The Legend of Joel Embiid

[HotelVitale]

I refuse to believe that even you think this is a realistic possibility.

Maybe in a couple of years, but he could make the all star team this year or defensive player of the year, which may increase his max.

He'd need to make all-NBA to get the higher max, which is harder than making an all-star game in the weak star-less east.

[Eyeamok]

I refuse to believe that even you think this is a realistic possibility.

Maybe in a couple of years, but he could make the all star team this year or defensive player of the year, which may increase his max.

There is no way Embiid is getting the max. 30 games in 3 years and yet to be cleared for 5-5. At this point in time Slim Jah has more value.


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Kirk it's not to late to edit this post. Oh man !

[Ericb5]

Embiid is worth every penny that he could earn on the court. Whatever the max is, he is worth it if he is healthy.


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[Mik317]

Embiid is worth every penny that he could earn on the court. Whatever the max is, he is worth it if he is healthy.


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but thats the problem. Availability is a skill at this point. You cannot pay a guy 20-25 mil a season for maybe 30 games...if that. I love Embiid, I think his talent is all world and all that but it not as easy of a choice as people are making it out to be. Not saying let him walk persay but...i don't think leaving it to chance is too wise either.

[spikeslovechild]

I refuse to believe that even you think this is a realistic possibility.

Maybe in a couple of years, but he could make the all star team this year or defensive player of the year, which may increase his max.

He'd need to make all-NBA to get the higher max, which is harder than making an all-star game in the weak star-less east.

If he plays the entire season and makes the All NBA then I'm fine with him getting the higher max but that difference is not worth risking a max on the possibility he still is damaged goods. Now if he wants to sit down and do a give and take deal based on his health fine it's a conversation worth having but otherwise we should wait.

[Unbreakable99]

I refuse to believe that even you think this is a realistic possibility.

Maybe in a couple of years, but he could make the all star team this year or defensive player of the year, which may increase his max.

There is no way Embiid is getting the max. 30 games in 3 years and yet to be cleared for 5-5. At this point in time Slim Jah has more value.


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If a team offers Embiid the max and you're the GM do you not match and let him go? I don't think you would do that.

[Unbreakable99]

Embiid is worth every penny that he could earn on the court. Whatever the max is, he is worth it if he is healthy.


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but thats the problem. Availability is a skill at this point. You cannot pay a guy 20-25 mil a season for maybe 30 games...if that. I love Embiid, I think his talent is all world and all that but it not as easy of a choice as people are making it out to be. Not saying let him walk persay but...i don't think leaving it to chance is too wise either.

It's very easy for me. Am I willing to match any offer? Yes. Then that means I'm willing to pay him the max. Short of Embiid breaking his navicular bone or another major injury I'm offering up to a max. This is the easiest decision of my life. I'm not willing to part with Embiid. If he has another minor injury like a torn miniscus and he only plays 30 games and another team offers him the max do you think I'm going to let Embiid leave? Hell no. I'm matching ANYTHING. And when I say ANYTHING I mean A.N.Y.T.H.I.N.G.

I'm going down with Embiid. If Embiid goes down then I go down. This is me should Embiid gets hurt again and me still offering the max.

[Simmons25]

Maybe in a couple of years, but he could make the all star team this year or defensive player of the year, which may increase his max.

There is no way Embiid is getting the max. 30 games in 3 years and yet to be cleared for 5-5. At this point in time Slim Jah has more value.


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If a team offers Embiid the max and you're the GM do you not match and let him go? I don't think you would do that.

Ask yourself this. If you were offered $25 mill a year by the 76ers and were offered $30 mill by Brooklyn or Washington or Memphis... would YOU take the $30 mill and leave the team that stuck by you through all the injuries and that you are yet to pay back yet in games played? and for a team you love that has a big future? Is it really worth the extra $5 mill a year?

I wouldn't if I truly loved where I was. It's not like they are going to offer Joel $8 mill a year and its going to be a massive difference in amount.

On top of that if Joel stays for less now... he will be eligible for a Super Max contract by the time his next contract rolls around... about $70 mill more with Philly than he could get anywhere else.

So yeah... I wouldn't be offering him a Max deal even if others did... and if Embiid took it now over a few million dollars now... he is an idiot.

