Kyrie asked to be traded (UPDATED)

[jbk1234]

It's so frustrating that people keep coming back with this.

Of course nobody can stop KD, just like nobody can stop LeBron - by that logic, doesn't it mean that we certainly should not have LeBron guarding KD???? He's still going to get his, but LeBron is expending too much energy trying to stop him.

We just need another long wing that's decent defensively to guard KD down the stretch. LeBron is best defensively when he can help.

I actually think that Barnes and/or Noel would give Durant fits. A lot of his game is I'll just shoot over you because I'm really tall & have a ridiculous wing span. Dallas is a dark horse candidate for Kyrie IMO b/c of this.

I didn't even think about Barnes.

This would be awesome if it happened.

If it happened how do you think the rotations would play out?

TT might have to go out with Kyrie if Noel is included. It would be hard to say.

[Stillwater]

I actually think that Barnes and/or Noel would give Durant fits. A lot of his game is I'll just shoot over you because I'm really tall & have a ridiculous wing span. Dallas is a dark horse candidate for Kyrie IMO b/c of this.

I didn't even think about Barnes.

This would be awesome if it happened.

If it happened how do you think the rotations would play out?

TT might have to go out with Kyrie if Noel is included. It would be hard to say.

Noel is restricted , so they could match any offer and then trade him later, but he has not been signed as far as I can tell.

[jbk1234]

I didn't even think about Barnes.

This would be awesome if it happened.

If it happened how do you think the rotations would play out?

TT might have to go out with Kyrie if Noel is included. It would be hard to say.

Noel is restricted , so they could match any offer and then trade him later, but he has not been signed as far as I can tell.

And I don't know the rules when it comes to being over the apron and receiving a S&T player. The logistics might involve finding a third team to take Frye & Shump first.

[Stillwater]

TT might have to go out with Kyrie if Noel is included. It would be hard to say.

Noel is restricted , so they could match any offer and then trade him later, but he has not been signed as far as I can tell.

And I don't know the rules when it comes to being over the apron and receiving a S&T player. The logistics might involve finding a third team to take Frye & Shump first.

yep don't know, but we could trade Irving/Thompson for Barnes & Smith without having to be held up on the Noel situation.
Then Move Shump to the Bucks for Henson

[jbk1234]

Noel is restricted , so they could match any offer and then trade him later, but he has not been signed as far as I can tell.

And I don't know the rules when it comes to being over the apron and receiving a S&T player. The logistics might involve finding a third team to take Frye & Shump first.

yep don't know, but we could trade Irving/Thompson for Barnes & Smith without having to be held up on the Noel situation.
Then Move Shump to the Bucks for Henson

Yeah but Noel>>>>>>>>>>>>Henson. Also, I'd love to see a Noel/Love front court. I suppose LBJ or Love could play center against the Warriors with Barnes guarding Durant.

[Stillwater]

And I don't know the rules when it comes to being over the apron and receiving a S&T player. The logistics might involve finding a third team to take Frye & Shump first.

yep don't know, but we could trade Irving/Thompson for Barnes & Smith without having to be held up on the Noel situation.
Then Move Shump to the Bucks for Henson

Yeah but Noel>>>>>>>>>>>>Henson. Also, I'd love to see a Noel/Love front court. I suppose LBJ or Love could play center against the Warriors with Barnes guarding Durant.

Yep Noel is a better athlete and ball hawk than Henson, but beyond that the rim protection is also evident in Henson, and he plays smart basketball. I do like the Idea of Barnes James swapping 3 & 4 spots through out the different match ups we face with Love at the 5. Barnes has never been a dynamic creator, but his defensive presence and overall foot speed would definitely give KD and others a lot of problems,plus he knows how to play team basketball since his time at GSW and would make the extra pass. Just don't rely on Barnes as a 1st or 2nd option in clutch situations, despite being an efficient pull up shooter, he seems to cave under pressure in big moments with the game on the line.
I still would take back Barnes over a lot of the other options out there, and if Dallas was willing to move Dennis Smith Jr. since they are getting Kyrie, that would give the Cav's a lot of athleticism and youth in the back court. I personally think Smith has what it takes to be that guy that 8 teams will regret passing on in a couple of years.

