Kyrie Irving has requested a trade. Do we have a shot?

[The Real Dalic]

Kyrie/Rozier
Brown/Smart
Hayward/Tatum
Morris/Yabusele
Horford/Baynes


Boston finished 1st in the East this past season, I think they finish 4th this year.

Cavs
Wizards
Raptors
Celtics
Bucks
Hawks
Hornets
Pistons
Heat
Pacers
Philly
Bulls
Knicks
Magic
Nets

Why are we 14th in the East on your list? Why are the Hawks in the playoffs? We're going to be in the middle of the pack of the bad teams. Anyway, I don't know how you feel about Hayward and Irving, but it seems like you're underrating them; because they're definitely going to be either the first, or second seed.

We are not going to be middle of the pack, unless we see MAJOR improvement from EP, AG and Mario. I don't think we are that much better than last season. IF the new FO, Martins and Devos had a brain, they'd sell off Vuc, Fournier, Biz, Augustine and tank. But they don't, so we'll win maybe a few more games, getting another crappy lotto pick and be right in the same situation we are in, next summer.
Oops I meant Heat in the Hawks spot. My bad. I like Both Hayward and Irving, and could see them challenging for 2nd-4th, but the Wiz and Raps keep getting better and better. Honestly 1-4 in the East will be a toss up, only 4 players from last seasons' Celtics roster, are still on the team.

Well, as you know, I'm very against tanking and love the way we're doing things.

I also disagree about not improving that much. Mack is a very underrated hard working backup PG and Simmons was a steal for the price we got him. We replace Jeff Green as the backup SF/PF with Isaac. We have Ross from training camp this year. Ibaka was apparently a very big locker room cancer with the team this year and players were not happy with him here. Chemistry is a very important part of basketball.

My favorite part and probably the most underapprieciated part is that we're finally going to have some continuity and familiarity with our players and coaches. That should help us to improve. Sometimes, the best move to make is none at all.

I kinda figured you had the Hawks and Heat mixed up. Lol. But I still think they're way too high on your list. They just lost Dwight, Milsap, and Hardaway. I have them as the second worst team in the East. They're going to be very bad.

I can see the Raptors and Wizards in the conversation for the second seed, but I just think that Cleveland got way better with a bright future as well and Boston added a stud PG and an all star SF this year. Yeah, they lost Bradley, Crowder, and Thomas; but they replaced them with upgrades (except for Bradley) and they have young players that can improve as well.

[Nemesis21]

Why are we 14th in the East on your list? Why are the Hawks in the playoffs? We're going to be in the middle of the pack of the bad teams. Anyway, I don't know how you feel about Hayward and Irving, but it seems like you're underrating them; because they're definitely going to be either the first, or second seed.

We are not going to be middle of the pack, unless we see MAJOR improvement from EP, AG and Mario. I don't think we are that much better than last season. IF the new FO, Martins and Devos had a brain, they'd sell off Vuc, Fournier, Biz, Augustine and tank. But they don't, so we'll win maybe a few more games, getting another crappy lotto pick and be right in the same situation we are in, next summer.
Oops I meant Heat in the Hawks spot. My bad. I like Both Hayward and Irving, and could see them challenging for 2nd-4th, but the Wiz and Raps keep getting better and better. Honestly 1-4 in the East will be a toss up, only 4 players from last seasons' Celtics roster, are still on the team.

Well, as you know, I'm very against tanking and love the way we're doing things.

I also disagree about not improving that much. Mack is a very underrated hard working backup PG and Simmons was a steal for the price we got him. We replace Jeff Green as the backup SF/PF with Isaac. We have Ross from training camp this year. Ibaka was apparently a very big locker room cancer with the team this year and players were not happy with him here. Chemistry is a very important part of basketball.

My favorite part and probably the most underapprieciated part is that we're finally going to have some continuity and familiarity with our players and coaches. That should help us to improve. Sometimes, the best move to make is none at all.

I kinda figured you had the Hawks and Heat mixed up. Lol. But I still think they're way too high on your list. They just lost Dwight, Milsap, and Hardaway. I have them as the second worst team in the East. They're going to be very bad.

