Marvin Bagley

DirtyDez · Post #121 » by **DirtyDez** » Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:53 pm

I think he wants to stay in LA but will end up at Duke. Duke starts their fall period a month before UCLA/USC though so we'll see. He could always reclassify but not commit to a school yet still declare for the 18' draft or just pull a Diallo.

Post #122 » by **SmartWentCrazy** » Fri Aug 11, 2017 11:56 am

Duke4life831 wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:
He wont get nearly the exposure as if he went to college and the money is pretty trash, its basically minimum wage. The D League will become much more enticing if they start offering more money. It doesnt even have to be millions of dollars, but if big time players can go straight to the D league and be making 100-150k a year, it becomes much more enticing.

This is accurate, but not the entire picture. If he went to the G-League instead of college he'd no longer be limited to the NCAA's amateur rule. I'm pretty sure he could sign a 7 figure shoe deal immediately, which I imagine all of the big players would offer in an effort to lock up a talent like his early.

That is a great point if he could get it. I'm not sure that he would get the deal. Because I feel like we would've seen a lot more top tier prospects go straight to the D league by now if they were able to get 7 figures right away from shoe deals. I just feel like a player would've taken that path by now.

It's definitely a long shot. I do feel that Bagley is materially different than all of the past prospects though, and could be the exception here.

Personally, if I were Nike/Adidas/UA, I'd be offering all of the top 5-10 kids small shoe money to play in the G-League for a year before heading to the NBA. If I were the NBA, I'd push for it too as it could be a death blow to the NCAA to their direct benefit.

For the shoe companies, its a lottery ticket, but the rewards far offset the risk IMO. Hindsight being what it was, I'm shocked Simmons didn't consider this route.

nolang1 · Post #123 » by **nolang1** » Fri Aug 11, 2017 2:13 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
This is accurate, but not the entire picture. If he went to the G-League instead of college he'd no longer be limited to the NCAA's amateur rule. I'm pretty sure he could sign a 7 figure shoe deal immediately, which I imagine all of the big players would offer in an effort to lock up a talent like his early.

That is a great point if he could get it. I'm not sure that he would get the deal. Because I feel like we would've seen a lot more top tier prospects go straight to the D league by now if they were able to get 7 figures right away from shoe deals. I just feel like a player would've taken that path by now.

It's definitely a long shot. I do feel that Bagley is materially different than all of the past prospects though, and could be the exception here.

Personally, if I were Nike/Adidas/UA, I'd be offering all of the top 5-10 kids small shoe money to play in the G-League for a year before heading to the NBA. If I were the NBA, I'd push for it too as it could be a death blow to the NCAA to their direct benefit.

For the shoe companies, its a lottery ticket, but the rewards far offset the risk IMO. Hindsight being what it was, I'm shocked Simmons didn't consider this route.

Nike/adidas have enough invested in deals with the universities that they don't want to cannibalize it by incentivizing a player to go to the G league. When you think of how huge the March Madness TV deal is, you can see how big an advertising campaign it can be for Nike to be able to say that 45 or however many tournament teams are wearing their gear. That's more of a move for upstart companies to pull, which is why everyone who's skipped college to go overseas has been Under Armour.

ItsThatEasy · Post #124 » by **ItsThatEasy** » Fri Aug 11, 2017 2:20 pm

nolang1 wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:
That is a great point if he could get it. I'm not sure that he would get the deal. Because I feel like we would've seen a lot more top tier prospects go straight to the D league by now if they were able to get 7 figures right away from shoe deals. I just feel like a player would've taken that path by now.

It's definitely a long shot. I do feel that Bagley is materially different than all of the past prospects though, and could be the exception here.

Personally, if I were Nike/Adidas/UA, I'd be offering all of the top 5-10 kids small shoe money to play in the G-League for a year before heading to the NBA. If I were the NBA, I'd push for it too as it could be a death blow to the NCAA to their direct benefit.

For the shoe companies, its a lottery ticket, but the rewards far offset the risk IMO. Hindsight being what it was, I'm shocked Simmons didn't consider this route.

