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Player of the Day: Andre Roberson 

Post#1 » by Andre Roberstan » Fri Sep 1, 2017 7:39 pm

My mannnnnnnnnnnn is up today.

As promised, I'm starting a Player of the Day series to tide us over through the long offseason. With weekend skips it should eat at least a little of the time leading up to training camp. Hope you guys enjoy.

SCHEDULE:
Week 1: Starters
Aug 28: Russell Westbrook
Aug 29: Paul George
Aug 30: Steven Adams
Aug 31: Patrick Patterson
Sept 1: Andre Roberson

Week 2: Bench
Sept 4: Enes Kanter
Sept 5: Alejandro Abrines
Sept 6: Raymond Felton
Sept 7: Jerami Grant
Sept 8: Doug McDermott

Week 3: Deep Bench
Sept 11: Terrance Ferguson
Sept 12: Dakari Johnson
Sept 13: Semaj Christon
Sept 14: Josh Huestis
Sept 15: Kyle Singler

Week 4: Odds and Ends
Sept 16: Daniel Hamilton
Sept 17: Billy Donovan
Sept 18: Sam Presti
Sept 19: TBD
Sept 20: TBD

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Questions for the upcoming season:

1: How will he be affected by the better spacing?
2: What do you think he'll add to his game offensively?
3: How much time do you think he'll spend at the 2, the 3 and the 4 respectively?
4: Should they stagger him with the bench to improve their defense?
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Post#2 » by Kizz Fastfists » Fri Sep 1, 2017 11:37 pm

Andre Roberstan wrote:1: How will he be affected by the better spacing?
2: What do you think he'll add to his game offensively?
3: How much time do you think he'll spend at the 2, the 3 and the 4 respectively?
4: Should they stagger him with the bench to improve their defense?


1) He'll have more space around the basket with better passing lanes for his teammates when cutting.

2) He'll shock the world and shoot 70 from the FT line and 35% from 3, both on less than 2 attempts per game.

3) He'll spend most of his time at the 2, 20 MPG, and the rest of it at the 4, 10 MPG. He will not play any 3, assuming PG is healthy. If PG gets hurt he'll be the primary 3 while he is out.

4) No. He wouldn't make enough difference with 3-4 of McDermott, Grant, Kanter, Abines and Felton for it to matter. Keeping him with the starters increases their advantage so the Thunder will have one unit that can win the scoreboard against most teams. If you stagger his minutes you greatly reduce the effectiveness of both the first unit and do not improve the performance of the 2nd unit.
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Post#3 » by ThunderBolt » Sat Sep 2, 2017 12:11 am

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Andre Roberstan wrote:1: How will he be affected by the better spacing?
2: What do you think he'll add to his game offensively?
3: How much time do you think he'll spend at the 2, the 3 and the 4 respectively?
4: Should they stagger him with the bench to improve their defense?


1) He'll have more space around the basket with better passing lanes for his teammates when cutting.

2) He'll shock the world and shoot 70 from the FT line and 35% from 3, both on less than 2 attempts per game.

3) He'll spend most of his time at the 2, 20 MPG, and the rest of it at the 4, 10 MPG. He will not play any 3, assuming PG is healthy. If PG gets hurt he'll be the primary 3 while he is out.

4) No. He wouldn't make enough difference with 3-4 of McDermott, Grant, Kanter, Abines and Felton for it to matter. Keeping him with the starters increases their advantage so the Thunder will have one unit that can win the scoreboard against most teams. If you stagger his minutes you greatly reduce the effectiveness of both the first unit and do not improve the performance of the 2nd unit.

