Lonzo Watch- 29 points 9 assists 11 rebounds

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Post#81 » by XXBKXX » Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:22 am

prime1time wrote:At the very least they could have tried out the Lonzo D-Lo backcourt. They didn't even give it a chance.

If the goal was to give the keys of the franchise to Zo then they had to get Dlo out of there. Dlo is a unique combination of immaturity and entitlement. He was cocky to the point where he thought he was already a star even though his play didn't bare that out. It's been a knock on him since high school. Additionally, he would do childish things in the locker room. Dlo wouldnt have let Lonzo lead the team nor would he have been mature enough to follow and be led by his new pg.

With that said, it would have been terrible on the court. Dlo is an inconsistent unathletic volume scorer. Sure he will drop 30 one game but he would then follow it up with three 9 pt games. The Majority of his shots comes from either wide open threes or pick and roll mid range shots. Without pick n rolls he can't create any space for himself. He also plays the game one notch slower than everyone else which is completely opposite of the pace Lonzo wants to play at. On top of that, defensively they would be a nightmare back court. Dlo doesn't have the foot speed to pick up small pgs nor does he have the athleticism to contest standard 2s. Trading Dlo to usher in the Zo era was a required move.

On the nets Dlo has a chance to shoot 30 attempts per game without the attention/pressure that comes with the lakers. Especially with Lin going down, Dlo will now have the green light like he's never had before but he will forever be an "empty stats" player. He will have nights where he will drop 30 but I guarantee you it won't end in a win. His style of play doesn't positively impact teams the same way Zo does. Dlo is like the pg equivalent to Melo or ZBo (20 n 10) but much more inconsistent.
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Re: Lonzo Watch- 25 points 8 assists 10 rebounds 

Post#82 » by Rotten Apple » Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:23 am

Blame his dad for that good game since they blamed him for the bad one.
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Re: Lonzo Watch- 25 points 8 assists 10 rebounds 

Post#83 » by AdagioPace » Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:23 am

Going from beverley to the suns....Lets say lonzo already tasted the extremes. the real lonzo will be somewhere in between unless they throw vs him the best defenders. In that scenario....good luck
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Re: Lonzo Watch- 25 points 8 assists 10 rebounds 

Post#84 » by Wonderllama » Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:24 am

So... it's EXACTLY like Summer League went? Lonzo struggles in his first game and people can't wait to call him a bust. But then he shines in the next game. "It's just summer league." "It's just Phoenix."
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Re: Lonzo Watch- 25 points 8 assists 10 rebounds 

Post#85 » by Lalouie » Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:25 am

prime1time wrote:
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prime1time wrote:The haters can hate all they want. If Lonzo works on his game, he has a chance to be very special. He should add bulk up and add some muscle so he can finish through contact. Tighten up his ball-handling, improve his basketball iq and improve his jump shot. He will be in a very good player. After watching him, I think that he and D-Lo could have played together. Lonzo isn't ball dominant.

Eh, Lonzo from UCLA could've played with DLo. But they got him running the pick n roll here which was DLo's bread and butter.

What kind of guard fits with Lonzo then? I haven't watched a lot of his games but D-Lo projects as a great #2 guard.


Don't think guard, think team. Zo is an egalitarian distributer. Not a traditional pg like cp3, or a scoring pg like Tony Parker, but a pg built for the transition game. I think this is a new position that Zo just invented. At UCLA, it wasn't the half court where he excelled, it was in transition and often,,, the hockey assist.
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Re: Lonzo Watch- 25 points 8 assists 10 rebounds 

Post#86 » by bwgood77 » Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:29 am

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prime1time wrote:At the very least they could have tried out the Lonzo D-Lo backcourt. They didn't even give it a chance.


I'd rather have Lonzo/Kuzma/Lopez than Lonzo/Dlo/Mozgov.

That latter trio, Lonzo and Dlo have overlapping skills and Mozgov is hot trash.


Sure, right now, but I'd take DLo for the long run. Lopez might not be a Laker after this year anyway. Even if he was, I'd still rather have kept DLo and rode out Mozgov.

But of course I am ignoring the real reason the trade was made...for the free agent haul they hope to get. But I still would have hated trading away DLo if I was a Lakers fan.
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Post#87 » by Coxy » Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:30 am

I'm am SOOOOOO glad that Lonzo and Lavar landed on the Lakers. They are just a match made in heaven and the dislike of the franchise will spread like wildfire quickly once again, especially if they start winning and Lavar keeps running his arrogant mouth off constantly.
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Post#88 » by RingsDontLie » Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:42 am

I remember when I started a thread saying Lonzo will have a rookie Lebron level impact. People didn't think it would happen.

Coxy wrote:I'm am SOOOOOO glad that Lonzo and Lavar landed on the Lakers. They are just a match made in heaven and the dislike of the franchise will spread like wildfire quickly once again, especially if they start winning and Lavar keeps running his arrogant mouth off constantly.


It will be fun to see Lonzo and Ingram eclipse Durant and Curry down the line.
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Post#89 » by JoeSchmo24 » Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:46 am

People calling out the haters for calling Lonzo a bust after one game yet after this game all we are going to here is the exact opposite about how he is an all-time great. The irony is palpable.

And yes I realize not everyone is claiming he is, but not everyone claimed he was a bust either.
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Post#90 » by Oscirus » Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:47 am

Very good game by Lonzo. Easily a future all star. That being said, some of that defense against him was just wow.
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Post#91 » by Coxy » Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:48 am

RingsDontLie wrote:I remember when I started a thread saying Lonzo will have a rookie Lebron level impact. People didn't think it would happen.

