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Re: 2017 TV/Movie/Book Thread with Spoilers 

Post#1581 » by humanrefutation » Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:43 pm

My thoughts on GOT:

Spoiler:
So, by now, I've sort of gotten over the issue with traveling distances in short periods of time. But my concern with the breakneck pace is that there isn't enough time being given for the show to...breathe. Moments to fester. Events to unfold methodically.

It was a damn travesty that Gendry got reintroduced into the story without even a moment to give weight to his journey.

It was shameful to have that emotional reunion between Jamie and Tyrion take place within a couple minutes. Hell, it felt like Bronn took longer leading Jamie to Tyrion than the show dedicated to their actual conversation. And the request for a cessation of hostilities seems like a terrible idea on Dany's part. At this point, she's setting herself up to get whacked.

I think the way Sam resolved his Oldtown arc was a major disappointment. I mean, we spent the season watching him scrape ****, scrape skin, and talk to Maester Marwyn for a minute here and there. Then, he steals some random **** of unknown value from the library and peaces out? How does that make any sense? That's not to mention the MASSIVELY consequential reveal that Gilly was reading about Rhaegar legitimately marrying someone (probably Lyanna), which actually makes Jon Snow a legitimate heir to the Iron Throne.

Arya sneaking around LF without wearing another face - or being more cautious - doesn't make a lick of sense to me unless she's conning LF as well.

I also believed that the whole Magnificent Seven **** at the end with Beric, Thoros, and Sandor Clegane was way too contrived and hashed together.

Plus, we have no idea what's going on with the Unsullied and Euron Greyjoy for the second straight episode.

I know B&W are put in a difficult situation with HBO only ordering 13 episodes to wrap up such a gigantic story, but I feel like the pace is such that some of the actual weight of the story is being lost a bit. They would have been much better served with a full two season order, IMO.
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Post#1583 » by RRyder823 » Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:39 am

humanrefutation wrote:My thoughts on GOT:

Spoiler:
So, by now, I've sort of gotten over the issue with traveling distances in short periods of time. But my concern with the breakneck pace is that there isn't enough time being given for the show to...breathe. Moments to fester. Events to unfold methodically.

It was a damn travesty that Gendry got reintroduced into the story without even a moment to give weight to his journey.

It was shameful to have that emotional reunion between Jamie and Tyrion take place within a couple minutes. Hell, it felt like Bronn took longer leading Jamie to Tyrion than the show dedicated to their actual conversation. And the request for a cessation of hostilities seems like a terrible idea on Dany's part. At this point, she's setting herself up to get whacked.

I think the way Sam resolved his Oldtown arc was a major disappointment. I mean, we spent the season watching him scrape ****, scrape skin, and talk to Maester Marwyn for a minute here and there. Then, he steals some random **** of unknown value from the library and peaces out? How does that make any sense? That's not to mention the MASSIVELY consequential reveal that Gilly was reading about Rhaegar legitimately marrying someone (probably Lyanna), which actually makes Jon Snow a legitimate heir to the Iron Throne.

Arya sneaking around LF without wearing another face - or being more cautious - doesn't make a lick of sense to me unless she's conning LF as well.

I also believed that the whole Magnificent Seven **** at the end with Beric, Thoros, and Sandor Clegane was way too contrived and hashed together.

Plus, we have no idea what's going on with the Unsullied and Euron Greyjoy for the second straight episode.

I know B&W are put in a difficult situation with HBO only ordering 13 episodes to wrap up such a gigantic story, but I feel like the pace is such that some of the actual weight of the story is being lost a bit. They would have been much better served with a full two season order, IMO.


This is pretty spot on with every point.

I'll add on that when they revealed this season would be 7 episodes, and 6 for the final season, I thought there would be no way for them to wrap things up in that amount of time without completely rushing everything but then I heard each episode would be much longer then in previous seasons and it gave me hope......

However only getting an extra 8-10 minutes each episode wasn't what I had in mind

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Post#1584 » by ReasonablySober » Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:44 am

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Post#1585 » by jakecronus8 » Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:52 am

Agree with the sentiment that after GOT is over, most will lament the fact that it was not given the time to wrap it correctly.
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Post#1586 » by ReasonablySober » Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:56 am

I dunno. I got really bored with about 75% of the routine filler episodes we saw while the show-runners had to make really boring exposition filled episodes where little happened. This season has probably been my favorite since the first.
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Post#1587 » by Turk Nowitzki » Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:04 am

ReasonablySober wrote:I dunno. I got really bored with about 75% of the routine filler episodes we saw while the show-runners had to make really boring exposition filled episodes where little happened. This season has probably been my favorite since the first.