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Post#4 » by retrobro90 » Sat Sep 2, 2017 12:35 am

I hope Roberson can polish his finishing because I wanna see more 1-2 pnr sets where Roberson is the roll man and Adams is setting pin downs for George to spot up. It'd be nice if he added a post move or two for when he catches it low and needs to adjust in traffic. He developed a nice reliable right handed reverse throughout this past season. Would be cool if he worked on his left hand as well or just had a bigger arsenal overall around the basket.
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Post#5 » by ThunderBolt » Sat Sep 2, 2017 2:24 am

I dont think he'll do anything mechanically to improve his shooting. It might go up just due to him feeling less offensive pressure than last year. If we are in contention next year and maybe Golden State has lost a guy for the season, I would be happy to seem him traded for a win now move if we could get a guy like Avery Bradley.
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Post#6 » by retrobro90 » Sat Sep 2, 2017 5:31 am

Knrstz wrote:I dont think he'll do anything mechanically to improve his shooting. It might go up just due to him feeling less offensive pressure than last year. If we are in contention next year and maybe Golden State has lost a guy for the season, I would be happy to seem him traded for a win now move if we could get a guy like Avery Bradley.


If Detroit is out of the hunt at the deadline and they get a sense from Avery that he's not willing to stay there in FA I can see them wanting this type of trade. Might not really have to include much else since AB is an expiring and next year's SG free agents aren't much to look at. That said I'm sure every contending teams will be on the phone with their offers for him.
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Post#7 » by bondom34 » Sat Sep 2, 2017 5:33 am

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Knrstz wrote:I dont think he'll do anything mechanically to improve his shooting. It might go up just due to him feeling less offensive pressure than last year. If we are in contention next year and maybe Golden State has lost a guy for the season, I would be happy to seem him traded for a win now move if we could get a guy like Avery Bradley.


If Detroit is out of the hunt at the deadline and they get a sense from Avery that he's not willing to stay there in FA I can see them wanting this type of trade. Might not really have to include much else since AB is an expiring and next year's SG free agents aren't much to look at. That said I'm sure every contending teams will be on the phone with their offers for him.

I'll be honest, I think Bradley is a worse overall player. He's way way overrated defensively and if they want a guy for offense there are other options. Plus in a year hes going to be expensive.
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Post#8 » by retrobro90 » Sat Sep 2, 2017 7:40 am

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retrobro90 wrote:
Knrstz wrote:I dont think he'll do anything mechanically to improve his shooting. It might go up just due to him feeling less offensive pressure than last year. If we are in contention next year and maybe Golden State has lost a guy for the season, I would be happy to seem him traded for a win now move if we could get a guy like Avery Bradley.


If Detroit is out of the hunt at the deadline and they get a sense from Avery that he's not willing to stay there in FA I can see them wanting this type of trade. Might not really have to include much else since AB is an expiring and next year's SG free agents aren't much to look at. That said I'm sure every contending teams will be on the phone with their offers for him.

I'll be honest, I think Bradley is a worse overall player. He's way way overrated defensively and if they want a guy for offense there are other options. Plus in a year hes going to be expensive.


The guy every player just said got snubbed from the All-Defensive teams is overrated on that end?

I actually think he provides a less redundant defensive skill set than Roberson. IMO Roberson is best suited guarding 2-4 and tends to struggle in 1 on 1 scenarios against quicker PGs. AB is one of the best in the league at locking down the point guard position.

Avery is also a 16ppg scorer, an excellent rebounder for his position, and a 39% 3 point shooter on 5 attempts a game. I'm a huge fan of Roberson and was in favor of keeping him. I went to bat for him multiple times in that silly thread that stuck around forever but there's no question Avery's got the bigger overall impact.
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Post#9 » by bondom34 » Sat Sep 2, 2017 9:35 am

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bondom34 wrote:
retrobro90 wrote:
If Detroit is out of the hunt at the deadline and they get a sense from Avery that he's not willing to stay there in FA I can see them wanting this type of trade. Might not really have to include much else since AB is an expiring and next year's SG free agents aren't much to look at. That said I'm sure every contending teams will be on the phone with their offers for him.

I'll be honest, I think Bradley is a worse overall player. He's way way overrated defensively and if they want a guy for offense there are other options. Plus in a year hes going to be expensive.


The guy every player just said got snubbed from the All-Defensive teams is overrated on that end?