Nike/adidas have enough invested in deals with the universities that they don't want to cannibalize it by incentivizing a player to go to the G league. When you think of how huge the March Madness TV deal is, you can see how big an advertising campaign it can be for Nike to be able to say that X number of tournament teams are wearing their gear. That's more of a move for upstart companies to pull, which is why everyone who's skipped college to go overseas has been Under Armour.

Great point.

The benefits of guys going to the G-League and signing with NIKE aren't worth losing those huge college dollars.

Post #125 » by **Duke4life831** » Fri Aug 11, 2017 5:45 pm

DirtyDez wrote:I think he wants to stay in LA but will end up at Duke. Duke starts their fall period a month before UCLA/USC though so we'll see. He could always reclassify but not commit to a school yet still declare for the 18' draft or just pull a Diallo.

I think he ends up at USC. I've heard rumblings that the Duke visit was just kind of okay while the USC visit basically blew his socks off.

Right now I'd say USC 1, Duke 2 and UCLA 3.

neno · Post #126 » by **neno** » Sat Aug 12, 2017 11:00 pm

ManualRam wrote:what if michael beasley had a better support system, wasn't a moron, had a better motor, was an inch or so taller and had more defensive potential? well, he wouldn't be michael beasley but that could be what bagley becomes.
his potential is immense.

Respect

reanimator · Post #127 » by **reanimator** » Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:19 pm

Read on Twitter

Post #128 » by **Duke4life831** » Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:27 pm

reanimator wrote:

Read on Twitter

I heard USC killed the visit, UCLA starts classes next month instead of in a couple weeks like USC and Duke and Duke was the one walking him through the reclassification.

Yesterday I thought it was USC but today I really dont know, almost feel like its a 33/33/33 split between the 3 schools.

zike_42 · Post #129 » by **zike_42** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 3:35 am

Duke!

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Post #130 » by **Duke4life831** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 3:37 am

zike_42 wrote:Duke!

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Post #131 » by **ATTL** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 3:37 am

Can't wait for the season to start.

akhan786 · Post #132 » by **akhan786** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 3:44 am

Duval and Bagley have the potential to be the most fun to watch duo in Duke history

B-Ball Freak · Post #133 » by **B-Ball Freak** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 3:44 am

So is he eligible to play this year?

DirtyDez · Post #134 » by **DirtyDez** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 3:48 am

akhan786 wrote:Duval and Bagley have the potential to be the most fun to watch duo in Duke history

More exciting than Paulus/McRoberts?

Post #135 » by **Duke4life831** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 3:51 am

DirtyDez wrote:
akhan786 wrote:Duval and Bagley have the potential to be the most fun to watch duo in Duke history

More exciting than Paulus/McRoberts?

And just like that I go from a huge high to remembering the dark ages of Duke ball. Thanks for that haha.

ItsThatEasy · Post #136 » by **ItsThatEasy** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 3:54 am

B-Ball Freak wrote:So is he eligible to play this year?

Yes sir.

13th Man · Post #137 » by **13th Man** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 4:50 am

He reminds me of Chris Webber but with the outside shot of Chris Bosh.

Hoopz Afrik · Post #138 » by **Hoopz Afrik** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 12:01 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:
zike_42 wrote:Duke!

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Best response I've seen in some time....

It looks like Coach K finally got his Harry Giles lol

ItsThatEasy · Post #139 » by **ItsThatEasy** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 12:35 pm

13th Man wrote:He reminds me of Chris Webber but with the outside shot of Chris Bosh.

I see Bosh all around, maybe a little stronger at the same age. Pre-injury Giles really gave me Webber vibes though.

SirChurros · Post #140 » by **SirChurros** » Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:35 pm

Wasn't really much suspense to this announcement, in my opinion.

Rumblings were that Duke was pretty involved him helping him make sure he had everything checked off so he could even apply to reclassify. Would have been a huge slap in the face if that happened and then he spurned the school that helped him get through all of the hoops.