Porzingis Unicorn #3 Thread

[Jstock12]

apparently if you are not worshiping him then you are a hater.

[BKlutch]

Knicks fans: KP, entering his third year, is not the greatest thing since sliced bread yet.

KP gets traded...

Knicks fans: we need to Draft a player like KP!



It's even WORSE on social media comment sections.

--Mags

That's ok, we're really a diverse group. Some of them are:

1. Tank now
... a. Keep Melo -we'll lose more
... b. Take garbage for Melo - we'll lose more
2. Rebuild now
... a. But don't win too much
...... i. Keeping Melo hurts the young guys
...... ii. Keeping Melo helps the young guys learn to win
3. Try to organically develop a team that will win in a few years, but needs time
... a. Keep all our best players and hope for picks
... b. Trade KP for picks or several good kids
4. Rent a player to join Melo to win now
... a. Kyrie will do it for us
... b. Kyrie won't do it for us
... c. Create a place for build the banana boat team next year and then we go back to 1b

Ironically, I've heard "Keep KP" and "Trade KP" for almost all of those choices, above. And there are probably choices I forgot.

[BKlutch]

New video from KP on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/kporzee/videos/vb.755949097788474/1540514079331968/?type=2&theater

[shtolky]

You guys can't have it both ways

You can't say people are hating on him and don't appreciate how amazing he is but then at the same time tell people to calm down with expectations and not point out his weaknesses because he's still so young. Either he's already that amazing or he's not, you can't have it both ways.

Some of you don't allow even the slightest criticism of him, even if it's coming from his fans like most of us on here are, but you don't allow any constructive criticism of him to be made, apparently if you are not worshiping him then you are a hater.

The main issue (at least that I have) about the KP criticism is that most of the complaints about him are valid but only in a vacuum. What I mean by this is is that people rarely take into account his age, what he was supposed to be coming out of the Euroleague, and what he can do as opposed to what he can't. Sure, does his post game need work, yes. Does he need to rebound better, yes. Is he aggressive enough, clearly not. But he just turned 22 and finished his second season. Only a handful of players in HISTORY were basically criticism free after their second season. Take a look at the current crop of stars. Almost all of them really didn't kick it into gear until year 3, 4, sometimes 5. I can name many CURRENT all stars who didn't have the same success in years 1 and 2 as KP has had. Butler, Giannis, Isaiah, George, Westbrook, Harden, Kawhi, etc. I could go on and on, really. Former stars too, hall of famers. Kobe, Dirk, KG, etc. Check out their stats, try and remember how they played in their first two seasons. If we had those guys, I can see how people here would be critical of them because they weren't all stars right away. Now I am not saying KP is better or going to be better than those guys. But he's clearly showing that he's on his way to becoming a star. Let's just watch it happen. Being so young and so good at that age almost gives KP a pass because he's simply following the natural trajectory of improvement. NOBODY expected he would be this good during his first two years. If people thought he would be this successful, he would have gone #2 in the draft and not gotten nearly booed out of the building. If he was like 26-27 and still putting up the same numbers, fine, but he's 22 and already doing things nobody in HISTORY has done. It's a bit baffling the nit picks of a 22 year old near all star when we haven't had a player like that since Ewing.

[magnumt]

You guys can't have it both ways

You can't say people are hating on him and don't appreciate how amazing he is but then at the same time tell people to calm down with expectations and not point out his weaknesses because he's still so young. Either he's already that amazing or he's not, you can't have it both ways.

Some of you don't allow even the slightest criticism of him, even if it's coming from his fans like most of us on here are, but you don't allow any constructive criticism of him to be made, apparently if you are not worshiping him then you are a hater.

How about we just enjoy his development and actually LET IT HAPPEN instead of keep playing armchair GM/Coach?! Speaking generally here SMACK, not at you specifically.

--Mags

[HEZI]

You guys can't have it both ways

You can't say people are hating on him and don't appreciate how amazing he is but then at the same time tell people to calm down with expectations and not point out his weaknesses because he's still so young. Either he's already that amazing or he's not, you can't have it both ways.

Some of you don't allow even the slightest criticism of him, even if it's coming from his fans like most of us on here are, but you don't allow any constructive criticism of him to be made, apparently if you are not worshiping him then you are a hater.

How about we just enjoy his development and actually LET IT HAPPEN instead of keep playing armchair GM/Coach?! Speaking generally here SMACK, not at you specifically.

--Mags

Exactly, we should just enjoy his development and let it happen, that includes not getting too far ahead of ourselves. He's not as good as we all want him to be yet so let's not live in a fantasy land where we pretend that he's already there.