[johnnyballgame]

He is a long ways away,that is all I am saying, so his value is not there yet for all potential trade partners, only for teams looking to rebuild as he will not help any playoff team or even a mediocre team reach the next level any time soon.That's the point in his not being good enough as a trade chip under most circumstances even for rebuilding team with players that might be intriguing to us ;maybe if you think Sac would take him in exchange for Fox? yeah right or maybe Orlando would take him in exchange for another project in Isaac who also doesn't help us.Maybe Boston would take him for Jaylen. I don't think so.

I think your potential trades are what's the issue. We wouldn't swing Bender for another young player like Fox, and you're right Sac wouldn't do that. He be traded for another older player who helps us win now and next year hopefully. That also makes LeBron wan to stay. I thought I made that clear when I posted an example of Bender, an expiring contract and some picks for Gasol. This was just an example, but it assumes a team is done for the season and considering a rebuild.. like if Conley got hurt again and Memphis was not even in playoff contention, they might try to get what it could for Gasol. We just need one team to value a guy taken fourth overall and a first and a contract. Seems entirely plausible to me, but requires the Cavs to make the deal with Phoenix and be patient with the newly found assets. In my humble opinion, trading Kyrie for Bledsoe is a step back, but the flexibility of having something to trade again (picks and Bender) would be enormous. Pre-Kyrie demands Cavs had nothing worth anything to offer anyone besides Love and the frontcourt is horrendous offensively without him.

I would rather scrape the dried up spit off a bar floor than watch Bender learn how to play basketball.

Yeah, for the third time, I don't want him on the Cavs either. I want to trade him. Said so since the very first post. But since you can't get that or understand anything I posted, such as flipping him to a rebuilding team for a player that helps us win now either immediately or a little bit later (and instead you bring up the unrealistic possibility of trading him for another young player a team just selected based partly on fit)... I'm okay with moving on from discussing the one real confirmed offer the Cavs have gotten and how they can use it to get better.
Lets talk about some offer you made up with a myriad of lottery protections and second rounder possibilities, because this much more likely to happen. I'm sorry about trying to discuss the very real possibilities that there may be team(s) out there ready to go young for the right combination of picks and players (surely every team thinks they can beat the Warriors now) or how Bender could have value to a team starting a rebuild as a guy with raw, but very unique offensive skills that was drafted very, very highly just last year. I'm sorry. The real Suns offer is stupid to discuss even though they may be forced to take it if nothing better comes along (or keep disgruntled Kyrie and send the message to LeBron that you can't make the team better even with the best assets so he should just leave). I used to think keeping Kyrie was an option, but if LeBron wants them to deal him then it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. "Never let anyone ride your wave." might mean just that.

[johnnyballgame]

It's so frustrating that people keep coming back with this.

Of course nobody can stop KD, just like nobody can stop LeBron - by that logic, doesn't it mean that we certainly should not have LeBron guarding KD???? He's still going to get his, but LeBron is expending too much energy trying to stop him.

We just need another long wing that's decent defensively to guard KD down the stretch. LeBron is best defensively when he can help.

I actually think that Barnes and/or Noel would give Durant fits. A lot of his game is I'll just shoot over you because I'm really tall & have a ridiculous wing span. Dallas is a dark horse candidate for Kyrie IMO b/c of this.

I didn't even think about Barnes.

This would be awesome if it happened.

If it happened how do you think the rotations would play out?