[Unbreakable99]

There is no way Embiid is getting the max. 30 games in 3 years and yet to be cleared for 5-5. At this point in time Slim Jah has more value.


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If a team offers Embiid the max and you're the GM do you not match and let him go? I don't think you would do that.

Ask yourself this. If you were offered $25 mill a year by the 76ers and were offered $30 mill by Brooklyn or Washington or Memphis... would YOU take the $30 mill and leave the team that stuck by you through all the injuries and that you are yet to pay back yet in games played? and for a team you love that has a big future? Is it really worth the extra $5 mill a year?

I wouldn't if I truly loved where I was. It's not like they are going to offer Joel $8 mill a year and its going to be a massive difference in amount.

On top of that if Joel stays for less now... he will be eligible for a Super Max contract by the time his next contract rolls around... about $70 mill more with Philly than he could get anywhere else.

So yeah... I wouldn't be offering him a Max deal even if others did... and if Embiid took it now over a few million dollars now... he is an idiot.

Embiid would not be an idiot if he left for more money. He'd be an idiot if he left money on the table. If I were in Embiid's shoes and I got offered 5 million more dollars by another team then bye Sixers. I'm out. I'm going for the most money, especially since I have a fragile body and don't know when I may break down again. Right now could be the best chance for me getting as much money as this if I never stay healthy. So yeah I would leave with the quickness over 5 million dollars with my broken down body lol.

[Simmons25]

If a team offers Embiid the max and you're the GM do you not match and let him go? I don't think you would do that.

Ask yourself this. If you were offered $25 mill a year by the 76ers and were offered $30 mill by Brooklyn or Washington or Memphis... would YOU take the $30 mill and leave the team that stuck by you through all the injuries and that you are yet to pay back yet in games played? and for a team you love that has a big future? Is it really worth the extra $5 mill a year?

I wouldn't if I truly loved where I was. It's not like they are going to offer Joel $8 mill a year and its going to be a massive difference in amount.

On top of that if Joel stays for less now... he will be eligible for a Super Max contract by the time his next contract rolls around... about $70 mill more with Philly than he could get anywhere else.

So yeah... I wouldn't be offering him a Max deal even if others did... and if Embiid took it now over a few million dollars now... he is an idiot.

Embiid would not be an idiot if he left for more money. He'd be an idiot if he left money on the table. If I were in Embiid's shoes and I got offered 5 million more dollars by another team then bye Sixers. I'm out. I'm going for the most money, especially since I have a fragile body and don't know when I may break down again. Right now could be the best chance for me getting as much money as this if I never stay healthy. So yeah I would leave with the quickness over 5 million dollars with my broken down body lol.

Players leave money on the table all the time. The entire Warriors squad was built on guys signing for less money than they could have gotten elsewhere... and this was before they won a championship.

People are just panicking for no reason and willing to overpay guys when we have the upper hand. The fact Joel has a body that keeps breaking down is all the more reason for him to get a 3 year $75 mill deal done now.. rather than refuse to sign and hold out for $90 mill at the end of the year with a risk his body could break down again and he gets $0

If he is willing to risk $75 million dollars to make $15 million... then yeah Joel is an idiot.

[Sixerscan]

Ask yourself this. If you were offered $25 mill a year by the 76ers and were offered $30 mill by Brooklyn or Washington or Memphis... would YOU take the $30 mill and leave the team that stuck by you through all the injuries and that you are yet to pay back yet in games played? and for a team you love that has a big future? Is it really worth the extra $5 mill a year?

I wouldn't if I truly loved where I was. It's not like they are going to offer Joel $8 mill a year and its going to be a massive difference in amount.

On top of that if Joel stays for less now... he will be eligible for a Super Max contract by the time his next contract rolls around... about $70 mill more with Philly than he could get anywhere else.

So yeah... I wouldn't be offering him a Max deal even if others did... and if Embiid took it now over a few million dollars now... he is an idiot.

Embiid would not be an idiot if he left for more money. He'd be an idiot if he left money on the table. If I were in Embiid's shoes and I got offered 5 million more dollars by another team then bye Sixers. I'm out. I'm going for the most money, especially since I have a fragile body and don't know when I may break down again. Right now could be the best chance for me getting as much money as this if I never stay healthy. So yeah I would leave with the quickness over 5 million dollars with my broken down body lol.

