Markelle Fultz Discussion

[eyeatoma]

Maybe. I'm just saying he didn't get to the rim in summer league. DSJ did. Tatum did. Not Fultz.

Maaayyybbeeeee overreacting a tad over 2.5 summer league games dude.

I can only go off Summer League play. That's all we have. Maybe he will be able to get to the rim against actual NBA players on a consistent basis in real games next year instead of the D League and lower level players he was going against in Summer League. We'll see.

Right let's totally ignore his stellar college resume, where that was something he did well at...

[LloydFree]

Watched some video highlights of Kyrie vs Boston last night. Kyrie had wide open layup after wide open layup against the Celtics in the ECF. Not comparing Kyrie to Fultz, but I'm hoping Fultz can get to the rim just like Kyrie did. I'm really hoping we play Boston in the playoffs this year. I love how we match up with them. They have Horford, Baynes and Morris to battle Embiid down low. Kyrie to defend Fultz. Simmons and Roco will lock down Morris and Hayward. They REALLY need Brown and Tatum to quickly become All Stars or they're in big trouble moving forward. Can see Jaylen causing problems for JJ, but I'd throw TLC on him in situations.

We are built to beat Boston in a 7 game series (assuming all healthy of course).

Kyrie has much better handles and is quicker than Fultz so I doubt Fultz can get to the rim as well as Kyrie does. Fultz didn't get to the rim in Summer League. Not quick enough. That's not good.

I don't think you can make a judgement of him based on Summer League. He looked basically the same in Summer League that he did all season.

[Mrcrockpots]

Maybe. I'm just saying he didn't get to the rim in summer league. DSJ did. Tatum did. Not Fultz.

Maaayyybbeeeee overreacting a tad over 2.5 summer league games dude.

I can only go off Summer League play. That's all we have. Maybe he will be able to get to the rim against actual NBA players on a consistent basis in real games next year instead of the D League and lower level players he was going against in Summer League. We'll see.

Yea one month to go. The season can't start soon enough.

[Unbreakable99]

Maaayyybbeeeee overreacting a tad over 2.5 summer league games dude.

I can only go off Summer League play. That's all we have. Maybe he will be able to get to the rim against actual NBA players on a consistent basis in real games next year instead of the D League and lower level players he was going against in Summer League. We'll see.

Right let's totally ignore his stellar college resume, where that was something he did well at...

Fultz was great at using his Okafor spin move getting to the rim. I never saw one clip of him beating his man off the dribble getting to the rim without either a screen or him doing the Okafor spin. I never saw him outside the 3 point line just beat his man alone and got to the rim. I have been asking for clips since before the draft of him and didn't get any. The ones I got were of him using that Okafor spin.

[Mrcrockpots]

Whats going to be exciting is we will definitely be able to get flashes of how Fultz looks with more touches this year. When Embiid sits due to a back to back or whatever, Fultz should have a ton of chances to make an impact this year.

[LloydFree]

I can only go off Summer League play. That's all we have. Maybe he will be able to get to the rim against actual NBA players on a consistent basis in real games next year instead of the D League and lower level players he was going against in Summer League. We'll see.

Right let's totally ignore his stellar college resume, where that was something he did well at...

Fultz was great at using his Okafor spin move getting to the rim. I never saw one clip of him beating his man off the dribble getting to the rim without either a screen or him doing the Okafor spin. I never saw him outside the 3 point line just beat his man alone and got to the rim. I have been asking for clips since before the draft of him and didn't get any. The ones I got were of him using that Okafor spin.

There aren't many. He can't beat a good defender without a screen, even in college. He isn't quick enough. Just hope he can hit his jumpers, when he is open.

[Unbreakable99]

Right let's totally ignore his stellar college resume, where that was something he did well at...

Fultz was great at using his Okafor spin move getting to the rim. I never saw one clip of him beating his man off the dribble getting to the rim without either a screen or him doing the Okafor spin. I never saw him outside the 3 point line just beat his man alone and got to the rim. I have been asking for clips since before the draft of him and didn't get any. The ones I got were of him using that Okafor spin.

There aren't many. He can't beat a good defender without a screen, even in college. He isn't quick enough. Just hope he can hit his jumpers, when he is open.

Yup.

[Sixerscan]

in those two full games he played Fultz averaged more points per minute than anyone in the Utah and Orlando summer leagues, all but like 5 people in Vegas. On above average true shooting.

[CoreyGallagher]

It's difficult to find clips of that because college teams play much more zone and he was rarely given opportunities to get by one person and then have clear run to the basket. There are clips of him getting by his primary defender though, the issue (in regards to finding clips) becomes that other defender's eyes were on him and he would run into two or three of them inside.

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Why are we looking for isolation, though? It's inefficient offense in today's NBA. As long as he can get to his spots and make the shots then I don't understand the issue.

[europeanfan]

The haters brigade doing their daily thing.

At the end of the Celtics/Sixers game Fultz got to the rim (got blocked by help D not by his man) while Tatum took a contested long 2.