I can see the Raptors and Wizards in the conversation for the second seed, but I just think that Cleveland got way better with a bright future as well and Boston added a stud PG and an all star SF this year. Yeah, they lost Bradley, Crowder, and Thomas; but they replaced them with upgrades (except for Bradley) and they have young players that can improve as well.

I just don't see it. Maybe 35 wins, which is 6 more than last year. But will still net us a crappy lotto pick. Next summer we are wondering WTF yet again.

[ralphie9898]

They were already out of cap flexibility. After signing Hayward they were out of cap space for a while and they have guys like Smart still to resign or lose as well as payments coming higher for Tatum in four years. What they had was a great amount of assets in picks and young talent on good deals and now they have less of that. Yeah and Kyrie had Lebron's help in destroying a Celtics team with a hobbled Isaiah Thomas. Irving may be an upgrade but I don't know if it will be an upgrade worth giving all that up for. They are similar players and Isaiah is only slightly behind in the numbers which I wonder how playing with Lebron will change that. Same goes for how Kyrie plays without James. We shall see and yeah Cleveland is depending on a lot of future prospects but if they pan out it could look more like one of the deals that Ainge had pulled off in the pasts for Cleveland. We shall see but only time will tell how this trade fares for both teams.

I guess in their mind 25 years old 6'2 PG is more valuable than 28 years old 5'9 one . Can't blame them.
Allstar for allstar trades are crazy rare i didn't expect this .

It also remains to be seen that the Celtics probably know more about ITs injury and how it will effect him moving forward. This trade makes the cavs more flexible and makes sense for the Celtics roster. The nets definitely got better adding russel, crabbe, and a returning lin.

Lopez was a better player for now then Russell is. So i don't know how you see the Nets getting better there. Crabbe and Lin are at best backups and don't change them that much. They are still one of the worst teams in the league and if they win more I don't think it will be more than a few more games which given how many they won last year still makes them one of the worst teams. Yeah the East lost two stars but there are still better teams that also added some talent and still have far better talent then Brooklyn has.

[ralphie9898]

If Thomas' injury is bad then why would Cleveland do the trade?

Players have to pass physicals before trades are official and I assume medical information is passed on before it reaches that point so I don't think Thomas' injury will be much of an issue.

For the Brooklyn pick. But yeah I don't think the injury is that big of a deal but I don't have any inside information so at best it is a guess. Cleveland got a very good trade even if Thomas ends up leaving next summer. as It does save them money though with them still giving big money to guys like Love, Thompson, and J.R. still don't give them much space to work with even if Lebron also leaves. But I think this is also their best way to keep Lebron. As they still got Isaiah who can provide similar offensive ability as Kyrie. They also get some good young talent that won't cost them much and with the Brooklyn pick it could net them a really good young player or be a great trade piece similar to what Cleveland got when they won the right to pick Andrew Wiggins. We shall see. But Thomas and Crowder can keep them on a trajectory for the Finals ahead of Boston this year while still having good enough future assets to jump start a rebuild.

[VFX]

I guess in their mind 25 years old 6'2 PG is more valuable than 28 years old 5'9 one . Can't blame them.
Allstar for allstar trades are crazy rare i didn't expect this .

It also remains to be seen that the Celtics probably know more about ITs injury and how it will effect him moving forward. This trade makes the cavs more flexible and makes sense for the Celtics roster. The nets definitely got better adding russel, crabbe, and a returning lin.

Lopez was a better player for now then Russell is. So i don't know how you see the Nets getting better there. Crabbe and Lin are at best backups and don't change them that much. They are still one of the worst teams in the league and if they win more I don't think it will be more than a few more games which given how many they won last year still makes them one of the worst teams. Yeah the East lost two stars but there are still better teams that also added some talent and still have far better talent then Brooklyn has.

Wade will be bought out leaving Chicago in shambles. The same could be said for Indiana. We are bad and so are the Knicks. ATL is terrible also. Lopez wasn't exactly winning them games.