Players leave money on the table all the time. The entire Warriors squad was built on guys signing for less money than they could have gotten elsewhere... and this was before they won a championship.

People are just panicking for no reason and willing to overpay guys when we have the upper hand. The fact Joel has a body that keeps breaking down is all the more reason for him to get a 3 year $75 mill deal done now.. rather than refuse to sign and hold out for $90 mill at the end of the year with a risk his body could break down again and he gets $0

If he is willing to risk $75 million dollars to make $15 million... then yeah Joel is an idiot.

Huh?

Curry never made it to free agency, and Klay and Draymond were on rookie deals when they won (then all signed max contracts)

Iguodala I guess could have gotten more money from the Kings.

[phiphan]

Ask yourself this. If you were offered $25 mill a year by the 76ers and were offered $30 mill by Brooklyn or Washington or Memphis... would YOU take the $30 mill and leave the team that stuck by you through all the injuries and that you are yet to pay back yet in games played? and for a team you love that has a big future? Is it really worth the extra $5 mill a year?

I wouldn't if I truly loved where I was. It's not like they are going to offer Joel $8 mill a year and its going to be a massive difference in amount.

On top of that if Joel stays for less now... he will be eligible for a Super Max contract by the time his next contract rolls around... about $70 mill more with Philly than he could get anywhere else.

So yeah... I wouldn't be offering him a Max deal even if others did... and if Embiid took it now over a few million dollars now... he is an idiot.

Embiid would not be an idiot if he left for more money. He'd be an idiot if he left money on the table. If I were in Embiid's shoes and I got offered 5 million more dollars by another team then bye Sixers. I'm out. I'm going for the most money, especially since I have a fragile body and don't know when I may break down again. Right now could be the best chance for me getting as much money as this if I never stay healthy. So yeah I would leave with the quickness over 5 million dollars with my broken down body lol.

Players leave money on the table all the time. The entire Warriors squad was built on guys signing for less money than they could have gotten elsewhere... and this was before they won a championship.

Not one player in the history of the NBA has sacrificed money on the table when coming off his rookie contract.

[Sixerscan]

Excuse me, the Warriors gave Klay a max extension in 2014 before he got to free agency.

[Unbreakable99]

Ask yourself this. If you were offered $25 mill a year by the 76ers and were offered $30 mill by Brooklyn or Washington or Memphis... would YOU take the $30 mill and leave the team that stuck by you through all the injuries and that you are yet to pay back yet in games played? and for a team you love that has a big future? Is it really worth the extra $5 mill a year?

I wouldn't if I truly loved where I was. It's not like they are going to offer Joel $8 mill a year and its going to be a massive difference in amount.

On top of that if Joel stays for less now... he will be eligible for a Super Max contract by the time his next contract rolls around... about $70 mill more with Philly than he could get anywhere else.

So yeah... I wouldn't be offering him a Max deal even if others did... and if Embiid took it now over a few million dollars now... he is an idiot.

Embiid would not be an idiot if he left for more money. He'd be an idiot if he left money on the table. If I were in Embiid's shoes and I got offered 5 million more dollars by another team then bye Sixers. I'm out. I'm going for the most money, especially since I have a fragile body and don't know when I may break down again. Right now could be the best chance for me getting as much money as this if I never stay healthy. So yeah I would leave with the quickness over 5 million dollars with my broken down body lol.

Players leave money on the table all the time. The entire Warriors squad was built on guys signing for less money than they could have gotten elsewhere... and this was before they won a championship.

People are just panicking for no reason and willing to overpay guys when we have the upper hand. The fact Joel has a body that keeps breaking down is all the more reason for him to get a 3 year $75 mill deal done now.. rather than refuse to sign and hold out for $90 mill at the end of the year with a risk his body could break down again and he gets $0

If he is willing to risk $75 million dollars to make $15 million... then yeah Joel is an idiot.

I agree with you that the Sixers should try to sign him to a non max deal. That’s what I would do. But what if Embiid balks and says no and he will wait until the season ends? Then what? What if afternoon the season a team offers him the max? Then what? Would you not match and let him walk? I wouldn’t. I’d match the max.

[76ciology]

As of now, its safe to not include Biid in our future plans. Accept that reality and you'll live a peaceful life

[76ciology]

Push comes to shove, I'd sign Biid the max. Built a team or program around him. By team, favor a win-now outlook. By program, favor a deep C position roster which we are now doing IMO.

