Me7o Thread: Hoodie edition

[thebuzzardman]

Care to cite any legitimate source, even a rumor tweet from a reputable NBA insider, to back up the claim that CP3 came here only on the promise of a Melo trade? I mean there's alot of speculation, with varying degrees of baseless-ness, but at least most of them tie back to some report or tweet from at least a fringe NBA source. But that statement just seems like a lie you made up on the spot. And a cursory Google search also seems to indicate you're lying, with no sourcing what so ever to back up that statement. So sources, or lying?

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cp3 is staying. he engineered a trade instead of just signing because he wanted his money which houston no doubt agreed to. if he really wanted melo more than the money he could have just signed with you guys and left pieces that would have made a melo trade easier but he didn't, his priority is the money. you should blame him for this not happening.

Cool, just wanted to make sure that wasn't a real rumor, and was just the rantings of a frustrated liar. Fwiw, I think Melo ends up in Portland after the neither the Rockets or Knicks cave. And I'm fine with that. CP3 came to play with Harden, and he's not going anywhere.

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I guess you saw him his "frustrated liar" and raised him one "snide assh*le"

[dakomish23]

ok let me set the record straight since some of yall are twisting my words and blowing it out of proportion

my apologies for posting those tweets, i shouldn't have posted them here. i will let you guys continue to talk about burt steel for the rest of the year

i did not say frank can't play in any other system. actually think that no triangle is BETTER for frank. i STRONGLY believe that phil picked him because he felt he was the strongest fit in the triangle. phil LOVES his big guards that are strong defenders, and can shoot it lights out from 3. i have never seen phil have a westbrook type point guard (or baron davis, whatever u think DSJ is) in the triangle. so don't come up with that bull that he had kobe and MJ when those cats never ran the point.

am i trying to say frank was a bad pick? not at all. i think he's going to be our best point guard in YEARS. yeah i wanted smith, but that doesn't mean i think frank sucks like other people. frank will be a good player for us. 6'6 guard with a 7 foot wingspan is something to get pretty damn excited about.

im deading this topic, so if you quote me with insults, or try to argue with me, suck yuh mudda. i won't respond to u

NO

If you don't bash every other draft pick:

- you don't care about wining
- you don't understand basketball
- you're not a "real" Knicks fan

Did I miss anything?

folks are acting like DSJ and frank BOTH can't be good
the saltiness towards him is cringe worthy, honestly.

They both WILL be good. Real good. Thank God that Frank won't be limited to and by the triangle so it will be a fair comparison.

And if we selected DSJ, the majority of these dudes getting upset would be praising this kid nonstop.

[letsgorockets]

cp3 is staying. he engineered a trade instead of just signing because he wanted his money which houston no doubt agreed to. if he really wanted melo more than the money he could have just signed with you guys and left pieces that would have made a melo trade easier but he didn't, his priority is the money. you should blame him for this not happening.

Cool, just wanted to make sure that wasn't a real rumor, and was just the rantings of a frustrated liar. Fwiw, I think Melo ends up in Portland after the neither the Rockets or Knicks cave. And I'm fine with that. CP3 came to play with Harden, and he's not going anywhere.

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I guess you saw him his "frustrated liar" and raised him one "snide assh*le"

Perhaps. I'm just a simple ole country boy, so maybe I don't understand the parlance of fancy New Yorkers, but when something is stated as a fact that isn't it's called a lie. And the people who speak or write these things are called liars. Do y'all have another word for these things?

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[blueNorange]

ok let me set the record straight since some of yall are twisting my words and blowing it out of proportion

my apologies for posting those tweets, i shouldn't have posted them here. i will let you guys continue to talk about burt steel for the rest of the year

i did not say frank can't play in any other system. actually think that no triangle is BETTER for frank. i STRONGLY believe that phil picked him because he felt he was the strongest fit in the triangle. phil LOVES his big guards that are strong defenders, and can shoot it lights out from 3. i have never seen phil have a westbrook type point guard (or baron davis, whatever u think DSJ is) in the triangle. so don't come up with that bull that he had kobe and MJ when those cats never ran the point.

am i trying to say frank was a bad pick? not at all. i think he's going to be our best point guard in YEARS. yeah i wanted smith, but that doesn't mean i think frank sucks like other people. frank will be a good player for us. 6'6 guard with a 7 foot wingspan is something to get pretty damn excited about.

im deading this topic, so if you quote me with insults, or try to argue with me, suck yuh mudda. i won't respond to u

what record?

you said frank is a triangle player, and i simply asked you to define what it is.

you can't define it for some reason.