I actually think he provides a less redundant defensive skill set than Roberson. IMO Roberson is best suited guarding 2-4 and tends to struggle in 1 on 1 scenarios against quicker PGs. AB is one of the best in the league at locking down the point guard position.

Avery is also a 16ppg scorer, an excellent rebounder for his position, and a 39% 3 point shooter on 5 attempts a game. I'm a huge fan of Roberson and was in favor of keeping him. I went to bat for him multiple times in that silly thread that stuck around forever but there's no question Avery's got the bigger overall impact.

Players are terrible judges of talent. It's why they're awful GMs too. He doesn't have nearly the defensive impact of Andre and his teams are worse when he's on court defensively, his RAPM/RPM data follows it for years, even pre IT. He's a solid man defender but poor in a team concept, and it shows. Avery doesn't have the overall impact at all, he's a better shooter and offensive player but a far far worse defender.

To add, Roberson wasn't snubbed from All defense, he was one. And he's going to be paid like half of what Bradley will be then. Plus he's just a massively better defender. Hes worse RAPM, RPM and BPM, his only advantage is offense and it doesn't close the gap.
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Post#10 » by ThunderBolt » Sat Sep 2, 2017 11:32 am

Bradleys numbers slipped a little bit this year but the impact of a two way player is much greater than a one way one even if he's not as good of a defender as Andre. I'm not a Roberson hater by any means but our offense would be much better replacing with bradley. I think it would be more than enough to compensate for what he lacks on defense. The bets hope is Andre learns how to hit open jumpers, but...
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Post#11 » by retrobro90 » Sat Sep 2, 2017 11:35 am

bondom34 wrote:
retrobro90 wrote:
bondom34 wrote:I'll be honest, I think Bradley is a worse overall player. He's way way overrated defensively and if they want a guy for offense there are other options. Plus in a year hes going to be expensive.


The guy every player just said got snubbed from the All-Defensive teams is overrated on that end?

I actually think he provides a less redundant defensive skill set than Roberson. IMO Roberson is best suited guarding 2-4 and tends to struggle in 1 on 1 scenarios against quicker PGs. AB is one of the best in the league at locking down the point guard position.

Avery is also a 16ppg scorer, an excellent rebounder for his position, and a 39% 3 point shooter on 5 attempts a game. I'm a huge fan of Roberson and was in favor of keeping him. I went to bat for him multiple times in that silly thread that stuck around forever but there's no question Avery's got the bigger overall impact.

Players are terrible judges of talent. It's why they're awful GMs too. He doesn't have nearly the defensive impact of Andre and his teams are worse when he's on court defensively, his RAPM/RPM data follows it for years, even pre IT. He's a solid man defender but poor in a team concept, and it shows. Avery doesn't have the overall impact at all, he's a better shooter and offensive player but a far far worse defender.

To add, Roberson wasn't snubbed from All defense, he was one. And he's going to be paid like half of what Bradley will be then. Plus he's just a massively better defender. Hes worse RAPM, RPM and BPM, his only advantage is offense and it doesn't close the gap.
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What I mean is how is Avery overrated on defense if he's already being overlooked?

I understand how adjusted +/- works and I'm not saying it's completely invalid for every player. But I also understand how Boston has performed with their 2nd units during his tenure. When it comes to defense I don't like to put too much trust in RPM or BPM when I can see with my eyes how Avery defends. I know how strong he is despite his size. I know how well he can anticipate and how explosive he can be. I'm not saying that in a vacuum he's the same overall defensive impact Roberson is but he provides a different defensive utility that Roberson does not.

And again we're talking about a true two way player on the wing. 16/6/2 on damn near 40% from 3. He can handle the ball. He can make plays. He can finish plays.