But whatever, just wait and see, can't talk to walls.

[Sixersftw]

I can only go off Summer League play. That's all we have. Maybe he will be able to get to the rim against actual NBA players on a consistent basis in real games next year instead of the D League and lower level players he was going against in Summer League. We'll see.

Right let's totally ignore his stellar college resume, where that was something he did well at...

Fultz was great at using his Okafor spin move getting to the rim. I never saw one clip of him beating his man off the dribble getting to the rim without either a screen or him doing the Okafor spin. I never saw him outside the 3 point line just beat his man alone and got to the rim. I have been asking for clips since before the draft of him and didn't get any. The ones I got were of him using that Okafor spin.

Here's the answer I gave you to this question in May.

I'd just like someone to tell me the minute and second mark in a Fultz highlight reel where he beats his man off the dribble without the help of a screen and he doesn't spin away from the defender. I want to find the footage where he beats his man to create separation. Please someone just show it to me. I'd really like to see it. Otherwise please don't tell me he does that. The tape doesn't lie. I have no agenda towards Fultz. He seems like a great guy who worked hard. He didn't even make the varsity his sophomore year in high school. That tells me he's sort of like a late bloomer and really worked on his game. I like that. That shows dedication. He's a fine prospect. I'm just not seeing a clear top pick and clearly on another tier just yet. Maybe he will become the best player in the draft. I've been wrong before.

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I just watched 5 minutes and obviously Fultz's teammates and competition are garbage. It's kind of arbitrary to set these parameters (no spin move, no pick) though as separation is separation. He's not A.I. but he certainly ain't Evan Turner.

Thank you. I appreciate it. They weren't not quite what I call beating them but he's he did beat his man on those clips. Some weren't in a defensive stance but those are at least better.

Well, that was disingenuous.

[Ericb5]

I'm not convinced that Fultz is going to be a great penetrator in the NBA. What I AM convinced of is that he is both a shooter, and a scorer.

He will get to the basket a lot based on the attention given to Embiid and Simmons, but in terms of pure half court penetration, I don't think that will be his game.

Irving on the other hand is the best player in the league at that.


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[Sixersftw]

I'm not convinced that Fultz is going to be a great penetrator in the NBA. What I AM convinced of is that he is both a shooter, and a scorer.

He will get to the basket a lot based on the attention given to Embiid and Simmons, but in terms of pure half court penetration, I don't think that will be his game.

Irving on the other hand is the best player in the league at that.


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His ability to get to the rim doesn't concern me at all. He seems to get to the rim fairly consistently but his finishing waxes and wanes.

But yes, he'll never be Kyrie in terms of penetration or finishing at the rack. It sucks that I have to hate that guy now.

[Mrcrockpots]

I'm not convinced that Fultz is going to be a great penetrator in the NBA. What I AM convinced of is that he is both a shooter, and a scorer.

He will get to the basket a lot based on the attention given to Embiid and Simmons, but in terms of pure half court penetration, I don't think that will be his game.

Irving on the other hand is the best player in the league at that.


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His ability to get to the rim doesn't concern me at all. He seems to get to the rim fairly consistently but his finishing waxes and wanes.

But yes, he'll never be Kyrie in terms of penetration or finishing at the rack. It sucks that I have to hate that guy now.

Put me in the camp that thinks Fultz can be an elite finisher ala Dwayne Wade. No disrespect to my Sixers friends, but all of this talk that he can't get to the rim is absolutely hilarious. Fultz is elite at finishing through contact. The tape will tell. One more month man.

[Chris76]

I'm not convinced that Fultz is going to be a great penetrator in the NBA. What I AM convinced of is that he is both a shooter, and a scorer.

He will get to the basket a lot based on the attention given to Embiid and Simmons, but in terms of pure half court penetration, I don't think that will be his game.

Irving on the other hand is the best player in the league at that.


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His ability to get to the rim doesn't concern me at all. He seems to get to the rim fairly consistently but his finishing waxes and wanes.

But yes, he'll never be Kyrie in terms of penetration or finishing at the rack. It sucks that I have to hate that guy now.

Put me in the camp that thinks Fultz can be an elite finisher ala Dwayne Wade. No disrespect to my Sixers friends, but all of this talk that he can't get to the rim is absolutely hilarious. Fultz is elite at finishing through contact. The tape will tell. One more month man.

Fultz and Malik Monk should be good shooters, but Monk may struggle to get good shots thru contact. Whereas, Fultz can use his hesitation moves to get his shots off, almost Kobe-like.

[JojoSlimbiid]

Not worried at all about the driving. It's a non-issue I think he's gonna get in the paint plenty off of closeouts,PnR's, and isolation. I'm more worried about his finishing. He's actually a pretty inconsistent finisher almost want to say he's not a good finisher at the moment but the stats disapprove that assertion.

[ivysixer2000]

Not worried at all about the driving. It's a non-issue I think he's gonna get in the paint plenty off of closeouts,PnR's, and isolation. I'm more worried about his finishing. He's actually a pretty inconsistent finisher almost want to say he's not a good finisher at the moment but the stats disapprove that assertion.