[DOT]

Yeah I don't get it either. It kind of reminds me of all the Justice Winslow arguments. Winslow was the best defender in that draft and we all knew it and teams were drooling over that alone. The same goes for Frank. His defense is off the chain, but unlike Winslow, his handles and shot are also on point. For Frank I believe it'll be more of can he run the offense or do we move him to two. I can see lineups with Jack, Frank, and THJ. For people to say he was chosen for the triangle that's actually a good thing for if you can run the triangle then hell you can run just about any offense.

Winning and smart basketball is not for everyone. As stated, dsjr and monk are about getting theirs. Knicks tried that route with amare, then melo.

Let's not bring in **** like that anymore. I want the knicks to win, not do worse like they have been.

Man this is the worst type of fan lol The last time the Knicks were relevant 1 of your best players was Latrell sprewell. Knock it off

1) Beggars cant be choosers. Ugly ball, smart ball, yall will take any type of wins you can get

2) This league is run by shoot first 'Get mine' point guards. The audacity to say you dont wanrt to win with DSJR. Pft.

The days of cutting and backdooring, and 'playing the right way' your way into wins are long gone broseph

Championships won where the best player on the team was a shoot first "get mine" point guard
2017 - nope
2016 - nope
2015 - yep (could be argued as no seeing how Iggy won FMVP)
2014 - nope
2013 - nope
2012 - nope
2011 - nope
2010 - nope
2009 - nope
2008 - nope
2007 - nope
2006 - nope
2005 - nope
2004 - nope
2003 - nope
2002 - nope
2001 - nope
2000 - nope
1999 - nope
1998 - nope
1997 - nope

For a league "run by" these guys, they don't have the best record, huh?

Even the top teams today, the only one whose best player is a shoot first pg is Boston. Cleveland, GS, San Antonio, and Houston all either have better players than their PG, or don't have a shoot first PG.

[3toheadmelo]

NO

If you don't bash every other draft pick:

- you don't care about wining
- you don't understand basketball
- you're not a "real" Knicks fan

Did I miss anything?

folks are acting like DSJ and frank BOTH can't be good
the saltiness towards him is cringe worthy, honestly.

They both WILL be good. Real good. Thank God that Frank won't be limited to and by the triangle so it will be a fair comparison.

And if we selected DSJ, the majority of these dudes getting upset would be praising this kid nonstop.

facts my man

[blueNorange]

Define system player.

a well coached player?
a guy who executes no matter how much time is on the shot clock?
a player coaches like poppovich only goes for?

[god shammgod]

cp3 is staying. he engineered a trade instead of just signing because he wanted his money which houston no doubt agreed to. if he really wanted melo more than the money he could have just signed with you guys and left pieces that would have made a melo trade easier but he didn't, his priority is the money. you should blame him for this not happening.

You're 100% right. That said, holy **** the irony. Melo got Melo'd.

melo is not really unique. lots of guys prioritize money. cp3 choose money over having a better chance of a championship even at his advanced age. and for all we know, melo is gung ho about houston because they've agreed to reup him at the max for 2 or 3 more years.

[Bobalob]

Winning and smart basketball is not for everyone. As stated, dsjr and monk are about getting theirs. Knicks tried that route with amare, then melo.

Let's not bring in **** like that anymore. I want the knicks to win, not do worse like they have been.

Man this is the worst type of fan lol The last time the Knicks were relevant 1 of your best players was Latrell sprewell. Knock it off

1) Beggars cant be choosers. Ugly ball, smart ball, yall will take any type of wins you can get

2) This league is run by shoot first 'Get mine' point guards. The audacity to say you dont wanrt to win with DSJR. Pft.

The days of cutting and backdooring, and 'playing the right way' your way into wins are long gone broseph

Championships won where the best player on the team was a shoot first "get mine" point guard
2017 - nope
2016 - nope
2015 - yep (could be argued as no seeing how Iggy won FMVP)
2014 - nope
2013 - nope
2012 - nope
2011 - nope
2010 - nope
2009 - nope
2008 - nope
2007 - nope
2006 - nope
2005 - nope
2004 - nope
2003 - nope
2002 - nope
2001 - nope
2000 - nope
1999 - nope
1998 - nope
1997 - nope

For a league "run by" these guys, they don't have the best record, huh?