Frustrating, only because you didn't name anyone. JBK helped you out by using actual names.
Its much easier for the rest of to discuss an actual player and our thoughts on the possibility of adding an actual player.
I agree that adding Noel would be awesome, but how do we do that?
He's not under contract and he and his agent were expecting teams to offer him the max of $146.5 over five years. I don't know how anyone thinks he's worth that or how we'd give up that much in salary on an offer a young team like Dallas would like.
Oh wait, what about swinging Bender to the Mavs in a three way? Mavs are balking at those dollars and may appreciate a cheaper offensive big who Dirk can mentor. Maybe the same Suns offer to us, Noel to us and the Cavs send Bender and Osman, a pick and some salary (Stump or Frye or whatever works) to Dallas. Two young players and a pick for a signed Noel, which saves Cuban a pile of cash as well, seems a very fair offer. Also makes Cavs better defensively at two positions. Just a thought... I'm really not focused solely on Bender. I wish we had some better offer to be truthful, but sometimes its best to work with what you got. Making LeBron happy is mission number one and imho that looks more and more like trading Kyrie is necessary. I also don't feel like offers are going to get better as training camp approaches. If we stay put its likely to stay that way a while. The Suns Bledsoe, Bender, pick offer doesn't improve the Cavs right now, but it gives back some flexibility to do things like above because there is value to a guy like Bender and that pick, which can be moved for something else. In the right scenario the Grizzlies, Pistons, etc. would absolutely give up their guy for Bender and a pick.. and we could sweeten with Osman or another pick. Imho this is the most likely scenario for our new front office. One deal for Kyrie and then a later deal after we figure out how that gigantic change has affected the roster. Though i'd love to get better instantly, I'm open to getting better a bit later as well, because those may be the cards were dealt. I think in part, after seeing LeBron dominate them for years, some teams are less willing to help him now.

[Stillwater]

I think your potential trades are what's the issue. We wouldn't swing Bender for another young player like Fox, and you're right Sac wouldn't do that. He be traded for another older player who helps us win now and next year hopefully. That also makes LeBron wan to stay. I thought I made that clear when I posted an example of Bender, an expiring contract and some picks for Gasol. This was just an example, but it assumes a team is done for the season and considering a rebuild.. like if Conley got hurt again and Memphis was not even in playoff contention, they might try to get what it could for Gasol. We just need one team to value a guy taken fourth overall and a first and a contract. Seems entirely plausible to me, but requires the Cavs to make the deal with Phoenix and be patient with the newly found assets. In my humble opinion, trading Kyrie for Bledsoe is a step back, but the flexibility of having something to trade again (picks and Bender) would be enormous. Pre-Kyrie demands Cavs had nothing worth anything to offer anyone besides Love and the frontcourt is horrendous offensively without him.

I would rather scrape the dried up spit off a bar floor than watch Bender learn how to play basketball.

Yeah, for the third time, I don't want him on the Cavs either. I want to trade him. Said so since the very first post. But since you can't get that or understand anything I posted, such as flipping him to a rebuilding team for a player that helps us win now either immediately or a little bit later (and instead you bring up the unrealistic possibility of trading him for another young player a team just selected based partly on fit)... I'm okay with moving on from discussing the one real confirmed offer the Cavs have gotten and how they can use it to get better.
Lets talk about some offer you made up with a myriad of lottery protections and second rounder possibilities, because this much more likely to happen. I'm sorry about trying to discuss the very real possibilities that there may be team(s) out there ready to go young for the right combination of picks and players (surely every team thinks they can beat the Warriors now) or how Bender could have value to a team starting a rebuild as a guy with raw, but very unique offensive skills that was drafted very, very highly just last year. I'm sorry. The real Suns offer is stupid to discuss even though they may be forced to take it if nothing better comes along (or keep disgruntled Kyrie and send the message to LeBron that you can't make the team better even with the best assets so he should just leave). I used to think keeping Kyrie was an option, but if LeBron wants them to deal him then it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. "Never let anyone ride your wave." might mean just that.