I don't know what contract Bradley is gonna get this next offseason but I thought KCP and Noel were gonna be guaranteed max deals. Even less space to go around next year.
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Post#12 » by hardenASG13 » Sat Sep 2, 2017 11:50 am

We've seen him with better spacing. Remember when he used to play with Kevin Durant, serge ibaka, and Westbrook. He still couldn't shoot, he wasn't any better cutting, slashing, or finishing. The opportunities were there, sure, but has no confidence on offense, it's why he can't make foul shots.

He'll play alot alongside Paul George. Whether you want to say 2 or 3 doesn't matter. He will stand in the corner, unguarded, unless he develops a jumper, and will guard the best perimeter scorer most of the time.

I'd love to see him be able to shoot the corner 3. It would truly bring the thunders offense and team to new levels if he could, or was replaced by someone who could. Particularly with the addition of George, itd make them incredible on that end. If he can't hit the three, for the love of god at least be able to dribble into an open midrange shot or get into the lane for what should be an easy pull up for an NBA wing player, or maybe to collapse the defense occasionally so he can average more than 1 apg.

Lastly, he's not better than Avery Bradley, it isn't close. He's arguably better on defense, nothing more, and Bradley is night and day the better offensive and overall player. Can't believe that's even being discussed, honestly, even by a Roberson fan. Would be curious if other supporters are that delusional as well?
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Post#13 » by sleestak33 » Sat Sep 2, 2017 12:09 pm

You have got to be kidding me with this. Easily the worst offensive wing player in the history of the NBA (I've challenged anybody on this message board to name somebody worse and nobody can do it) and his defense has been shown repeatedly to have no impact whatsoever on the better players as they routinely exceed their scoring averages with him guarding them...case in point James Harden who averaged 34/game with Roberson guarding him in the playoffs when it mattered the most. Roberson has absolutely no business starting whatsoever and this team is going nowhere with him staying in that role or playing that many minutes. I would imagine the people supporting Roberson now are the same ones that supported Kendrick Perkins and we all saw what happened to him. Use your brains and don't believe that just because a player is starting and playing a certain role that it's a good idea since the coach "must know what he's doing". Your eyes aren't fooling you when you watch Roberson out there costing the team double digit points offensively game in and game out. No other teams made any offers for him and there's a reason for that...because there's no place for a perimeter player in today's NBA game that has no ability whatsoever to shoot and score or create their own offense.
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Post#14 » by bondom34 » Sat Sep 2, 2017 6:37 pm

retrobro90 wrote:
bondom34 wrote:
retrobro90 wrote:
The guy every player just said got snubbed from the All-Defensive teams is overrated on that end?

I actually think he provides a less redundant defensive skill set than Roberson. IMO Roberson is best suited guarding 2-4 and tends to struggle in 1 on 1 scenarios against quicker PGs. AB is one of the best in the league at locking down the point guard position.

Avery is also a 16ppg scorer, an excellent rebounder for his position, and a 39% 3 point shooter on 5 attempts a game. I'm a huge fan of Roberson and was in favor of keeping him. I went to bat for him multiple times in that silly thread that stuck around forever but there's no question Avery's got the bigger overall impact.

Players are terrible judges of talent. It's why they're awful GMs too. He doesn't have nearly the defensive impact of Andre and his teams are worse when he's on court defensively, his RAPM/RPM data follows it for years, even pre IT. He's a solid man defender but poor in a team concept, and it shows. Avery doesn't have the overall impact at all, he's a better shooter and offensive player but a far far worse defender.

To add, Roberson wasn't snubbed from All defense, he was one. And he's going to be paid like half of what Bradley will be then. Plus he's just a massively better defender. Hes worse RAPM, RPM and BPM, his only advantage is offense and it doesn't close the gap.
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What I mean is how is Avery overrated on defense if he's already being overlooked?

I understand how adjusted +/- works and I'm not saying it's completely invalid for every player. But I also understand how Boston has performed with their 2nd units during his tenure. When it comes to defense I don't like to put too much trust in RPM or BPM when I can see with my eyes how Avery defends. I know how strong he is despite his size. I know how well he can anticipate and how explosive he can be. I'm not saying that in a vacuum he's the same overall defensive impact Roberson is but he provides a different defensive utility that Roberson does not.