I don't know why you are so compelled about this thinking Brooklyn will be as bad as they were last year with a newly recovered Lin and two more scorers in Russell and crabbe. They will be bad, but they aren't THAT far removed from a lot of eastern teams.

[ralphie9898]

It also remains to be seen that the Celtics probably know more about ITs injury and how it will effect him moving forward. This trade makes the cavs more flexible and makes sense for the Celtics roster. The nets definitely got better adding russel, crabbe, and a returning lin.

Lopez was a better player for now then Russell is. So i don't know how you see the Nets getting better there. Crabbe and Lin are at best backups and don't change them that much. They are still one of the worst teams in the league and if they win more I don't think it will be more than a few more games which given how many they won last year still makes them one of the worst teams. Yeah the East lost two stars but there are still better teams that also added some talent and still have far better talent then Brooklyn has.

Wade will be bought out leaving Chicago in shambles. The same could be said for Indiana. We are bad and so are the Knicks. ATL is terrible also. Lopez wasn't exactly winning them games.

I don't know why you are so compelled about this thinking Brooklyn will be as bad as they were last year with a newly recovered Lin and two more scorers in Russell and crabbe. They will be bad, but they aren't THAT far removed from a lot of eastern teams.

Yeah Chicago will but I am not sure Indi falls as far as people think or that Atlanta does. They probably miss out on the playoffs but I think they are better then Brooklyn. The Knicks have a decent shot at on the last couple playoff spots. They are better then Brooklyn. We also are better off then Brooklyn. Brooklyn is not very good and didn't get better and is likely to be just as bad as Chicago. But only time will tell. We can argue about it all day long until we actually get the results.

[Bensational]

Brooklyn will still be bottom 3 in the East. Russell and Crabbe aren't putting any extra W's up for them, IMO.

[PrimeThyme]

In my opinion, we will finish in no man's land in the east around the 10 spot. It would be tough for me to see us finishing worse than Atlanta, Chicago, Indiana, or the Nets next year. I think we will be equally as bad as the Knicks. I'm still not fully convinced that an injury prone Embiid and two rookies will be better than us next year, but on talent alone, I think they finish ahead of us. I still don't see us having a real shot at the 8th seed though. Miami and Detroit, especially with their new additions, are better teams than us that will round out that 7-8 spot.

[pepe1991]

In my opinion, we will finish in no man's land in the east around the 10 spot. It would be tough for me to see us finishing worse than Atlanta, Chicago, Indiana, or the Nets next year. I think we will be equally as bad as the Knicks. I'm still not fully convinced that an injury prone Embiid and two rookies will be better than us next year, but on talent alone, I think they finish ahead of us. I still don't see us having a real shot at the 8th seed though. Miami and Detroit, especially with their new additions, are better teams than us that will round out that 7-8 spot.

I think that some of doom and gloom predictions about Pacers are not really realistic. I don't see them falling to >33 games category.
Derron Collison, Corey Joseph at PG ( Brooks third string PG )
Oladipo and Lance at SG
Bogdanovic and Glen Robinson III at SF
Young and Leaf at Pf along with Sabonis
Turner and Big Al at C

that team really isn't that bad at all ,especially on east. If Turner is actually that good they should not have problems putting themself in position to fight for playoffs. Imagine Oladipo getting 22 ppg leading team to playoffs

[JAY DASH]

Naw the Nets are awful. Any combination of Lin/Russell/Crabbe instantly becomes the absolute worst defensive backcourt in the NBA. I do like the draft pick they scooped up in Jarrett Allen, but overall they're going to be one of the 4 worst teams in the NBA barring a miracle.

As far as the trade I like it for Cleveland. Gives them their best win now chance pairing LeBron with IT4 and Crowder, plus that pick can either be used as a rebuilding chip, or they can go all in and package it with a couple of guys and try to bring in another big time player sometime during the season.

I don't dislike it for Boston, but I do think giving up the pick was surprising. The Cavs got a guy that just finished Top 5 in the MVP voting plus Crowder who is an immense upgrade from Richard Jefferson.