OK, I heard you from the get go. My point is we are not accepting a trade involving Bender coming here, we may be willing to accept a trade that sends Bender to another team like you are suggesting as part of the deal for Bledsoe, if it were to get us a bluechip player we actually want that could actually contribute this season, but that's just it, I don't think Bender is going to get us that. My other point is trading KI to Ph and getting back Bender where we then are stuck with him if no trade partner is willing to give up what you think he is worth, we are stuck with a high upside but major long term project big who doesn't help us at all next season. Not a good way to make Lebron Happy, and certainly not the best deal the Cavs will get.
I also do not believe that is was ever "confirmed" that proposal was actual, or that the Cavs would ever have even considered it.
Bender to Dallas like you mention in another post has a little life, but eventually when Noel realizes he aint getting paid he will go back & sign in Dallas for less than he wants.

[johnnyballgame]

I would rather scrape the dried up spit off a bar floor than watch Bender learn how to play basketball.

Yeah, for the third time, I don't want him on the Cavs either. I want to trade him. Said so since the very first post. But since you can't get that or understand anything I posted, such as flipping him to a rebuilding team for a player that helps us win now either immediately or a little bit later (and instead you bring up the unrealistic possibility of trading him for another young player a team just selected based partly on fit)... I'm okay with moving on from discussing the one real confirmed offer the Cavs have gotten and how they can use it to get better.
Lets talk about some offer you made up with a myriad of lottery protections and second rounder possibilities, because this much more likely to happen. I'm sorry about trying to discuss the very real possibilities that there may be team(s) out there ready to go young for the right combination of picks and players (surely every team thinks they can beat the Warriors now) or how Bender could have value to a team starting a rebuild as a guy with raw, but very unique offensive skills that was drafted very, very highly just last year. I'm sorry. The real Suns offer is stupid to discuss even though they may be forced to take it if nothing better comes along (or keep disgruntled Kyrie and send the message to LeBron that you can't make the team better even with the best assets so he should just leave). I used to think keeping Kyrie was an option, but if LeBron wants them to deal him then it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. "Never let anyone ride your wave." might mean just that.

OK, I heard you from the get go. My point is we are not accepting a trade involving Bender coming here, we may be willing to accept a trade that sends Bender to another team like you are suggesting as part of the deal for Bledsoe, if it were to get us a bluechip player we actually want that could actually contribute this season, but that's just it, I don't think Bender is going to get us that. My other point is trading KI to Ph and getting back Bender where we then are stuck with him if no trade partner is willing to give up what you think he is worth, we are stuck with a high upside but major long term project big who doesn't help us at all next season. Not a good way to make Lebron Happy, and certainly not the best deal the Cavs will get.
I also do not believe that is was ever "confirmed" that proposal was actual, or that the Cavs would ever have even considered it.
Bender to Dallas like you mention in another post has a little life, but eventually when Noel realizes he aint getting paid he will go back & sign in Dallas for less than he wants.

Noel would have to be signed before he came here. The point is Dallas is balking at the cash but would give him what he wants if he is being traded to a team willing to pay it. That's why I said Bender, Osman and salary... because otherwise it couldn't be done.o

Also, why would this years number four be soo valuable he's holding the whole deal up but last years number four overall be worth that much less? It doesn't make sense. There are teams that think Bender has tremendous upside or he wouldn't have been scouted as the first, second, third or fourth overall pick of last years draft. And every team in those spots absolutely looked at and considered him. He's not all of a sudden invaluable.. they wouldn't have taken him at four if they didn't have to and they had to because other teams would have taken him shortly after. yes, he's not for a win now team, but apart from the Warriors and maybe two or three others, almost every team has a couple years to wait for development. Even Fox and Smith and other young players are going to need time.