And again we're talking about a true two way player on the wing. 16/6/2 on damn near 40% from 3. He can handle the ball. He can make plays. He can finish plays.

I don't know what contract Bradley is gonna get this next offseason but I thought KCP and Noel were gonna be guaranteed max deals. Even less space to go around next year.

He's not really a 2 way player though. His defense has been like this a long time, and the eye test doesn't work, sorry but you don't watch team defense for players. Dre's off ball defense is miles ahead of AB's and the offensive impact doesn't come close to making up the gap. Bradley's numbers have been poor for years, and he's gotten a rep because he's fiesty on ball but not off ball and playing with Kanter and OKC's awful defensive bench hasn't hurt Robes' numbers.

Bradley isn't a 2 way player, he's just not good. And he's gonna be making 20 mil a year.
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Post#15 » by hardenASG13 » Sat Sep 2, 2017 10:05 pm

bondom34 wrote:
retrobro90 wrote:
bondom34 wrote:Players are terrible judges of talent. It's why they're awful GMs too. He doesn't have nearly the defensive impact of Andre and his teams are worse when he's on court defensively, his RAPM/RPM data follows it for years, even pre IT. He's a solid man defender but poor in a team concept, and it shows. Avery doesn't have the overall impact at all, he's a better shooter and offensive player but a far far worse defender.

To add, Roberson wasn't snubbed from All defense, he was one. And he's going to be paid like half of what Bradley will be then. Plus he's just a massively better defender. Hes worse RAPM, RPM and BPM, his only advantage is offense and it doesn't close the gap.
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What I mean is how is Avery overrated on defense if he's already being overlooked?

I understand how adjusted +/- works and I'm not saying it's completely invalid for every player. But I also understand how Boston has performed with their 2nd units during his tenure. When it comes to defense I don't like to put too much trust in RPM or BPM when I can see with my eyes how Avery defends. I know how strong he is despite his size. I know how well he can anticipate and how explosive he can be. I'm not saying that in a vacuum he's the same overall defensive impact Roberson is but he provides a different defensive utility that Roberson does not.

And again we're talking about a true two way player on the wing. 16/6/2 on damn near 40% from 3. He can handle the ball. He can make plays. He can finish plays.

I don't know what contract Bradley is gonna get this next offseason but I thought KCP and Noel were gonna be guaranteed max deals. Even less space to go around next year.

He's not really a 2 way player though. His defense has been like this a long time, and the eye test doesn't work, sorry but you don't watch team defense for players. Dre's off ball defense is miles ahead of AB's and the offensive impact doesn't come close to making up the gap. Bradley's numbers have been poor for years, and he's gotten a rep because he's fiesty on ball but not off ball and playing with Kanter and OKC's awful defensive bench hasn't hurt Robes' numbers.

Bradley isn't a 2 way player, he's just not good. And he's gonna be making 20 mil a year.


This is just funny. What, in your opinion, makes Roberson the better off the ball defender? What does he do specifically that is so much more impactful than Bradley, to the point it makes up for the massive disparity between the two on the offensive end? Is off the ball defense the most important element to basketball in your opinion? Does Andre not being guarded, allowing for other teams to be in constant help (which you seem to think is the most important aspect in the game) not count for anything then? Embarrassing
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Post#16 » by bondom34 » Sat Sep 2, 2017 10:46 pm

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bondom34 wrote:
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What I mean is how is Avery overrated on defense if he's already being overlooked?

I understand how adjusted +/- works and I'm not saying it's completely invalid for every player. But I also understand how Boston has performed with their 2nd units during his tenure. When it comes to defense I don't like to put too much trust in RPM or BPM when I can see with my eyes how Avery defends. I know how strong he is despite his size. I know how well he can anticipate and how explosive he can be. I'm not saying that in a vacuum he's the same overall defensive impact Roberson is but he provides a different defensive utility that Roberson does not.