This is crazy to me. I can count on one hand the number of moments I've even been close to bored watching Game of Thrones.
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Post#1588 » by ReasonablySober » Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:10 am

Turk Nowitzki wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:I dunno. I got really bored with about 75% of the routine filler episodes we saw while the show-runners had to make really boring exposition filled episodes where little happened. This season has probably been my favorite since the first.

This is crazy to me. I can count on one hand the number of moments I've even been close to bored watching Game of Thrones.


Seen every episode and I can barely tell you what happened outside of the Big Events in any of the first five seasons. If I can it's because of online resources.
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Post#1589 » by El Duderino » Tue Aug 15, 2017 3:37 am

Turk Nowitzki wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:I dunno. I got really bored with about 75% of the routine filler episodes we saw while the show-runners had to make really boring exposition filled episodes where little happened. This season has probably been my favorite since the first.

This is crazy to me. I can count on one hand the number of moments I've even been close to bored watching Game of Thrones.


The character who has often bored me up until now is Samwell Tarly. I knew his character would eventually lead to something important even though i haven't read the books, but i did sometimes find myself being annoyed when his character would eat up chunks of earlier episodes, regardless that i felt it was building to something substantial.

I often felt the same way about the character Janice in The Sopranos, Tony Soprano's sister.
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Post#1590 » by HKPackFan » Tue Aug 15, 2017 4:38 am

humanrefutation wrote:My thoughts on GOT:

Spoiler:
So, by now, I've sort of gotten over the issue with traveling distances in short periods of time. But my concern with the breakneck pace is that there isn't enough time being given for the show to...breathe. Moments to fester. Events to unfold methodically.

It was a damn travesty that Gendry got reintroduced into the story without even a moment to give weight to his journey.

It was shameful to have that emotional reunion between Jamie and Tyrion take place within a couple minutes. Hell, it felt like Bronn took longer leading Jamie to Tyrion than the show dedicated to their actual conversation. And the request for a cessation of hostilities seems like a terrible idea on Dany's part. At this point, she's setting herself up to get whacked.

I think the way Sam resolved his Oldtown arc was a major disappointment. I mean, we spent the season watching him scrape ****, scrape skin, and talk to Maester Marwyn for a minute here and there. Then, he steals some random **** of unknown value from the library and peaces out? How does that make any sense? That's not to mention the MASSIVELY consequential reveal that Gilly was reading about Rhaegar legitimately marrying someone (probably Lyanna), which actually makes Jon Snow a legitimate heir to the Iron Throne.

Arya sneaking around LF without wearing another face - or being more cautious - doesn't make a lick of sense to me unless she's conning LF as well.

I also believed that the whole Magnificent Seven **** at the end with Beric, Thoros, and Sandor Clegane was way too contrived and hashed together.

Plus, we have no idea what's going on with the Unsullied and Euron Greyjoy for the second straight episode.

I know B&W are put in a difficult situation with HBO only ordering 13 episodes to wrap up such a gigantic story, but I feel like the pace is such that some of the actual weight of the story is being lost a bit. They would have been much better served with a full two season order, IMO.




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Great Points, ESPECIALLY with Arya. I kept thinking, is she going to put on a mask??? She's playing it awfully sloppy for being such a bad ass invisible girl. Is it because she's still a kid and she is underestimating LF? Is it because she thinks she's at home so she's in a protective bubble she doesn't need to hide? I dunno, but it didn't make any sense to me.
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Post#1591 » by humanrefutation » Tue Aug 15, 2017 4:42 am

A thought on the Magnificent Seven at the end of GOT:

Spoiler:
So, if they actually manage to pull a wight south of the Wall, isn't it possible that will break the protective magical barrier against the wall and enable The Night King to lead his army South? Is their very mission actually going to hasten their downfall?

Also, as a random aside - I don't believe Cersei is actually pregnant.
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Post#1592 » by truly » Tue Aug 15, 2017 5:03 am

RRyder823 wrote:
humanrefutation wrote:My thoughts on GOT:

Spoiler:
So, by now, I've sort of gotten over the issue with traveling distances in short periods of time. But my concern with the breakneck pace is that there isn't enough time being given for the show to...breathe. Moments to fester. Events to unfold methodically.

It was a damn travesty that Gendry got reintroduced into the story without even a moment to give weight to his journey.