Coxy wrote:I'm am SOOOOOO glad that Lonzo and Lavar landed on the Lakers. They are just a match made in heaven and the dislike of the franchise will spread like wildfire quickly once again, especially if they start winning and Lavar keeps running his arrogant mouth off constantly.


It will be fun to see Lonzo and Ingram eclipse Durant and Curry down the line.


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Post#92 » by Dupp » Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:53 am

It's unfortunate to see him do well
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Post#93 » by Dr Aki » Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:53 am

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Re: RE: Re: Lonzo Watch- 25 points 8 assists 10 rebounds 

Post#94 » by prime1time » Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:54 am

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prime1time wrote:At the very least they could have tried out the Lonzo D-Lo backcourt. They didn't even give it a chance.

If the goal was to give the keys of the franchise to Zo then they had to get Dlo out of there. Dlo is a unique combination of immaturity and entitlement. He was cocky to the point where he thought he was already a star even though his play didn't bare that out. It's been a knock on him since high school. Additionally, he would do childish things in the locker room. Dlo wouldnt have let Lonzo lead the team nor would he have been mature enough to follow and be led by his new pg.

With that said, it would have been terrible on the court. Dlo is an inconsistent unathletic volume scorer. Sure he will drop 30 one game but he would then follow it up with three 9 pt games. The Majority of his shots comes from either wide open threes or pick and roll mid range shots. Without pick n rolls he can't create any space for himself. He also plays the game one notch slower than everyone else which is completely opposite of the pace Lonzo wants to play at. On top of that, defensively they would be a nightmare back court. Dlo doesn't have the foot speed to pick up small pgs nor does he have the athleticism to contest standard 2s. Trading Dlo to usher in the Zo era was a required move.

On the nets Dlo has a chance to shoot 30 attempts per game without the attention/pressure that comes with the lakers. Especially with Lin going down, Dlo will now have the green light like he's never had before but he will forever be an "empty stats" player. He will have nights where he will drop 30 but I guarantee you it won't end in a win. His style of play doesn't positively impact teams the same way Zo does. Dlo is like the pg equivalent to Melo or ZBo (20 n 10) but much more inconsistent.

I see what you're saying but it just seems bizarre to pigeon hold a player who's only 21 years old. Players get better and mature over time. I feel like the Lakers just assume that they will be able to recruit star players so they can get rid of promising one's who might not be perfect. The defense would definitely be an issue though.
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Re: Lonzo Watch- 25 points 8 assists 10 rebounds 

Post#95 » by dalakershow717 » Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:58 am

JellosJigglin wrote:
prime1time wrote:At the very least they could have tried out the Lonzo D-Lo backcourt. They didn't even give it a chance.


I'd rather have Lonzo/Kuzma/Lopez than Lonzo/Dlo/Mozgov.

That latter trio, Lonzo and Dlo have overlapping skills and Mozgov is hot trash.


Lakers had the 28th pick too so they still would have had Kuzma. It would have been Lonzo/dlo/Kuz. If they followed through with Ingram for PG trade that team would have been even better than the current lakers squad.
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Post#96 » by Gil » Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:02 am

D-Lo is a horrible fit with Lonzo. People need to move on.
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Re: Lonzo Watch- 25 points 8 assists 10 rebounds 

Post#97 » by prime1time » Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:02 am

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prime1time wrote:
levon wrote:Eh, Lonzo from UCLA could've played with DLo. But they got him running the pick n roll here which was DLo's bread and butter.

What kind of guard fits with Lonzo then? I haven't watched a lot of his games but D-Lo projects as a great #2 guard.


Don't think guard, think team. Zo is an egalitarian distributer. Not a traditional pg like cp3, or a scoring pg like Tony Parker, but a pg built for the transition game. I think this is a new position that Zo just invented. At UCLA, it wasn't the half court where he excelled, it was in transition and often,,, the hockey assist.

That is true, but the hard thing to visualize is what kind of guard plays well with that kind of style. I'm a Wiz fan and we have Beal. I think he'd be very good with a pg like Zo. In fact, I think that Zo's style fits the Wiz better than Wall's. Right now we have Otto Porter who's coming on strong but it's starting to get kind of weird with regards to who gets to be aggressive. Zo's style would really show if you had a squad like Zo (3 or 4 years from now), Beal, Porter, Morris and an athetlic big man like Thompson.


As good as Zo is, shot creating isn't one of his strengths so the players that you surround him with will need to be able to space the floor, be solid on the fast break and create for themselves. Similar to how the Suns were built in Phoenix with Nash. It'll be fun to watch him Zo develop.
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Re: Lonzo Watch- 25 points 8 assists 10 rebounds 

Post#98 » by jpengland » Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:02 am

27 shots.

Phoenix.

That said, good game from him.
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Re: Lonzo Watch- 25 points 8 assists 10 rebounds 

Post#99 » by Edrees » Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:14 am

NY 567 wrote:Michael Carter Williams almost had a 20 point quadruple double in his NBA debut.


Did he win the game like Lonzo did?
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Re: Lonzo Watch- 25 points 8 assists 10 rebounds 

Post#100 » by mihail_petkov » Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:22 am

Edrees wrote:
NY 567 wrote:Michael Carter Williams almost had a 20 point quadruple double in his NBA debut.


Did he win the game like Lonzo did?

Were the 2012 Heat on same level as 2018 Suns?

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