[drsd]

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[drsd]

In my opinion, we will finish in no man's land in the east around the 10 spot. It would be tough for me to see us finishing worse than Atlanta, Chicago, Indiana, or the Nets next year. I think we will be equally as bad as the Knicks. I'm still not fully convinced that an injury prone Embiid and two rookies will be better than us next year, but on talent alone, I think they finish ahead of us. I still don't see us having a real shot at the 8th seed though. Miami and Detroit, especially with their new additions, are better teams than us that will round out that 7-8 spot.

Was looking for a cute mediocrity GIF, but found this instead:



As for my 2p on this topic:
Orlando will have a better record than: Brooklyn Nets, New York Knicks, Chicago Bulls, Indiana Pacers, and Atlanta Hawks.
Orlando will have a worse record than: Boston Celtics, Cleveland Cavaliers, Toronto Raptors, Washington Wizards, Milwaukee Bucks, and Charlotte Hornets.

This means I predict two playoff spots between: Miami Heat, Detroit Pistons, Orlando Magic, and Philadelphia 76ers. If I was to bet on it, my wager would be on Detroit and Philly. With Miami at 9 and Orlando at 10. But those four will probably cluster at 7-10 with ~3 games as the total separation.


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[ralphie9898]

In my opinion, we will finish in no man's land in the east around the 10 spot. It would be tough for me to see us finishing worse than Atlanta, Chicago, Indiana, or the Nets next year. I think we will be equally as bad as the Knicks. I'm still not fully convinced that an injury prone Embiid and two rookies will be better than us next year, but on talent alone, I think they finish ahead of us. I still don't see us having a real shot at the 8th seed though. Miami and Detroit, especially with their new additions, are better teams than us that will round out that 7-8 spot.

Was looking for a cute mediocrity GIF, but found this instead:



As for my 2p on this topic:
Orlando will have a better record than: Brooklyn Nets, New York Knicks, Chicago Bulls, Indiana Pacers, and Atlanta Hawks.
Orlando will have a worse record than: Boston Celtics, Cleveland Cavaliers, Toronto Raptors, Washington Wizards, Milwaukee Bucks, and Charlotte Hornets.

This means I predict two playoff spots between: Miami Heat, Detroit Pistons, Orlando Magic, and Philadelphia 76ers. If I was to bet on it, my wager would be on Detroit and Philly. With Miami at 9 and Orlando at 10. But those four will probably cluster at 7-10 with ~3 games as the total separation.


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Yeah Ny was better than us last year and they have kept pace with us as far as additions versus subtractions. I think they will be in a fight with us for positioning. I could see them being better or being worse. I think Miami is clearly better then us and I doubt we will be competing with them for a playoff spot. The same goes for Detroit though we are closer to Detroit then we are to Miami. I also can see Indi possibly being a game better. Yeah they are not clearly better but I think they could but only time will tell. We shall see. The East has a good cluster of teams that are similar who could fight for a playoff spot but also could still fight for a high lottery position. After that we have to wait for the lottery to see where we ultimately fall.

[pepe1991]

lol Ainge played Cavs with IT injury and him not even being able to run for 3 months

[ralphie9898]

lol Ainge played Cavs with IT injury and him not even being able to run for 3 months

yeah maybe. I haven't heard anything official on how long Thomas will be out or how exactly the level of seriousness there is for his ability to play this season. But the Trade can still be vetoed as it isn't officially official yet. The Physicals have made it possible that everyone here stays put and it is reported that unless Boston gives more they could veto the trade. We shall see.

[pepe1991]

lol Ainge played Cavs with IT injury and him not even being able to run for 3 months

yeah maybe. I haven't heard anything official on how long Thomas will be out or how exactly the level of seriousness there is for his ability to play this season. But the Trade can still be vetoed as it isn't officially official yet. The Physicals have made it possible that everyone here stays put and it is reported that unless Boston gives more they could veto the trade. We shall see.