[Stillwater]

Yeah, for the third time, I don't want him on the Cavs either. I want to trade him. Said so since the very first post. But since you can't get that or understand anything I posted, such as flipping him to a rebuilding team for a player that helps us win now either immediately or a little bit later (and instead you bring up the unrealistic possibility of trading him for another young player a team just selected based partly on fit)... I'm okay with moving on from discussing the one real confirmed offer the Cavs have gotten and how they can use it to get better.
Lets talk about some offer you made up with a myriad of lottery protections and second rounder possibilities, because this much more likely to happen. I'm sorry about trying to discuss the very real possibilities that there may be team(s) out there ready to go young for the right combination of picks and players (surely every team thinks they can beat the Warriors now) or how Bender could have value to a team starting a rebuild as a guy with raw, but very unique offensive skills that was drafted very, very highly just last year. I'm sorry. The real Suns offer is stupid to discuss even though they may be forced to take it if nothing better comes along (or keep disgruntled Kyrie and send the message to LeBron that you can't make the team better even with the best assets so he should just leave). I used to think keeping Kyrie was an option, but if LeBron wants them to deal him then it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. "Never let anyone ride your wave." might mean just that.

OK, I heard you from the get go. My point is we are not accepting a trade involving Bender coming here, we may be willing to accept a trade that sends Bender to another team like you are suggesting as part of the deal for Bledsoe, if it were to get us a bluechip player we actually want that could actually contribute this season, but that's just it, I don't think Bender is going to get us that. My other point is trading KI to Ph and getting back Bender where we then are stuck with him if no trade partner is willing to give up what you think he is worth, we are stuck with a high upside but major long term project big who doesn't help us at all next season. Not a good way to make Lebron Happy, and certainly not the best deal the Cavs will get.
I also do not believe that is was ever "confirmed" that proposal was actual, or that the Cavs would ever have even considered it.
Bender to Dallas like you mention in another post has a little life, but eventually when Noel realizes he aint getting paid he will go back & sign in Dallas for less than he wants.

Noel would have to be signed before he came here. The point is Dallas is balking at the cash but would give him what he wants if he is being traded to a team willing to pay it. That's why I said Bender, Osman and salary... because otherwise it couldn't be done.

we are not trading for Noel unless he signs for a lot less than what he wants anyway, I am aware he is still a FA ,not too mention that fact would mean we would have to start the season with KI in camp and worse not have Smith and Barnes in Camp , which is imperative imo.

[Stillwater]

Yeah, for the third time, I don't want him on the Cavs either. I want to trade him. Said so since the very first post. But since you can't get that or understand anything I posted, such as flipping him to a rebuilding team for a player that helps us win now either immediately or a little bit later (and instead you bring up the unrealistic possibility of trading him for another young player a team just selected based partly on fit)... I'm okay with moving on from discussing the one real confirmed offer the Cavs have gotten and how they can use it to get better.
Lets talk about some offer you made up with a myriad of lottery protections and second rounder possibilities, because this much more likely to happen. I'm sorry about trying to discuss the very real possibilities that there may be team(s) out there ready to go young for the right combination of picks and players (surely every team thinks they can beat the Warriors now) or how Bender could have value to a team starting a rebuild as a guy with raw, but very unique offensive skills that was drafted very, very highly just last year. I'm sorry. The real Suns offer is stupid to discuss even though they may be forced to take it if nothing better comes along (or keep disgruntled Kyrie and send the message to LeBron that you can't make the team better even with the best assets so he should just leave). I used to think keeping Kyrie was an option, but if LeBron wants them to deal him then it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. "Never let anyone ride your wave." might mean just that.

OK, I heard you from the get go. My point is we are not accepting a trade involving Bender coming here, we may be willing to accept a trade that sends Bender to another team like you are suggesting as part of the deal for Bledsoe, if it were to get us a bluechip player we actually want that could actually contribute this season, but that's just it, I don't think Bender is going to get us that. My other point is trading KI to Ph and getting back Bender where we then are stuck with him if no trade partner is willing to give up what you think he is worth, we are stuck with a high upside but major long term project big who doesn't help us at all next season. Not a good way to make Lebron Happy, and certainly not the best deal the Cavs will get.
I also do not believe that is was ever "confirmed" that proposal was actual, or that the Cavs would ever have even considered it.
Bender to Dallas like you mention in another post has a little life, but eventually when Noel realizes he aint getting paid he will go back & sign in Dallas for less than he wants.

