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Post#121 » by mpharris36 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:55 pm

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mpharris36 wrote:a trade with the pelicans is beginning to make more and more sense. They need a player like Lee (starting 3/D) and KOQ (they don't have any backup bigs).


The whole "they have nothing to offer in return" sort of sucks though


http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ydhmqak3

Send a top 5 or 8 protected 2018 1st rounder and that trade would make sense for both parties.

Lee and KOQ

for

Asik, Ajinca, Jackson, and 2018 (lightly protected 1st).

jackson is a decent piece and the 1st is a really nice asset.

Asik only has 3 million guaranteed in his 3rd year (when we really should be looking for cap space). Ajinca is only a 2 year deal. Also Asik might be able to get medical retirement which means his cap comes off the book right away.

So I think this makes sense. Pelicans at best will be a 7 or 8 seed. Might even be late lottery. Which means we could have a top 5 pick (potentially another top 14 pick) then maybe the 1st or 2nd pick in the 2nd round. It also frees up minutes for WHG and Dotson which is perfect.
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Post#122 » by mpharris36 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:56 pm

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seren wrote:Most certainly Phoenix will want a first round pick for Bledsoe. Most certainly we should not trade a pick or a young player for Bledsoe.

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Hello Chicago high 2nd rounder.

KOQ, Lee, Chicago 2nd rounder (probably pick # 33 or 34 in the draft) for Bledsoe.

Bledsoe is a combo-ish enough as a guard he can play on or off the ball, not unlike how Frank is supposed to profile.
He turns 28 in December with 2 more years on his deal after this one.
No money added past CLee's deal that was already on the books - or not a significant amount

Downsides:
He can be injury prone
Losing the high 2nd rounder.


It would be great to not lose the high 2nd rounder, but probably not happening without it


and f*cking up our 1st round pick.

Bledsoe would be an atrocious move by our front office!
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Post#123 » by thebuzzardman » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:59 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:a trade with the pelicans is beginning to make more and more sense. They need a player like Lee (starting 3/D) and KOQ (they don't have any backup bigs).


The whole "they have nothing to offer in return" sort of sucks though


http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ydhmqak3

Send a top 5 or 8 protected 2018 1st rounder and that trade would make sense for both parties.

Lee and KOQ

for

Asik, Ajinca, Jackson, and 2018 (lightly protected 1st).

jackson is a decent piece and the 1st is a really nice asset.

Asik only has 3 million guaranteed in his 3rd year (when we really should be looking for cap space). Ajinca is only a 2 year deal. Also Asik might be able to get medical retirement which means his cap comes off the book right away.

So I think this makes sense. Pelicans at best will be a 7 or 8 seed. Might even be late lottery. Which means we could have a top 5 pick (potentially another top 14 pick) then maybe the 1st or 2nd pick in the 2nd round. It also frees up minutes for WHG and Dotson which is perfect.


Not a bad deal at all, other than the Knicks would wind up with Noah and Asik and like 30 million dollars of worthless Centers. Knicks don't get lucky and get medical exceptions and retirements and things like that. Then again, There is still Kanter and WHG as actual healthy C's and Noah, if ever healthy, is that 3rd C that teams generally carry (just not at 17 million per, thanks Phil)
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Post#124 » by thebuzzardman » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:01 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
seren wrote:Most certainly Phoenix will want a first round pick for Bledsoe. Most certainly we should not trade a pick or a young player for Bledsoe.

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Hello Chicago high 2nd rounder.

KOQ, Lee, Chicago 2nd rounder (probably pick # 33 or 34 in the draft) for Bledsoe.

Bledsoe is a combo-ish enough as a guard he can play on or off the ball, not unlike how Frank is supposed to profile.
He turns 28 in December with 2 more years on his deal after this one.
No money added past CLee's deal that was already on the books - or not a significant amount

Downsides:
He can be injury prone
Losing the high 2nd rounder.


It would be great to not lose the high 2nd rounder, but probably not happening without it


and f*cking up our 1st round pick.

Bledsoe would be an atrocious move by our front office!


You know I'm a tank advocate. Outside of that, it's a good deal. I'd surely rather tank. Honestly, I'd rather keep the high 2nd as well. Never know when that might become the difference in deal where the Knicks get to move up one spot in the draft and get exactly who they want, the better player, etc
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Post#125 » by seren » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:05 pm

You have to play the numbers game when you are rebuilding. None of the picks are guaranteed to become a star or a starter. You draft multiple, give them enough chances and see which ones turn out great. We don't have the luxury to take short cuts. We need more picks and young players. Not less.