Even the top teams today, the only one whose best player is a shoot first pg is Boston. Cleveland, GS, San Antonio, and Houston all either have better players than their PG, or don't have a shoot first PG.

Oh no, no no. We're not gonna do that.

I said the league is RUN BY shoot first PG's. Meaning your team is less likely to succeed if you aint got one. Meanign the majoity of teams have one starting. I did not say that player had to be THE best player.

So 2017 GS-get mine PG. If your PG averages 26/27 he is 'getting his'. Dont let the effortlessness of HOW he gets his points distract us from the fact that he is still a shoot first, get mine PG

Cavs Kyrie-get mine.

The MVP Russ- Get mine.

2nd best team in the east last year? Boston. Isiah Thomas? Get mine. 3rd best? Raps. Kyle Lowery? Get mine. Even John Wall, a quasi 'throwback' PG is his team's leading scorer w/ 23 a game. 23 a game would have lead all PGs back in the day. Now its no higher than 5th i'd guess.

ALL THOSE GUYS WIN THEIR CLUB 50+ GAMES. Even Dame Lillard is taking an under-talented squad to .500. Get mine PG.

Edit: Oh yea, JAMES HARDEN! He was actually converted so he could BECOME a get-mine pg!!! And the team flourished Like get outta here lmao

And to bring it all back to the original point, DSJR is far more like those guys above than...Frank Ntilikina.

Oh but enjoy him tho i hear he cuts really well off the ball!

[god shammgod]

Winning and smart basketball is not for everyone. As stated, dsjr and monk are about getting theirs. Knicks tried that route with amare, then melo.

Let's not bring in **** like that anymore. I want the knicks to win, not do worse like they have been.

Man this is the worst type of fan lol The last time the Knicks were relevant 1 of your best players was Latrell sprewell. Knock it off

1) Beggars cant be choosers. Ugly ball, smart ball, yall will take any type of wins you can get

2) This league is run by shoot first 'Get mine' point guards. The audacity to say you dont wanrt to win with DSJR. Pft.

The days of cutting and backdooring, and 'playing the right way' your way into wins are long gone broseph

Championships won where the best player on the team was a shoot first "get mine" point guard
2017 - nope
2016 - nope
2015 - yep (could be argued as no seeing how Iggy won FMVP)
2014 - nope
2013 - nope
2012 - nope
2011 - nope
2010 - nope
2009 - nope
2008 - nope
2007 - nope
2006 - nope
2005 - nope
2004 - nope
2003 - nope
2002 - nope
2001 - nope
2000 - nope
1999 - nope
1998 - nope
1997 - nope

For a league "run by" these guys, they don't have the best record, huh?

Even the top teams today, the only one whose best player is a shoot first pg is Boston. Cleveland, GS, San Antonio, and Houston all either have better players than their PG, or don't have a shoot first PG.

harden was really a point guard last year. curry was a shoot first point leading the team before durant got there and they won with him as that. i think it is a fact that it's becoming more prevalent in the league. not that you need one but in a speed league, it's the hardest position to defend. so it's helpful. we're really moving into a time where there aren't strict adherence to positions. 4s can be outside shooters, 3s can be the main ball handler, points can be score first. roles are more interchangeable. so you don't have to have the shortest guy play that role necessarily but they often do. the pure point is mostly dead. which frank isn't anyway.

[Capn'O]

cp3 is staying. he engineered a trade instead of just signing because he wanted his money which houston no doubt agreed to. if he really wanted melo more than the money he could have just signed with you guys and left pieces that would have made a melo trade easier but he didn't, his priority is the money. you should blame him for this not happening.

You're 100% right. That said, holy **** the irony. Melo got Melo'd.

melo is not really unique. lots of guys prioritize money. cp3 choose money over having a better chance of a championship even at his advanced age. and for all we know, melo is gung ho about houston because they've agreed to reup him at the max for 2 or 3 more years.

Not unique at all. Still funny how it's coming back to bite him a bit.

In all likelihood he bucks up and has a decent season for the Knicks. We damn sure paid him enough.

[god shammgod]

what we're really saying when we compare frank to guys like ds jr, westbrook, etc is that we don't think he's gonna be able to drive and score easily. because he can shoot. and you want someone on the team to do it to get those easy points at the line and make the defense collapse. maybe timmy will have that role. or maybe he'll develop in that way.