And again we're talking about a true two way player on the wing. 16/6/2 on damn near 40% from 3. He can handle the ball. He can make plays. He can finish plays.

I don't know what contract Bradley is gonna get this next offseason but I thought KCP and Noel were gonna be guaranteed max deals. Even less space to go around next year.

He's not really a 2 way player though. His defense has been like this a long time, and the eye test doesn't work, sorry but you don't watch team defense for players. Dre's off ball defense is miles ahead of AB's and the offensive impact doesn't come close to making up the gap. Bradley's numbers have been poor for years, and he's gotten a rep because he's fiesty on ball but not off ball and playing with Kanter and OKC's awful defensive bench hasn't hurt Robes' numbers.

Bradley isn't a 2 way player, he's just not good. And he's gonna be making 20 mil a year.


This is just funny. What, in your opinion, makes Roberson the better off the ball defender? What does he do specifically that is so much more impactful than Bradley, to the point it makes up for the massive disparity between the two on the offensive end? Is off the ball defense the most important element to basketball in your opinion? Does Andre not being guarded, allowing for other teams to be in constant help (which you seem to think is the most important aspect in the game) not count for anything then? Embarrassing

He can defend more positions, is a better help defender, and can cover more ground. You again show no evidence. That's embarrassing. Your takes are bad and you show no proof. This is tiresome and you're not worth the time, people repeatedly tell you this and you show no substance in any reply ever.

Lets go:

DRAPM
Bradley: -1.64 (-2.23 overall, still a negative offensively)
Robes: 1.65 (1.26 RAPM overall)

Iso defense:'
Bradley 19th percentile
Robes 62nd

PnR ball handler:
AB: 64 percentile
Robes: 88th

Post up:
AB: 29th percentile
Robes: 82nd percentile


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Avery Bradley led a team to a 108.6 D rating when IT was NOT playing with him.
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Roberson had a team at 107.1 when Enes Kanter WAS with him.


So really, the onus is on someone to show Bradley is a good defender in some way, when he's worse with IT on the bench than Robes is with Kanter next to him, worse by FAR RAPM wise, played on a better team, and shows up worse in essentially every major metric.
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Post#17 » by hardenASG13 » Sat Sep 2, 2017 11:08 pm

bondom34 wrote:
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bondom34 wrote:He's not really a 2 way player though. His defense has been like this a long time, and the eye test doesn't work, sorry but you don't watch team defense for players. Dre's off ball defense is miles ahead of AB's and the offensive impact doesn't come close to making up the gap. Bradley's numbers have been poor for years, and he's gotten a rep because he's fiesty on ball but not off ball and playing with Kanter and OKC's awful defensive bench hasn't hurt Robes' numbers.

Bradley isn't a 2 way player, he's just not good. And he's gonna be making 20 mil a year.


This is just funny. What, in your opinion, makes Roberson the better off the ball defender? What does he do specifically that is so much more impactful than Bradley, to the point it makes up for the massive disparity between the two on the offensive end? Is off the ball defense the most important element to basketball in your opinion? Does Andre not being guarded, allowing for other teams to be in constant help (which you seem to think is the most important aspect in the game) not count for anything then? Embarrassing

He can defend more positions, is a better help defender, and can cover more ground. You again show no evidence. That's embarrassing. Your takes are bad and you show no proof. This is tiresome and you're not worth the time, people repeatedly tell you this and you show no substance in any reply ever.

Lets go:

DRAPM
Bradley: -1.64 (-2.23 overall, still a negative offensively)
Robes: 1.65 (1.26 RAPM overall)

Iso defense:'
Bradley 19th percentile
Robes 62nd

PnR ball handler:
AB: 64 percentile
Robes: 88th

Post up:
AB: 29th percentile
Robes: 82nd percentile


Drtg:

Avery Bradley led a team to a 108.6 D rating when IT was NOT playing with him.
http://nbawowy.com/wj58t2fbs4

Roberson had a team at 107.1 when Enes Kanter WAS with him.


