WojBomb: BOS/CLE deal could be voided after IT's physical (Part 2)

NBA Fan 1234 · Post #1 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:28 pm

Continuation from viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1610042

Also, quit it with the insults. If you guys can't discuss this cordially, you won't be discussing it on the GB at all. Keep it civil.

Seabass11 · Post #2 » by **Seabass11** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:31 pm

BadWolf wrote:Do you really think Cavs didn't look into IT's medical documentation, scans, rehab progress and everything before the trade?

Do teams have access to this info on players from other teams? I would think the only info they have on a player's health is what the opposing team gives them...hence the very common practice of including a physical of their own in the conditions of the trade.

MotownMadness · Post #3 » by **MotownMadness** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:32 pm

When is the deadline on this deal?

Post #4 » by **INKtastic** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:33 pm

BadWolf wrote:
INKtastic wrote:
BadWolf wrote:Do you really think Cavs didn't look into IT's medical documentation, scans, rehab progress and everything before the trade?

They have a new scan from the 25th that provides more accurate information than anything that was available prior.

Sure, but accusing Celtics of withholding information is weird, i'm sure Cavs looked thoroughly into all the medical data available before agreeing to a trade. And I'm just as sure danny knew they'd do additional tests and scans at the physical.

I don't think they are accusing the Celtics of withholding information, they probably are eventually asking for additional compensation to account for the new information.

If they take the trade as is, they get back less than they expected. If they reject the trade, the Celtics get back less than they thought they sent out. Accepting or rejecting the trade isn't going to change the MRI results from Friday. Both sides should be motivated to make an adjustment to the trade to take that into account.

Sactowndog · Post #5 » by **Sactowndog** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:33 pm

@karkinos FWIW I am color blind. I assume green font equals sarcasm?

Post #6 » by **Froob** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:34 pm

MotownMadness wrote:When is the deadline on this deal?

Wednesday. Hopefully the Cavs aren't sitting on their hands and are communicating with Boston if they aren't doing it as is because that's what it looks like.

John Murdoch · Post #7 » by **John Murdoch** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:35 pm

Give up Rozier and lets move on

Post #8 » by **INKtastic** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:35 pm

Froob wrote:
MotownMadness wrote:When is the deadline on this deal?

Wednesday. Hopefully the Cavs aren't sitting on their hands and are communicating with Boston if they aren't doing it as is because that's what it looks like.

no, it's 10 AM Thursday. From NBA.com

The deadline for all players involved in the trade to pass physicals is on Thursday, but it can be extended with mutual agreement by both teams, according to Wojnarowski.

http://www.nba.com/article/2017/08/26/report-cleveland-cavaliers-seek-further-compensation-after-isaiah-thomas

ballbrah · Post #9 » by **ballbrah** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:35 pm

Let's get this deal done already! I wonder if Cle could make it a 3 way and flip IT and a pick to the Suns for Bledsoe?

thatzidimitriou · Post #10 » by **thatzidimitriou** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:35 pm

Is there a time limit that this trade has to be accepted or voided?

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Fantaxp7 · Post #11 » by **Fantaxp7** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:36 pm

The more I think about it I bet Ainge is having deja vu from Rondo. Attempted to have him come back after that ACL surgery to evaluate him and see if he ups his value.

Ainge probably doesn't want to take a chance that IT won't be 100% ever again and his trade value once the season starts or whenever he comes back will be much lower.

BadWolf · Post #12 » by **BadWolf** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:37 pm

INKtastic wrote:
BadWolf wrote:
INKtastic wrote:
They have a new scan from the 25th that provides more accurate information than anything that was available prior.

Sure, but accusing Celtics of withholding information is weird, i'm sure Cavs looked thoroughly into all the medical data available before agreeing to a trade. And I'm just as sure danny knew they'd do additional tests and scans at the physical.

I don't think they are accusing the Celtics of withholding information, they probably are eventually asking for additional compensation to account for the new information.

If they take the trade as is, they get back less than they expected. If they reject the trade, the Celtics get back less than they thought they sent out. Accepting or rejecting the trade isn't going to change the MRI results from Friday. Both sides should be motivated to make an adjustment to the trade to take that into account.

