiations. Disgruntled player that demanded a trade won't be good for the locker room. The Cavs lost leverage when it became public that Kyrie doesn't want to be there. Look at what Jimmy Butler and Paul George were traded for. That's very similar to what the Cavs will get.

Wrong, if you read my previous posts the Cavs hold all the cards. If they dont get the trade they like, they tell Kyrie to report to came and do their best to smooth things over. Hes under contract for 2 more years, the Cavs dont HAVE to do anything. As far as you and I are concerned, Kyrie will be a Cleveland Cavalier until 2020.

Then why don't they just break off all the trade talks involving Kyrie and keep him in the first place? Can they get a better player/fit/package in return for him? I highly doubt it.

Another question, what teams are desperate trading for Irving? Are there any at all? Maybe the Knicks? But they can't really offer that much. I could see him being a good fit in Denver as well but they don't seem to be willing to give up that much. But in the end, all of them would be fine missing on him. Cleveland is in a bad position right now, teams are going to low ball them and the only two options will be to keep a digruntled Superstar that could ruin your team chemistry or to trade him for the best offer.

[BasketballFan7]

You don't have to actually plan on keeping Kyrie if you make him go to camp, but it's important to do nevertheless if Cleveland is receiving poor offers. Opposing teams are also feeling that Cleveland is under pressure to make a deal sooner rather than later. Cleveland has to continue to behave nonchalantly for the time-being.

[BasketballFan7]

I like the fit in Denver. Jokic runs the offense, so Kyrie's limits as a playmaker wouldn't hurt. It would be a situation similar to Cleveland, but Kyrie would have more offensive spotlight. Jokic would give him so many good looks that he would average 30ppg. If they manage to get him while keeping at least one of Murray and Gary Harris, the Nuggets would be a contender.

Yep, the fit in Denver would be fantastic if they could pry the ball out of Kyrie's hands enough and into Jokic's. Murray and Chandler is a decent haul but, again, it leaves the Cavs in tatters at PG.

[Jack Dempsey]

I like the fit in Denver. Jokic runs the offense, so Kyrie's limits as a playmaker wouldn't hurt. It would be a situation similar to Cleveland, but Kyrie would have more offensive spotlight. Jokic would give him so many good looks that he would average 30ppg. If they manage to get him while keeping at least one of Murray and Gary Harris, the Nuggets would be a contender.

Yep, the fit in Denver would be fantastic if they could pry the ball out of Kyrie's hands enough and into Jokic's. Murray and Chandler is a decent haul but, again, it leaves the Cavs in tatters at PG.

How about a 3 team trade with PHO?

CLE trades Kyrie Irving to for Eric Bledsoe, TJ Warren and Will Barton
DEN trades Darrell Arthur, Will Barton and Jamal Murray for Kyrie Irving
PHO trades Eric Bledsoe and TJ Warren for Jamal Murray and Darrell Arthur

[NuggetsWY]

I like the fit in Denver. Jokic runs the offense, so Kyrie's limits as a playmaker wouldn't hurt. It would be a situation similar to Cleveland, but Kyrie would have more offensive spotlight. Jokic would give him so many good looks that he would average 30ppg. If they manage to get him while keeping at least one of Murray and Gary Harris, the Nuggets would be a contender.

Yep, the fit in Denver would be fantastic if they could pry the ball out of Kyrie's hands enough and into Jokic's. Murray and Chandler is a decent haul but, again, it leaves the Cavs in tatters at PG.

How about a 3 team trade with PHO?

CLE trades Kyrie Irving to for Eric Bledsoe, TJ Warren and Will Barton
DEN trades Darrell Arthur, Will Barton and Jamal Murray for Kyrie Irving
PHO trades Eric Bledsoe and TJ Warren for Jamal Murray and Darrell Arthur

I think Irving would be great on Denver's team but I think Murray has too much potential to include him in this trade. Irving wants to go FA in 2 years and who can blame him? It's his right. Murray is on a rookie contract and will be UFA at the end of that. He'll be with Denver for much longer than 2 years.