It's not like it's easy to sign a star player with capspace. Look at Boston, all the picks and assets and they just ended up with Hayward and Irving.

It's way more likely Biid plays like 7-8 great seasons of 50 to 60 games than a high level star decides to sign with us for 7-8 seasons. And it's not like these high level stars are immune to any injuries.

That said, I'd probably be finding a way to generate another star just in case Biid's health deteriorates. Maybe use the Sac or LAL pick.

Its life. It cant be perfect like 2K but we need to adjust to maximize. Maybe accept Pasecniks or Holmes as C for 20-30 games then have Biid at C for 50-60 games every season for the next 7-8 years.

If Biid is stubborn and asks a max or nothing, then find a cheap C every season. If Biid is cooperative and takes a discount, maybe we can sign a constant C with an average contract.

[Sixerscan]

As of now, its safe to not include Biid in our future plans. Accept that reality and you'll live a peaceful life

Push comes to shove, I'd sign Biid the max. Built a team or program around him.

Huh.

[Baller1234a]

Push comes to shove, I'd sign Biid the max. Built a team or program around him. By team, favor a win-now outlook. By program, favor a deep C position roster which we are now doing IMO.

It's not like it's easy to sign a star player with capspace. Look at Boston, all the picks and assets and they just ended up with Hayward and Irving.

It's way more likely Biid plays like 7-8 great seasons of 50 to 60 games than a high level star decides to sign with us for 7-8 seasons. And it's not like these high level stars are immune to any injuries.

That said, I'd probably be finding a way to generate another star just in case Biid's health deteriorates. Maybe use the Sac or LAL pick.

Its life. It cant be perfect like 2K but we need to adjust to maximize. Maybe accept Pasecniks or Holmes as C for 20-30 games then have Biid at C for 50-60 games every season for the next 7-8 years.

If Biid is stubborn and asks a max or nothing, then find a cheap C every season. If Biid is cooperative and takes a discount, maybe we can sign a constant C with an average contract.

Only Hayward and Kyrie ? That's a lot imo not even taking account Brown Tatum and LAL pick

[76ciology]

Push comes to shove, I'd sign Biid the max. Built a team or program around him. By team, favor a win-now outlook. By program, favor a deep C position roster which we are now doing IMO.

It's not like it's easy to sign a star player with capspace. Look at Boston, all the picks and assets and they just ended up with Hayward and Irving.

It's way more likely Biid plays like 7-8 great seasons of 50 to 60 games than a high level star decides to sign with us for 7-8 seasons. And it's not like these high level stars are immune to any injuries.

That said, I'd probably be finding a way to generate another star just in case Biid's health deteriorates. Maybe use the Sac or LAL pick.

Its life. It cant be perfect like 2K but we need to adjust to maximize. Maybe accept Pasecniks or Holmes as C for 20-30 games then have Biid at C for 50-60 games every season for the next 7-8 years.

If Biid is stubborn and asks a max or nothing, then find a cheap C every season. If Biid is cooperative and takes a discount, maybe we can sign a constant C with an average contract.

Only Hayward and Kyrie ? That's a lot imo not even taking account Brown Tatum and LAL pick

Yup. But factor in IT, Crowder and the Nets pick to leverage their capspace. Brown is useless while Tatum is a question mark similar with Fultz.

All the cap space and 3 top 3 value picks with no superstar?

Went for KD, Butler and Paul George. Ended up with Hayward.

Nets picks prior to being materialized was projected as an asset to land a top tier star. Most of it's value are used for Jaylen and to upgrade Isaiah Thomas for Kyrie, which isn't that big of an upgrade if you look at the numbers

[76ciology]

As of now, its safe to not include Biid in our future plans. Accept that reality and you'll live a peaceful life

Push comes to shove, I'd sign Biid the max. Built a team or program around him.

Huh.

I mean, we have to imagine a very likely future without Embiid. To the point that it wont be like riding a roller coaster when ever he had awkward landings because you are prepared for a life withour Embiid. Stoicism?

And with a mindset that he's likely a damaged goods, what we can control is to live with his limitations by building a certain roster (C heavy) and program (letting him take off for 20-30 games each season).