Cavs might not, but that's a hot topic here.
And jbk1234, i really don't know what you're talking about. You seem to think it's weird that Danny didn't ask them to void the physical? Maybe i just don't understand.

i really don't care whether this trade goes through or not, but thought it was an overpay at the time. The package with injured IT is still better then that Bucks package and could be much better if that pick gets really high.

karkinos · Post #13 » by **karkinos** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:37 pm

Sactowndog wrote:@karkinos FWIW I am color blind. I assume green font equals sarcasm?

yup
i figured as much

JJ_PR · Post #14 » by **JJ_PR** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:38 pm

I don't know why there's so much discussion regarding the subject. Simply put, the cavs thought they where getting Isaiah Thomas, Jae Crowder, Ante Zizic and the Brooklyn pick. Instead, they're getting Jae Crowder, Ante Zizic, the Brooklyn pick and a 7m expiring contract. Seems to me like Ainge tried to fleece his way into a star, like he does in all his trades. Bummer.

Celts17Pride · Post #15 » by **Celts17Pride** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:38 pm

John Murdoch wrote:Give up Rozier and lets move on

No. Nothing. Just man up and rescind the deal

BadWolf · Post #16 » by **BadWolf** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:39 pm

Seabass11 wrote:
BadWolf wrote:Do you really think Cavs didn't look into IT's medical documentation, scans, rehab progress and everything before the trade?

Do teams have access to this info on players from other teams? I would think the only info they have on a player's health is what the opposing team gives them...hence the very common practice of including a physical of their own in the conditions of the trade.

No idea really, but seems logical they do.
Would you agree to trade for an injured guy before seeing the documentation?

clyde21 · Post #17 » by **clyde21** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:40 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
John Murdoch wrote:Give up Rozier and lets move on

No. Nothing. Just man up and rescind the deal

Well, that would be kind of awkward.

Fantaxp7 · Post #18 » by **Fantaxp7** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:41 pm

BadWolf wrote:
Seabass11 wrote:
BadWolf wrote:Do you really think Cavs didn't look into IT's medical documentation, scans, rehab progress and everything before the trade?

Do teams have access to this info on players from other teams? I would think the only info they have on a player's health is what the opposing team gives them...hence the very common practice of including a physical of their own in the conditions of the trade.

No idea really, but seems logical they do.
Would you agree to trade for an injured guy before seeing the documentation?

New business idea: PlayerFax

Post #19 » by **INKtastic** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:41 pm

BadWolf wrote:
INKtastic wrote:
BadWolf wrote:
Sure, but accusing Celtics of withholding information is weird, i'm sure Cavs looked thoroughly into all the medical data available before agreeing to a trade. And I'm just as sure danny knew they'd do additional tests and scans at the physical.

I don't think they are accusing the Celtics of withholding information, they probably are eventually asking for additional compensation to account for the new information.

If they take the trade as is, they get back less than they expected. If they reject the trade, the Celtics get back less than they thought they sent out. Accepting or rejecting the trade isn't going to change the MRI results from Friday. Both sides should be motivated to make an adjustment to the trade to take that into account.

Cavs might not, but that's a hot topic here.
And jbk1234, i really don't know what you're talking about. You seem to think it's weird that Danny didn't ask them to void the physical? Maybe i just don't understand.

i really don't care whether this trade goes through or not, but thought it was an overpay at the time. The package with injured IT is still better then that Bucks package and could be much better if that pick gets really high.

Celtics got the best player in the trade, 2nd best player in the trade is now worth less than thought. The amount less is unknown.

And I don't know why jbk1234 keeps bringing it up either, there's no way the Cavs would have done a trade without being allowed to do their own physical. I can't think of any time that's even happened (aside from possibly a case where the traded player was going to be waived).

Celts17Pride · Post #20 » by **Celts17Pride** » Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:41 pm

JJ_PR wrote:I don't know why there's so much discussion regarding the subject. Simply put, the cavs thought they where getting Isaiah Thomas, Jae Crowder, Ante Zizic and the Brooklyn pick. Instead, they're getting Jae Crowder, Ante Zizic, the Brooklyn pick and a 7m expiring contract. Seems to me like Ainge tried to fleece his way into a star, like he does in all his trades. Bummer.

Ainge added the Brooklyn pick as compensation for IT being hurt. Cavs agreed. Now Cavs are having 2nd thoughts.

Cavs need to put their big boy pants on and either accept or decline the trade as it is presently.