So really, the onus is on someone to show Bradley is a good defender in some way, when he's worse with IT on the bench than Robes is with Kanter next to him, worse by FAR RAPM wise, played on a better team, and shows up worse in essentially every major metric.


Wow so much substance! They need to play cam payne!! Perks presence is valuable, Cleveland got a steal! Robes!
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Re: Player of the Day: Andre Roberson 

Post#18 » by bondom34 » Sat Sep 2, 2017 11:10 pm

hardenASG13 wrote:
bondom34 wrote:
hardenASG13 wrote:
This is just funny. What, in your opinion, makes Roberson the better off the ball defender? What does he do specifically that is so much more impactful than Bradley, to the point it makes up for the massive disparity between the two on the offensive end? Is off the ball defense the most important element to basketball in your opinion? Does Andre not being guarded, allowing for other teams to be in constant help (which you seem to think is the most important aspect in the game) not count for anything then? Embarrassing

He can defend more positions, is a better help defender, and can cover more ground. You again show no evidence. That's embarrassing. Your takes are bad and you show no proof. This is tiresome and you're not worth the time, people repeatedly tell you this and you show no substance in any reply ever.

Lets go:

DRAPM
Bradley: -1.64 (-2.23 overall, still a negative offensively)
Robes: 1.65 (1.26 RAPM overall)

Iso defense:'
Bradley 19th percentile
Robes 62nd

PnR ball handler:
AB: 64 percentile
Robes: 88th

Post up:
AB: 29th percentile
Robes: 82nd percentile


Drtg:

Avery Bradley led a team to a 108.6 D rating when IT was NOT playing with him.
http://nbawowy.com/wj58t2fbs4

Roberson had a team at 107.1 when Enes Kanter WAS with him.


So really, the onus is on someone to show Bradley is a good defender in some way, when he's worse with IT on the bench than Robes is with Kanter next to him, worse by FAR RAPM wise, played on a better team, and shows up worse in essentially every major metric.


Wow so much substance! They need to play cam payne!! Perks presence is valuable, Cleveland got a steal! Robes!

Now THAT'S a great reply. You sir showed me by saying a bunch of things that make no sense. Well done, so much information.
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Re: Player of the Day: Andre Roberson 

Post#19 » by hardenASG13 » Sat Sep 2, 2017 11:27 pm

bondom34 wrote:
hardenASG13 wrote:
bondom34 wrote:He can defend more positions, is a better help defender, and can cover more ground. You again show no evidence. That's embarrassing. Your takes are bad and you show no proof. This is tiresome and you're not worth the time, people repeatedly tell you this and you show no substance in any reply ever.

Lets go:

DRAPM
Bradley: -1.64 (-2.23 overall, still a negative offensively)
Robes: 1.65 (1.26 RAPM overall)

Iso defense:'
Bradley 19th percentile
Robes 62nd

PnR ball handler:
AB: 64 percentile
Robes: 88th

Post up:
AB: 29th percentile
Robes: 82nd percentile


Drtg:

Avery Bradley led a team to a 108.6 D rating when IT was NOT playing with him.
http://nbawowy.com/wj58t2fbs4

Roberson had a team at 107.1 when Enes Kanter WAS with him.


So really, the onus is on someone to show Bradley is a good defender in some way, when he's worse with IT on the bench than Robes is with Kanter next to him, worse by FAR RAPM wise, played on a better team, and shows up worse in essentially every major metric.


Wow so much substance! They need to play cam payne!! Perks presence is valuable, Cleveland got a steal! Robes!

Now THAT'S a great reply. You sir showed me by saying a bunch of things that make no sense. Well done, so much information.


Your just funny. Any other Roberson fans think he's better than Avery Bradley?!
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Re: Player of the Day: Andre Roberson 

Post#20 » by bondom34 » Sat Sep 2, 2017 11:29 pm

Well you showed me. Go for it, a $20 million Avery Bradley. Now that's being locked into mediocrity.
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