[BKlutch]

You guys can't have it both ways

You can't say people are hating on him and don't appreciate how amazing he is but then at the same time tell people to calm down with expectations and not point out his weaknesses because he's still so young. Either he's already that amazing or he's not, you can't have it both ways.

Some of you don't allow even the slightest criticism of him, even if it's coming from his fans like most of us on here are, but you don't allow any constructive criticism of him to be made, apparently if you are not worshiping him then you are a hater.

How about we just enjoy his development and actually LET IT HAPPEN instead of keep playing armchair GM/Coach?! Speaking generally here SMACK, not at you specifically.

--Mags

I'm doing THIS.

We may not win a lot of games, but I'm planning on enjoying them play.

[Marty McFly]

Hmm...they're more closer than we thought then.

The statistics are not far off & Porz did put up better numbers.

I'll give KG props for him being a lot more natural in his movements (crossovers, ISO's, low post) but my god if Porz ever gets it right with his handle & his post up.....lawd.

Still surprised Porz put up numbers can't lie that's a little intriguing. Also to add to context and maybe a little spooky, exactly 20 years ago & exactly like KG he had the third highest usage:

1996:
Tom Gugliotta - USG% 27.5
Stephon Marbury - USG% 24.2
Kevin Garnett - USG% 21.3

2016:
Carmelo Anthony - USG% 29.1
Derrick Rose - USG% 25.7
Kristaps Porzingis - USG% 24.3

Obviously we all saw what happened when KG was given the keys, let's see what happens with KP.

And their nicknames rhyme, spookier!

at some point its all going to come together. some fans just don't have the patience.

The lack of patience from some is baffling. It's as if because KP hasn't been a dominant 20 and 10 guy during his first two seasons, he's not going to reach those heights. KG, a perennial all-star, a consistent 20 and 10 guy during his prime, didn't average 20 and 10 until year 4, and didn't peak statistically until year NINE.

there are certain people who's opinion i just don't take seriously when it comes to kp. I'm not going to get into the reasons since so many of them are plenty transparent, even if they try to put up a facade that they aren't inherently biased. some guys take longer than others to develop. it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to know that.

[Jalen Bluntson]

You guys can't have it both ways

You can't say people are hating on him and don't appreciate how amazing he is but then at the same time tell people to calm down with expectations and not point out his weaknesses because he's still so young. Either he's already that amazing or he's not, you can't have it both ways.

Some of you don't allow even the slightest criticism of him, even if it's coming from his fans like most of us on here are, but you don't allow any constructive criticism of him to be made, apparently if you are not worshiping him then you are a hater.

How about we just enjoy his development and actually LET IT HAPPEN instead of keep playing armchair GM/Coach?! Speaking generally here SMACK, not at you specifically.

--Mags

Exactly, we should just enjoy his development and let it happen, that includes not getting too far ahead of ourselves. He's not as good as we all want him to be yet so let's not live in a fantasy land where we pretend that he's already there.

Word. I have seen videos, a little of his Euro games. Interviews and workout vids. All I know is I like most of what I see except his speed. I have not seen near enough to really know how good/bad he will be. I can't imagine many have. He hasn't played a single game in the NBA. None of these kids have.

I just can't wait to see him. I can't wait to see all of the kids play. How much will they improve. I know many aren't high on the Baker contract but, I'm looking forward to seeing him get his shooting together. I really like this kid.

Billy...steal of that draft? Really want to see him and KP develop into a good duo. I have hopes that he can become a better defender. Gasol lite. That would really put the rebuild in good shape.

KP...is he gonna become the man? Has he gotten stronger? What's improved in his game?

Is THJr gonna earn any of that money?

Is KOQ gonna become anything reliable?

Dotson...what's his game all about?

Is Jeff a better coach than what we've seen here? I have faith seeing what he did in his rookie year with a little bit of talent and no dictator hanging over his back. I wish we could get his old defensive coach.

So much too look forward to. MElo has to dick around and play NTC games. I hope they play him sparingly in return.

I want to watch these kids develop and be in top 5 this year. Not sure that is possible. Glad we have Gaines scouting for us still. 6 weeks or so? I hate this time of year for sports. Thankful I'm a Yankees fan.

[ChaosHamster]

You guys can't have it both ways

You can't say people are hating on him and don't appreciate how amazing he is but then at the same time tell people to calm down with expectations and not point out his weaknesses because he's still so young. Either he's already that amazing or he's not, you can't have it both ways.

Some of you don't allow even the slightest criticism of him, even if it's coming from his fans like most of us on here are, but you don't allow any constructive criticism of him to be made, apparently if you are not worshiping him then you are a hater.

