hardenASG13 wrote:bondom34 wrote:retrobro90 wrote:
What I mean is how is Avery overrated on defense if he's already being overlooked?
I understand how adjusted +/- works and I'm not saying it's completely invalid for every player. But I also understand how Boston has performed with their 2nd units during his tenure. When it comes to defense I don't like to put too much trust in RPM or BPM when I can see with my eyes how Avery defends. I know how strong he is despite his size. I know how well he can anticipate and how explosive he can be. I'm not saying that in a vacuum he's the same overall defensive impact Roberson is but he provides a different defensive utility that Roberson does not.
And again we're talking about a true two way player on the wing. 16/6/2 on damn near 40% from 3. He can handle the ball. He can make plays. He can finish plays.
I don't know what contract Bradley is gonna get this next offseason but I thought KCP and Noel were gonna be guaranteed max deals. Even less space to go around next year.
He's not really a 2 way player though. His defense has been like this a long time, and the eye test doesn't work, sorry but you don't watch team defense for players. Dre's off ball defense is miles ahead of AB's and the offensive impact doesn't come close to making up the gap. Bradley's numbers have been poor for years, and he's gotten a rep because he's fiesty on ball but not off ball and playing with Kanter and OKC's awful defensive bench hasn't hurt Robes' numbers.
Bradley isn't a 2 way player, he's just not good. And he's gonna be making 20 mil a year.
This is just funny. What, in your opinion, makes Roberson the better off the ball defender? What does he do specifically that is so much more impactful than Bradley, to the point it makes up for the massive disparity between the two on the offensive end? Is off the ball defense the most important element to basketball in your opinion? Does Andre not being guarded, allowing for other teams to be in constant help (which you seem to think is the most important aspect in the game) not count for anything then? Embarrassing
He can defend more positions, is a better help defender, and can cover more ground. You again show no evidence. That's embarrassing. Your takes are bad and you show no proof. This is tiresome and you're not worth the time, people repeatedly tell you this and you show no substance in any reply ever.
Lets go:
DRAPM
Bradley: -1.64 (-2.23 overall, still a negative offensively)
Robes: 1.65 (1.26 RAPM overall)
Iso defense:'
Bradley 19th percentile
Robes 62nd
PnR ball handler:
AB: 64 percentile
Robes: 88th
Post up:
AB: 29th percentile
Robes: 82nd percentile
Drtg:
Avery Bradley led a team to a 108.6 D rating when IT was NOT playing with him.
http://nbawowy.com/wj58t2fbs4Roberson had a team at 107.1 when Enes Kanter WAS with him.
So really, the onus is on someone to show Bradley is a good defender in some way, when he's worse with IT on the bench than Robes is with Kanter next to him, worse by FAR RAPM wise, played on a better team, and shows up worse in essentially every major metric.