Well at least you let stats/facts get in the way of something that just isn't true. Simmons hasn't stepped on the court but is generational while Fultz gets treated like he's a Celtic......wait I think Tatum gets treated better here.

Guess we are going to throw batteries at Fultz in his first game, why not.

Seriously (not you btw), at least we could give him a game or two before everyone says he sucks. I would love to see Fultz put up 40 in the first game against Wall to shut all these haters up.

[Unbreakable99]

Not worried at all about the driving. It's a non-issue I think he's gonna get in the paint plenty off of closeouts,PnR's, and isolation. I'm more worried about his finishing. He's actually a pretty inconsistent finisher almost want to say he's not a good finisher at the moment but the stats disapprove that assertion.

Well at least you let stats/facts get in the way of something that just isn't true. Simmons hasn't stepped on the court but is generational while Fultz gets treated like he's a Celtic......wait I think Tatum gets treated better here.

Guess we are going to throw batteries at Fultz in his first game, why not.

Seriously (not you btw), at least we could give him a game or two before everyone says he sucks. I would love to see Fultz put up 40 in the first game against Wall to shut all these haters up.

If Fultz can become as good as McCollum I'll be relieved. I won't be happy if he's only as good because we gave up a lot for him but at least he would be a good NBA player. I think he can at least get to that level.

[ivysixer2000]

Not worried at all about the driving. It's a non-issue I think he's gonna get in the paint plenty off of closeouts,PnR's, and isolation. I'm more worried about his finishing. He's actually a pretty inconsistent finisher almost want to say he's not a good finisher at the moment but the stats disapprove that assertion.

Well at least you let stats/facts get in the way of something that just isn't true. Simmons hasn't stepped on the court but is generational while Fultz gets treated like he's a Celtic......wait I think Tatum gets treated better here.

Guess we are going to throw batteries at Fultz in his first game, why not.

Seriously (not you btw), at least we could give him a game or two before everyone says he sucks. I would love to see Fultz put up 40 in the first game against Wall to shut all these haters up.

If Fultz can become as good as McCollum I'll be relieved. I won't be happy if he's only as good because we gave up a lot for him but at least he would be a good NBA player. I think he can at least get to that level.

Fair enough, 'can become' are the key words there. I've seen you mention him in the past, you do realize CJ stayed in school all 4 years of college, and took 2 years in the NBA to develop. CJ was 24 before he did anything significant, are you willing to wait on Fultz for 5 years??

Probably not. Point is, you guys are being a lil hard on him for his age....I know its a 'we want it right now' kinda mentality, it might happen like that, it might not. But jumping on a kid too early could ruin his confidence for forever, its happened time and time again.

What I hope your not saying is you expect him to be a fully developed CJ at 19, not like we should expect Simmons to be a fully developed Bron right now. How good was Embiid at 19....not as good as now, that took 4 years. Guess what, Ball's shot will stink cause people will actually guard him, but he will put up some good all around numbers to make himself look better cause that team doesn't have much rebounding or assists. Ball is also young and can develop, but that shot is hard to fix. He will make alot if left open of course, contested 3s in the NBA will be a huge problem....shots that Fultz will probably have more success with.

Back to Fultz, he already has a pretty developed game for his age, so its easy to question him. "He's already reached his peak', is the mentality. There are alot of things he can improve upon, but he has alot of special skills at his age also. Since your wanting him to be CJ.....give him 5 years....

[LloydFree]

Not worried at all about the driving. It's a non-issue I think he's gonna get in the paint plenty off of closeouts,PnR's, and isolation. I'm more worried about his finishing. He's actually a pretty inconsistent finisher almost want to say he's not a good finisher at the moment but the stats disapprove that assertion.

Well at least you let stats/facts get in the way of something that just isn't true. Simmons hasn't stepped on the court but is generational while Fultz gets treated like he's a Celtic......wait I think Tatum gets treated better here.

Guess we are going to throw batteries at Fultz in his first game, why not.

Seriously (not you btw), at least we could give him a game or two before everyone says he sucks. I would love to see Fultz put up 40 in the first game against Wall to shut all these haters up.

If Fultz can become as good as McCollum I'll be relieved. I won't be happy if he's only as good because we gave up a lot for him but at least he would be a good NBA player. I think he can at least get to that level.

CJ McCollum is a realistic outcome for Fultz. If he tightens up his handle and improves his shooting, he's the type player I can see as his ceiling. He isn't anything close to Dwayne Wade, because he's not close to being that kind of athlete, but CJ McCollum or Bradley Beal or Manu Ginobli... Fultz isn't going to overwhelm any defender physically, so that limits his upside, but if he continues to develop his all around Skillset, he could be very good.

I saw another old-head on here mention Andrew Toney as a realistic outcome a while ago. Believe it or not, I can totally see that. He has some of the same skills and movements. I would be ecstatic if Fultz could replicate that.