How about we just enjoy his development and actually LET IT HAPPEN instead of keep playing armchair GM/Coach?! Speaking generally here SMACK, not at you specifically.

--Mags

Exactly, we should just enjoy his development and let it happen, that includes not getting too far ahead of ourselves. He's not as good as we all want him to be yet so let's not live in a fantasy land where we pretend that he's already there.

It all sounds good and reasonable..

Until you read your post a page ago when you rant about his nickname.. Like seriously?

Is this what you wanna go after? "WHY he is called unicorn if he isn't someone unique?".

Again, it all depends on how far you wanna stretch unique..

But just think about it, how many 7+ footers are there who can protect the rim and shoot threes?

[HEZI]

How about we just enjoy his development and actually LET IT HAPPEN instead of keep playing armchair GM/Coach?! Speaking generally here SMACK, not at you specifically.

--Mags

Exactly, we should just enjoy his development and let it happen, that includes not getting too far ahead of ourselves. He's not as good as we all want him to be yet so let's not live in a fantasy land where we pretend that he's already there.

It all sounds good and reasonable..

Until you read your post a page ago when you rant about his nickname.. Like seriously?

Is this what you wanna go after? "WHY he is called unicorn if he isn't someone unique?".

Again, it all depends on how far you wanna stretch unique..

But just think about it, how many 7+ footers are there who can protect the rim and shoot threes?

See, look at you, you just can't fight the itch. You are like the Porzingis police, the moment anybody says anything about him you are on alert. Did I start the unicorn discussion? Go look back at how many people were talking about it before I just added my 2 cents. It's funny how I only see you posting in KP related topics. Everything else about the Knicks doesn't even concern you, something very strange about that.

[thr3ep01nte4]

You guys can't have it both ways

You can't say people are hating on him and don't appreciate how amazing he is but then at the same time tell people to calm down with expectations and not point out his weaknesses because he's still so young. Either he's already that amazing or he's not, you can't have it both ways.

Some of you don't allow even the slightest criticism of him, even if it's coming from his fans like most of us on here are, but you don't allow any constructive criticism of him to be made, apparently if you are not worshiping him then you are a hater.

The main issue (at least that I have) about the KP criticism is that most of the complaints about him are valid but only in a vacuum. What I mean by this is is that people rarely take into account his age, what he was supposed to be coming out of the Euroleague, and what he can do as opposed to what he can't. Sure, does his post game need work, yes. Does he need to rebound better, yes. Is he aggressive enough, clearly not. But he just turned 22 and finished his second season. Only a handful of players in HISTORY were basically criticism free after their second season. Take a look at the current crop of stars. Almost all of them really didn't kick it into gear until year 3, 4, sometimes 5. I can name many CURRENT all stars who didn't have the same success in years 1 and 2 as KP has had. Butler, Giannis, Isaiah, George, Westbrook, Harden, Kawhi, etc. I could go on and on, really. Former stars too, hall of famers. Kobe, Dirk, KG, etc. Check out their stats, try and remember how they played in their first two seasons. If we had those guys, I can see how people here would be critical of them because they weren't all stars right away. Now I am not saying KP is better or going to be better than those guys. But he's clearly showing that he's on his way to becoming a star. Let's just watch it happen. Being so young and so good at that age almost gives KP a pass because he's simply following the natural trajectory of improvement. NOBODY expected he would be this good during his first two years. If people thought he would be this successful, he would have gone #2 in the draft and not gotten nearly booed out of the building. If he was like 26-27 and still putting up the same numbers, fine, but he's 22 and already doing things nobody in HISTORY has done. It's a bit baffling the nit picks of a 22 year old near all star when we haven't had a player like that since Ewing.

Right on. It's a shame that NYC is a place lacks patience.

[ChaosHamster]

Exactly, we should just enjoy his development and let it happen, that includes not getting too far ahead of ourselves. He's not as good as we all want him to be yet so let's not live in a fantasy land where we pretend that he's already there.

It all sounds good and reasonable..

Until you read your post a page ago when you rant about his nickname.. Like seriously?

Is this what you wanna go after? "WHY he is called unicorn if he isn't someone unique?".

Again, it all depends on how far you wanna stretch unique..

But just think about it, how many 7+ footers are there who can protect the rim and shoot threes?

See, look at you, you just can't fight the itch. You are like the Porzingis police, the moment anybody says anything about him you are on alert. Did I start the unicorn discussion? Go look back at how many people were talking about it before I just added my 2 cents. It's funny how I only see you posting in KP related topics. Everything else about the Knicks doesn't even concern you, something very strange about that.

So you wanted me to attack ones who started unicorn discussion too? Strange, my Porzingis police alert didn't work on those posts...