It was shameful to have that emotional reunion between Jamie and Tyrion take place within a couple minutes. Hell, it felt like Bronn took longer leading Jamie to Tyrion than the show dedicated to their actual conversation. And the request for a cessation of hostilities seems like a terrible idea on Dany's part. At this point, she's setting herself up to get whacked.

I think the way Sam resolved his Oldtown arc was a major disappointment. I mean, we spent the season watching him scrape ****, scrape skin, and talk to Maester Marwyn for a minute here and there. Then, he steals some random **** of unknown value from the library and peaces out? How does that make any sense? That's not to mention the MASSIVELY consequential reveal that Gilly was reading about Rhaegar legitimately marrying someone (probably Lyanna), which actually makes Jon Snow a legitimate heir to the Iron Throne.

Arya sneaking around LF without wearing another face - or being more cautious - doesn't make a lick of sense to me unless she's conning LF as well.

I also believed that the whole Magnificent Seven **** at the end with Beric, Thoros, and Sandor Clegane was way too contrived and hashed together.

Plus, we have no idea what's going on with the Unsullied and Euron Greyjoy for the second straight episode.

I know B&W are put in a difficult situation with HBO only ordering 13 episodes to wrap up such a gigantic story, but I feel like the pace is such that some of the actual weight of the story is being lost a bit. They would have been much better served with a full two season order, IMO.


This is pretty spot on with every point.

I'll add on that when they revealed this season would be 7 episodes, and 6 for the final season, I thought there would be no way for them to wrap things up in that amount of time without completely rushing everything but then I heard each episode would be much longer then in previous seasons and it gave me hope......

However only getting an extra 8-10 minutes each episode wasn't what I had in mind

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yeah the episodes arent that much longer but i saw that episode 6 will be 71 minutes and episode 7(finale) 81.Apparently last season could be 6 2 hour episodes(or movies !) which would be awesome and hopefully do this series justice.
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Post#1593 » by th87 » Tue Aug 15, 2017 5:48 am

GB_Packers wrote:GoT will be remembered as one of the GOAT shows, unless they totally botch the last season. A few dips in quality here or there, mainly in season five, but overall fantastic so far.

And the complaints about how fast they are moving, well, we are down to the final eight episodes now. We don't need entire episodes where all we see of Jon is traveling from one location to the next with scenes of him staring out at the water, contemplating how hard of a task lies ahead of him. The show was never going to stay slow and character driven the longer it went on, the scope has been expanding each season. I'm expecting numerous long battle scenes within these last eight episodes. After episodes like Hardhome, Battle of the Bastards and now Spoils of War, the incoming spectacle will be incredible to see done on TV.

Going off the rails? Nah. Show has only gotten better over time.


Show has become a Bollywood movie, with Avengers-level depth. I guess some people like that.
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Post#1594 » by th87 » Tue Aug 15, 2017 6:02 am

humanrefutation wrote:My thoughts on GOT:

Spoiler:
So, by now, I've sort of gotten over the issue with traveling distances in short periods of time. But my concern with the breakneck pace is that there isn't enough time being given for the show to...breathe. Moments to fester. Events to unfold methodically.

It was a damn travesty that Gendry got reintroduced into the story without even a moment to give weight to his journey.

It was shameful to have that emotional reunion between Jamie and Tyrion take place within a couple minutes. Hell, it felt like Bronn took longer leading Jamie to Tyrion than the show dedicated to their actual conversation. And the request for a cessation of hostilities seems like a terrible idea on Dany's part. At this point, she's setting herself up to get whacked.

I think the way Sam resolved his Oldtown arc was a major disappointment. I mean, we spent the season watching him scrape ****, scrape skin, and talk to Maester Marwyn for a minute here and there. Then, he steals some random **** of unknown value from the library and peaces out? How does that make any sense? That's not to mention the MASSIVELY consequential reveal that Gilly was reading about Rhaegar legitimately marrying someone (probably Lyanna), which actually makes Jon Snow a legitimate heir to the Iron Throne.

Arya sneaking around LF without wearing another face - or being more cautious - doesn't make a lick of sense to me unless she's conning LF as well.

I also believed that the whole Magnificent Seven **** at the end with Beric, Thoros, and Sandor Clegane was way too contrived and hashed together.

Plus, we have no idea what's going on with the Unsullied and Euron Greyjoy for the second straight episode.

I know B&W are put in a difficult situation with HBO only ordering 13 episodes to wrap up such a gigantic story, but I feel like the pace is such that some of the actual weight of the story is being lost a bit. They would have been much better served with a full two season order, IMO.