[Sark]

If it's the hardest position to defend, wouldn't it make sense to take the guy that can best defend the position?

[HarthorneWingo]

Care to cite any legitimate source, even a rumor tweet from a reputable NBA insider, to back up the claim that CP3 came here only on the promise of a Melo trade? I mean there's alot of speculation, with varying degrees of baseless-ness, but at least most of them tie back to some report or tweet from at least a fringe NBA source. But that statement just seems like a lie you made up on the spot. And a cursory Google search also seems to indicate you're lying, with no sourcing what so ever to back up that statement. So sources, or lying?

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I thought for a second your username read "letsgosprockets."

Und now vee dance

A hilarious sketch to be sure, but can you vouch for this statement? Any Knicks fans who can? I come here to lurk because you guys probably know where the Knicks org's head is at with this whole thing. Then I get a bombshell dropped in my lap that Chris Paul is leaving if we don't get Melo. That's something as a Rocket fan, and frequent visitor of Houston insider forums and tweeters, I'd think I'd have seen. I come here expecting the boiler plate "Fuq Houston, Fuq Morey, Fuq Anderson's contract, etc.", because this is a Knicks forum after all. But this poster is claiming, declaratively without speculation, something I've never heard or seen anywhere. So again I ask, any sources anywhere, or is this guy flat lying out of frustration because this situation is likely headed for an outcome he doesn't like?

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No, I can't vouch for that kind of stuff. That involves all this girly stuff that NBA players and some of their fans get into. I'm old school, as they say. Some here will say I'm "very, very old school."

Und now vee dance?

[god shammgod]

If it's the hardest position to defend, wouldn't it make sense to take the guy that can best defend the position?

it mostly makes sense to take the best player. who that is i don't know.

but in general, no. great offense trumps great defense. not that ds jr is gonna be great. or frank for that matter.

[DOT]

Man this is the worst type of fan lol The last time the Knicks were relevant 1 of your best players was Latrell sprewell. Knock it off

1) Beggars cant be choosers. Ugly ball, smart ball, yall will take any type of wins you can get

2) This league is run by shoot first 'Get mine' point guards. The audacity to say you dont wanrt to win with DSJR. Pft.

The days of cutting and backdooring, and 'playing the right way' your way into wins are long gone broseph

Championships won where the best player on the team was a shoot first "get mine" point guard
2017 - nope
2016 - nope
2015 - yep (could be argued as no seeing how Iggy won FMVP)
2014 - nope
2013 - nope
2012 - nope
2011 - nope
2010 - nope
2009 - nope
2008 - nope
2007 - nope
2006 - nope
2005 - nope
2004 - nope
2003 - nope
2002 - nope
2001 - nope
2000 - nope
1999 - nope
1998 - nope
1997 - nope

For a league "run by" these guys, they don't have the best record, huh?

Even the top teams today, the only one whose best player is a shoot first pg is Boston. Cleveland, GS, San Antonio, and Houston all either have better players than their PG, or don't have a shoot first PG.

Oh no, no no. We're not gonna do that.

I said the league is RUN BY shoot first PG's. Meaning your team is less likely to succeed if you aint got one. Meanign the majoity of teams have one starting. I did not say that player had to be THE best player.

So 2017 GS-get mine PG. If your PG averages 26/27 he is 'getting his'. Dont let the effortlessness of HOW he gets his points distract us from the fact that he is still a shoot first, get mine PG

Cavs Kyrie-get mine.

The MVP Russ- Get mine.

2nd best team in the east last year? Boston. Isiah Thomas? Get mine. 3rd best? Raps. Kyle Lowery? Get mine. Even John Wall, a quasi 'throwback' PG is his team's leading scorer w/ 23 a game. 23 a game would have lead all PGs back in the day. Now its no higher than 5th i'd guess.

ALL THOSE GUYS WIN THEIR CLUB 50+ GAMES. Even Dame Lillard is taking an under-talented squad to .500. Get mine PG.

So yea lets not play like we dont see whats goin on. And to bring it all back to the original point, DSJR is far more like those guys above than...Frank Ntilikina.

Oh but enjoy him tho i hear he cuts really well off the ball!