Noel would have to be signed before he came here. The point is Dallas is balking at the cash but would give him what he wants if he is being traded to a team willing to pay it. That's why I said Bender, Osman and salary... because otherwise it couldn't be done.o

Also, why would this years number four be soo valuable he's holding the whole deal up but last years number four overall be worth that much less? It doesn't make sense. There are teams that think Bender has tremendous upside or he wouldn't have been scouted as the first, second, third or fourth overall pick of last years draft. And every team in those spots absolutely looked at and considered him. He's not all of a sudden invaluable.. they wouldn't have taken him at four if they didn't have to and they had to because other teams would have taken him shortly after. yes, he's not for a win now team, but apart from the Warriors and maybe two or three others, almost every team has a couple years to wait for development. Even Fox and Smith and other young players are going to need time.

Sorry but Bender was over rated if his first season in the Nba has anything to say about it, because he was not considered a long term project when he was hyped enough for the Suns to take him that high. So= he is not as valuable now , as his draft position was too high in retrospect. No team in the league is going to give up enough for a player who didn't take the league by storm when he was supposed to be the next Jokic or KP.

[johnnyballgame]

OK, I heard you from the get go. My point is we are not accepting a trade involving Bender coming here, we may be willing to accept a trade that sends Bender to another team like you are suggesting as part of the deal for Bledsoe, if it were to get us a bluechip player we actually want that could actually contribute this season, but that's just it, I don't think Bender is going to get us that. My other point is trading KI to Ph and getting back Bender where we then are stuck with him if no trade partner is willing to give up what you think he is worth, we are stuck with a high upside but major long term project big who doesn't help us at all next season. Not a good way to make Lebron Happy, and certainly not the best deal the Cavs will get.
I also do not believe that is was ever "confirmed" that proposal was actual, or that the Cavs would ever have even considered it.
Bender to Dallas like you mention in another post has a little life, but eventually when Noel realizes he aint getting paid he will go back & sign in Dallas for less than he wants.

Noel would have to be signed before he came here. The point is Dallas is balking at the cash but would give him what he wants if he is being traded to a team willing to pay it. That's why I said Bender, Osman and salary... because otherwise it couldn't be done.

we are not trading for Noel unless he signs for a lot less than what he wants anyway, I am aware he is still a FA ,not too mention that fact would mean we would have to start the season with KI in camp and worse not have Smith and Barnes in Camp , which is imperative imo.

In a scenario where we get Noel, we wouldn't get Barnes.. we'd be getting Bledsoe and Noel. You really do not read anything. I said same Suns offer.. Bledsoe, bender and a pick to us.... only we send bender and the pick and Osman and salary (shump, Frye, whoever) and even cash can be included to help pay for Stump to Dallas for a signed Noel. We end up with Bledsoe and Noel for kyrie and guys who won't play. Dallas would absolutely be motivated as they don't want to pay Noel this much and Bender could be their next Nowitzki. On the other hand, were not spending more. Were paying new players what we sent out in salary even with him signed. And we have a great defensive team with only Love, Smith, korver as offense only.

Noel, love, LeBron, smith, Bledsoe.. rose, Thompson, korver

[Stillwater]

Noel would have to be signed before he came here. The point is Dallas is balking at the cash but would give him what he wants if he is being traded to a team willing to pay it. That's why I said Bender, Osman and salary... because otherwise it couldn't be done.

we are not trading for Noel unless he signs for a lot less than what he wants anyway, I am aware he is still a FA ,not too mention that fact would mean we would have to start the season with KI in camp and worse not have Smith and Barnes in Camp , which is imperative imo.