Spoiler:
Their plan (which took two seconds to decide on) makes no sense. Risk everything to capture a wight to show Cersei? Why? What will that accomplish?

Did they ever plan on lifting the siege in which Grey Worm, et al. are starving? Which would take 15 real minutes, would completely wipe out Euron's fleet, and completely incapacitate Cersei?

I have a feeling I will look back on these last seasons with disgust for the insult inflicted on us. Like TDKR.
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Post#1595 » by hege53190 » Tue Aug 15, 2017 6:29 am

GOT

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George hasnt written anything good in over 17 years. Has the writing on the show taken a big steaming ****? sure. However I am just happy to get closure on one of the best trilogies ever written. Give me a story on where these characters end up and I am happy. I will even suffer through ships that can teleport, unbelievably (Please Use More Appropriate Word) decision making to further plot lines, and clumsy dialogue. Did I want better? Absolutely. But I will take what I can get.

As for my gripes about last episode.

Dany take 5 minutes to recover the prisoner that could end the war. Give the command "Get me Jaime Lanister" who fell into the water less than 100 yards from you and the war is over.

Our best plan to save the seven kingdoms is to try and convince one of the dumbest self absorbed people in Westeros that White Walkers are real by going north of the wall confronting the army of the dead and stealing one of them. Bringing them back south of the wall and showing it to everyone? Why not just kill Cersei. Apparently anyone can stroll up to kings landing in a boat and park on the beach in broad daylight and leave the boat unattended.

With these two plot developments the show officially jumped the shark from all-time great to taking great material and running it through your typical TV show "make dumb decisions to further the plot" meat grinder.

Would I rather 1994-2000 George RR Martin finish the story? Sure. But George is no longer a writer but a celebrity and doesn't seem to have the ability to finish his story any more. So I will take what I can get.
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Post#1596 » by RRyder823 » Tue Aug 15, 2017 6:33 am

humanrefutation wrote:A thought on the Magnificent Seven at the end of GOT:

Spoiler:
So, if they actually manage to pull a wight south of the Wall, isn't it possible that will break the protective magical barrier against the wall and enable The Night King to lead his army South? Is their very mission actually going to hasten their downfall?

Also, as a random aside - I don't believe Cersei is actually pregnant.


Spoiler:
They've allready pulled a Wight past the wall and into Castle Black


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Post#1597 » by Nightfall » Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:57 am

humanrefutation wrote:A thought on the Magnificent Seven at the end of GOT:

Spoiler:
So, if they actually manage to pull a wight south of the Wall, isn't it possible that will break the protective magical barrier against the wall and enable The Night King to lead his army South? Is their very mission actually going to hasten their downfall?

Also, as a random aside - I don't believe Cersei is actually pregnant.


Spoiler:
If you remember in Season 1 there was a flashback where someone tells Cersei her fortune. And she said you will have 3 children among other things. She is either coning Jaimie (to have even greater influence on him ) or she will lose it/or she dies.
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Post#1598 » by Siefer » Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:08 pm

GoT:

Spoiler:
I'm still enjoying the heck out of the show, but yeah, I wish we were getting more time to chew on some of these interactions. I wanted Jon and Dany to have more time together to build their relationship, Euron to have enough screen time to actually matter, and more scenes with folks like Berric, Thoros, and the Hound before they went full heist movie. They've talked about shrinking the episode count because of plot and budget considerations, but things are moving at a breakneck pace, and I wanted to spend more time with the characters, not the set pieces.
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Post#1599 » by freewhitemoon » Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:53 pm

I loved first two seasons, then I read the books in between and found seasons 3-5 kinda bland because I knew what was gonna happen
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Post#1600 » by SirChurros » Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:05 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
Turk Nowitzki wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:I dunno. I got really bored with about 75% of the routine filler episodes we saw while the show-runners had to make really boring exposition filled episodes where little happened. This season has probably been my favorite since the first.

This is crazy to me. I can count on one hand the number of moments I've even been close to bored watching Game of Thrones.


Seen every episode and I can barely tell you what happened outside of the Big Events in any of the first five seasons. If I can it's because of online resources.


I think this is where the show is sometimes difficult for "casual" viewers.

I'd be in the same boat if I didn't read articles/message boards, but yeah, my parents constantly contact me asking me to explain what's going on. There is just so much important detail in the books that has either been glossed over real quickly or they haven't touched on that make it a difficult view for some viewers.

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