Come on, man, at least learn how to spell their names right

Last year's playoffs
GSW - shoot first pg, 1st seed, championship
SAS - not shoot first, 2nd seed, conf. finals loss
HOU - not shoot first pg, 3rd seed, 2nd round loss
LAC - not shoot first pg, 4th seed, 1st round loss
UTA - not shot first pg, 5th seed, 2nd round loss
OKC - shoot first pg, 6th seed, first round loss
MEM - not shoot first pg, 7th seed, first round loss
POR - shoot first pg, 8th seed, first round loss

So that's 3/8 get mine PGs, with only one even making it out of the first round (and only 1 of the top 5 teams had a shoot first)

BOS - shoot first, 1 seed, conf. finals loss
CLE - shoot first, 2 seed, finals loss
TOR - shoot first, 3 seed, 2nd round loss
WAS - shoot first*, 4 seed, 2nd round loss
ATL - not shoot first, 5 seed, 1st round loss
MIL - not shoot first, 6 seed, 1st round loss
IND - not shoot first, 7 seed, 1st round loss
CHI - not shoot first, 8 seed, 1st round loss

3.5/8, all making it out of the first round

In all, only 7 teams had shoot first PGs (Washington is arguable, making it 6 to me). For a league "run by" shoot first PGs, that's pretty bad
And 7 of the 15 non playoff teams had shoot first PGs. So your claim of teams having a shoot first PG are more likely to succeed than teams that don't is just not true

Talent, teamwork, and defense win championships. Doesn't matter which position you get scoring from.

[letsgorockets]

I thought for a second your username read "letsgosprockets."

Und now vee dance

A hilarious sketch to be sure, but can you vouch for this statement? Any Knicks fans who can? I come here to lurk because you guys probably know where the Knicks org's head is at with this whole thing. Then I get a bombshell dropped in my lap that Chris Paul is leaving if we don't get Melo. That's something as a Rocket fan, and frequent visitor of Houston insider forums and tweeters, I'd think I'd have seen. I come here expecting the boiler plate "Fuq Houston, Fuq Morey, Fuq Anderson's contract, etc.", because this is a Knicks forum after all. But this poster is claiming, declaratively without speculation, something I've never heard or seen anywhere. So again I ask, any sources anywhere, or is this guy flat lying out of frustration because this situation is likely headed for an outcome he doesn't like?

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No, I can't vouch for that kind of stuff. That involves all this girly stuff that NBA players and some of their fans get into. I'm old school, as they say. Some here will say I'm "very, very old school."

Und now vee dance?

Sure, und now vee dance!

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[Capn'O]

what we're really saying when we compare frank to guys like ds jr, westbrook, etc is that we don't think he's gonna be able to drive and score easily. because he can shoot. and you want someone on the team to do it to get those easy points at the line and make the defense collapse. maybe timmy will have that role. or maybe he'll develop in that way.

You're right in the present moment. He's not a guy that can regularly break down an NBA defense. DSJ will from the jump.

Why I ultimately became a FrankFROOTER is that I do think it's something he can develop. Over the course of the year I've seen marked improvement in his size, first step, and handle, which are currently his limiting factors. Unlike KP, his frame can handle a much different body than he has. In the open floor he's REALLY fast. To me, it's far more likely that he's going to develop the ability to get into the lane well enough to be a force than it is for DSJ in particular to learn how to play off the ball and become an elite defender. Those latter qualities, Frank possesses.

[GONYK]

NO

If you don't bash every other draft pick:

- you don't care about wining
- you don't understand basketball
- you're not a "real" Knicks fan

Did I miss anything?

folks are acting like DSJ and frank BOTH can't be good
the saltiness towards him is cringe worthy, honestly.

They both WILL be good. Real good. Thank God that Frank won't be limited to and by the triangle so it will be a fair comparison.

And if we selected DSJ, the majority of these dudes getting upset would be praising this kid nonstop.

Knick fans would be praising a Knick?

That makes sense.

[thebuzzardman]

Cool, just wanted to make sure that wasn't a real rumor, and was just the rantings of a frustrated liar. Fwiw, I think Melo ends up in Portland after the neither the Rockets or Knicks cave. And I'm fine with that. CP3 came to play with Harden, and he's not going anywhere.

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I guess you saw him his "frustrated liar" and raised him one "snide assh*le"

Perhaps. I'm just a simple ole country boy, so maybe I don't understand the parlance of fancy New Yorkers, but when something is stated as a fact that isn't it's called a lie. And the people who speak or write these things are called liars. Do y'all have another word for these things?

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