In a scenario where we get Noel, we wouldn't get Barnes.. we'd be getting Bledsoe and Noel. You really do not read anything. I said same Suns offer.. Bledsoe, bender and a pick to us.... only we send bender and the pick and Osman and salary (shump, Frye, whoever) and even cash can be included to help pay for Stump to Dallas for a signed Noel. We end up with Bledsoe and Noel for kyrie and guys who won't play. Dallas would absolutely be motivated as they don't want to pay Noel this much and Bender could be their next Nowitzki. On the other hand, were not spending more. Were paying new players what we sent out in salary even with him signed. And we have a great defensive team with only Love, Smith, korver as offense only.

Noel, love, LeBron, smith, Bledsoe.. rose, Thompson, korver

You are right I am not reading a lot of what you are rambling on about.
I would rather do this than wait around on Noel : https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6933544

[jbk1234]

we are not trading for Noel unless he signs for a lot less than what he wants anyway, I am aware he is still a FA ,not too mention that fact would mean we would have to start the season with KI in camp and worse not have Smith and Barnes in Camp , which is imperative imo.

In a scenario where we get Noel, we wouldn't get Barnes.. we'd be getting Bledsoe and Noel. You really do not read anything. I said same Suns offer.. Bledsoe, bender and a pick to us.... only we send bender and the pick and Osman and salary (shump, Frye, whoever) and even cash can be included to help pay for Stump to Dallas for a signed Noel. We end up with Bledsoe and Noel for kyrie and guys who won't play. Dallas would absolutely be motivated as they don't want to pay Noel this much and Bender could be their next Nowitzki. On the other hand, were not spending more. Were paying new players what we sent out in salary even with him signed. And we have a great defensive team with only Love, Smith, korver as offense only.

Noel, love, LeBron, smith, Bledsoe.. rose, Thompson, korver

You are right I am not reading a lot of what you are rambling on about.
I would rather do this than wait around on Noel : https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6933544

Take it down a notch fellas. We get enough negativity from the outside coming in without making it personal between the Cavs fans. Discussion & disagreements are welcome. Personal attacks are not.

[Truthful1]

James Jones said there were times Kyrie would go days without talking to teammates. James Jones was a waste of a roster spot for the last three years and his way of thanking the Cavs is by trying to drive Kyrie's trade value down. Lebron should pick better friends, he got used. If James Jones was really thankful about his free paycheck the last three years, he would be trying to help Lebron and the Cavs out not sabotage them.


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[jbk1234]

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Money quote from another F.O.: “I doubt anyone has made their best offer yet,” said one. “I know we haven’t. … This could end up being a multiple-team deal, too.”

[JMac1]

So basically Phoenix can offer what the Cavs want now, but refuse to do so until/unless some team comes with a better offer, then we will beat it......makes sense.

[jbk1234]

So basically Phoenix can offer what the Cavs want now, but refuse to do so until/unless some team comes with a better offer, then we will beat it......makes sense.

Assuming the quote was from the Suns F.O. I suspect most teams haven't made their best offers yet.

[skywalker33]

What bothers me from a DEN perspective is the lack of team chemistry and immaturity Kyrie is displaying, He's gone on record saying he wants to be "THE MAN" and that he doesn't want to play Robin to LBJ's Batman. In DEN we already have Jokic and acquiring him would easily stunt further development by the Joker, something I don't see a problem happening while keeping Murray and Harris (which many of you seeing as what DEN would have to trade to get KI, good luck with that). Furthermore, hearing Irving wouldn't even speak to his teammates throughout the playoffs sounds like something a 5-yr old would do, totally immature. It just feels like he would disrupt our team chemistry more than what he would bring back with talent. Please, send him to PHX and leave DEN out of you trade proposals, he's not worth it to the Nuggets IMO