I responded to you, because of exactly what I wrote in my post. I found it amusing that you tried to play "lets be reasonable card", when just a post ago you ranted about, how his nickname isn't precisely accurate..

My posts are indeed, in majority about KP. I'am not a Knicks fan. But I'am heavily interested in a team KP plays for. So saying everything else besides KP doesn't interest me, is wrong.

[DOLPHIN2020]

I hope KP reaches his potential. I want to see Giannis vs KP vs Embiid in the playoffs.

embiid will be out for the season by Christmas. another top 5 pick for the 6ers

[Wolfgang630]

I hope KP reaches his potential. I want to see Giannis vs KP vs Embiid in the playoffs.

embiid will be out for the season by Christmas. another top 5 pick for the 6ers

Trust the process

[HEZI]

It all sounds good and reasonable..

Until you read your post a page ago when you rant about his nickname.. Like seriously?

Is this what you wanna go after? "WHY he is called unicorn if he isn't someone unique?".

Again, it all depends on how far you wanna stretch unique..

But just think about it, how many 7+ footers are there who can protect the rim and shoot threes?

See, look at you, you just can't fight the itch. You are like the Porzingis police, the moment anybody says anything about him you are on alert. Did I start the unicorn discussion? Go look back at how many people were talking about it before I just added my 2 cents. It's funny how I only see you posting in KP related topics. Everything else about the Knicks doesn't even concern you, something very strange about that.

So you wanted me to attack ones who started unicorn discussion too? Strange, my Porzingis police alert didn't work on those posts...

I responded to you, because of exactly what I wrote in my post. I found it amusing that you tried to play "lets be reasonable card", when just a post ago you ranted about, how his nickname isn't precisely accurate..

My posts are indeed, in majority about KP. I'am not a Knicks fan. But I'am heavily interested in a team KP plays for. So saying everything else besides KP doesn't interest me, is wrong.

Well now it makes more sense now. You are just a Porzingis groupie which explains a lot. This is why the way you see things and the way I see things are completely different.

[Jstock12]

There are currently a lot of better players than KP in this league. There are also a few better young prospects. But there literally isn't a single player with a more unique/rare skillset.

Finding a 7'3 guy alone is **** hard.
Finding a coordinated 7'3 guy is that much harder.
Finding an athletic coordinated 7'3 guy is as rare as it gets.
Who also has handles and can put it on the floor?
Who also has a great touch and shoots threes?
Who also has some nice post-moves?
Who also is a great rim protector?..
... at 22 years old?

...

[ChaosHamster]

See, look at you, you just can't fight the itch. You are like the Porzingis police, the moment anybody says anything about him you are on alert. Did I start the unicorn discussion? Go look back at how many people were talking about it before I just added my 2 cents. It's funny how I only see you posting in KP related topics. Everything else about the Knicks doesn't even concern you, something very strange about that.

So you wanted me to attack ones who started unicorn discussion too? Strange, my Porzingis police alert didn't work on those posts...

I responded to you, because of exactly what I wrote in my post. I found it amusing that you tried to play "lets be reasonable card", when just a post ago you ranted about, how his nickname isn't precisely accurate..

My posts are indeed, in majority about KP. I'am not a Knicks fan. But I'am heavily interested in a team KP plays for. So saying everything else besides KP doesn't interest me, is wrong.

Well now it makes more sense now. You are just a Porzingis groupie which explains a lot. This is why the way you see things and the way I see things are completely different.

You are completely talking out of you ass. Do you even know how I see things? If you at least would be familiar with my posts, you would know that I've been critical of Porzingis plenty..

[louieOrr]

Excited about his 3rd season. Sophomore year in the NBA can be tough.

He knows this is the year people have heightened expectations. I suspect his expectations for himself are higher.

I'm confident regardless of our roster, that the offense will be going through him this year.

Let the kid shine! Lets go!

[GONYK]

How about we just enjoy his development and actually LET IT HAPPEN instead of keep playing armchair GM/Coach?! Speaking generally here SMACK, not at you specifically.

--Mags

Exactly, we should just enjoy his development and let it happen, that includes not getting too far ahead of ourselves. He's not as good as we all want him to be yet so let's not live in a fantasy land where we pretend that he's already there.

It all sounds good and reasonable..

Until you read your post a page ago when you rant about his nickname.. Like seriously?

Is this what you wanna go after? "WHY he is called unicorn if he isn't someone unique?".

Again, it all depends on how far you wanna stretch unique..

But just think about it, how many 7+ footers are there who can protect the rim and shoot threes?

how many 7ftrs come off a curl or pin down and knock down a jumper or put the ball on the floor and make a play?