Pulling out of a trade would be bad for both sides so i guess they will find a way to to make it work. Imagine on opening night Cavs vs Celtics with Irving playing for Cavs after he was Celtic for few days

[Jiwol]

Pulling out of trade would be bad only for the Celtics. Actually disastrous while Cavs would be perfectly fine. Kyrie wants out anyway, Cavs still have many options to trade him. Meanwhile Ainge just can't get IT back after what he's done. IT was reportedly devastated and felt betrayed, he won't be able to play with heart even if he stays. No mending to this broken relationship. They would need to seek further trades unless they want to deal with major chemistry problems. I don't think Crowder would be a happy camper either. I'm starting to wonder if it was just a big smokescreen on behalf of the Cavs to **** up their biggest rival in the East.

[pepe1991]

Pulling out of trade would be bad only for the Celtics. Actually disastrous while Cavs would be perfectly fine. Kyrie wants out anyway, Cavs still have many options to trade him. Meanwhile Ainge just can't get IT back after what he's done. IT was reportedly devastated and felt betrayed, he won't be able to play with heart even if he stays. No mending to this broken relationship. They would need to seek further trades unless they want to deal with major chemistry problems. I don't think Crowder would be a happy camper either. I'm starting to wonder if it was just a big smokescreen on behalf of the Cavs to **** up their biggest rival in the East.

From whole situation by far biggest winner are Warriors.
Irving and Lebron and their relationship is in flame so they can't put them on the floor at opening night ( month and half away ).
Shumper wants out as well.

If IT isn't healthy he isn't much of an asset for Celtics anyway. He is 28-29 5'9 PG and it doesn't matter how good he was year before.
Crowder is most tradable nba contract. Litreally 29 other teams would make a play for him.
Nets pick is just ball in lottery so no demage there and Žižić is rookie who never played official game for Celtics anyway ( but SL )-

Whole this IT drama is lose lose situation for both sides . IT for sure can't go back to Ainge but in same time he probably won't be too happy with new team having zero trust in his ability to recover and play on high level again.

I'm interested in whole situation because it's silly to me that Cavs now act that they didn't know IT was hurt. So we, casual fans knew but they didn't ? Brad Stevens made comments a day before that they were in wait and see mode on his status. Ainge said after the trade that health made some difference in the decision to trade. The whole Celtics board knew there was a really good possibility he wouldn't be ready to go. But Cavs didn't know any of that?

Again, if you are Cavs your main goal in that trade wasn't IT ( with potential $200M at age of 29 ) , it was Nets unprotected pick all along, IT just happend to be great "bandage" for wound that opened when Irving left

[ralphie9898]

lol Ainge played Cavs with IT injury and him not even being able to run for 3 months

yeah maybe. I haven't heard anything official on how long Thomas will be out or how exactly the level of seriousness there is for his ability to play this season. But the Trade can still be vetoed as it isn't officially official yet. The Physicals have made it possible that everyone here stays put and it is reported that unless Boston gives more they could veto the trade. We shall see.

Pulling out of a trade would be bad for both sides so i guess they will find a way to to make it work. Imagine on opening night Cavs vs Celtics with Irving playing for Cavs after he was Celtic for few days

yeah it would. But yeah that is the time we live in as stuff gets reported alot before it actually is completely official. Yeah I think they have to make it work too, especially for Cleveland who already had concerns about Kyrie not wanting to continue playing for them prior to the trade. So we shall see.

[pepe1991]

yeah maybe. I haven't heard anything official on how long Thomas will be out or how exactly the level of seriousness there is for his ability to play this season. But the Trade can still be vetoed as it isn't officially official yet. The Physicals have made it possible that everyone here stays put and it is reported that unless Boston gives more they could veto the trade. We shall see.

Pulling out of a trade would be bad for both sides so i guess they will find a way to to make it work. Imagine on opening night Cavs vs Celtics with Irving playing for Cavs after he was Celtic for few days

yeah it would. But yeah that is the time we live in as stuff gets reported alot before it actually is completely official. Yeah I think they have to make it work too, especially for Cleveland who already had concerns about Kyrie not wanting to continue playing for them prior to the trade. So we shall see.

Maybe this fiasco can help somebody like Wizards or Raptors to sneak into conference or even big finals.