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Re: 2017/2018 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.) 

Post#126 » by mpharris36 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:22 pm

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mpharris36 wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
The whole "they have nothing to offer in return" sort of sucks though


http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ydhmqak3

Send a top 5 or 8 protected 2018 1st rounder and that trade would make sense for both parties.

Lee and KOQ

for

Asik, Ajinca, Jackson, and 2018 (lightly protected 1st).

jackson is a decent piece and the 1st is a really nice asset.

Asik only has 3 million guaranteed in his 3rd year (when we really should be looking for cap space). Ajinca is only a 2 year deal. Also Asik might be able to get medical retirement which means his cap comes off the book right away.

So I think this makes sense. Pelicans at best will be a 7 or 8 seed. Might even be late lottery. Which means we could have a top 5 pick (potentially another top 14 pick) then maybe the 1st or 2nd pick in the 2nd round. It also frees up minutes for WHG and Dotson which is perfect.


Not a bad deal at all, other than the Knicks would wind up with Noah and Asik and like 30 million dollars of worthless Centers. Knicks don't get lucky and get medical exceptions and retirements and things like that. Then again, There is still Kanter and WHG as actual healthy C's and Noah, if ever healthy, is that 3rd C that teams generally carry (just not at 17 million per, thanks Phil)


We have too many centers as is. Asik just goes to the 15 man on the roster especially with Noah coming back we need to trade a center. Don't look at asik or ajinca as a centers because all they are going to do is ride the bench. Look at them as roster spaces.

we don't need cap space for next year because we will be coming off a 20 win year and no free agents want to come here. And I have also been reading the knicks might be able to apply for medical retirement if Asik misses all of this year which is likely.

The point is were would be maximizing getting a high lottery type 1st for KOQ and Lee which is really good value and take a flyer on jackson who was the 1st pick in the second round.

Would we need to make an additional move like maybe sending ajinca to a 3rd team for a similar horrible player with a similar contract sure. But im sure we could do that.

The key right now is getting back into the middle of the 1st round of the draft which this does and we are trading no key pieces to do this.

This also frees up major time for WHG and Dotson because Lee and KOQ are playing are rotational players right now. This would be a really forward thinking smart move. And pelicans need to make a move badly and shed a bad contract in asik by doing it.
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Post#127 » by NYKHardKnock » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:55 pm

I would do it.. we still end up with a bad record probably pick between 5-10.. pick someone like Bridges..

Courtney Lee, Willy Hernangomez for Bledsoe and 2nd round pick

Off season.. buyout Noah. Draft bridges. Sign Ariza, Allen, Zaza, Tolliver.

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Post#128 » by TankCommander17 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:57 pm

Kristaps6_NYK wrote:I would do it.. we still end up with a bad record probably pick between 5-10.. pick someone like Bridges..

Courtney Lee, Willy Hernangomez for Bledsoe and 2nd round pick

Off season.. buyout Noah. Draft bridges. Sign Ariza, Allen, Zaza, Tolliver.

Roll out

Eric Bledsoe -- Frank Ntilikina
Tony Allen -- Tim Hardaway Jr.
Trevor Ariza -- Doug McDermott
Miles Bridges -- Anthony Tolliver
Kristaps Porzingis -- Zaza Pachulia

:noway: :nonono:

Oh look a fringe playoff team capped out with no way to get better. Joy!
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Post#129 » by NYKHardKnock » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:01 pm

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Kristaps6_NYK wrote:I would do it.. we still end up with a bad record probably pick between 5-10.. pick someone like Bridges..

Courtney Lee, Willy Hernangomez for Bledsoe and 2nd round pick

Off season.. buyout Noah. Draft bridges. Sign Ariza, Allen, Zaza, Tolliver.

Roll out

Eric Bledsoe -- Frank Ntilikina
Tony Allen -- Tim Hardaway Jr.
Trevor Ariza -- Doug McDermott
Miles Bridges -- Anthony Tolliver
Kristaps Porzingis -- Zaza Pachulia

:noway: :nonono:

Oh look a fringe playoff team capped out with no way to get better. Joy!
Keeps KP happy. Eric has 1 year left after the season.. sign Ariza to a 2 year deal, everyone else to 1 year deals. Not awful imo. Plus good chance KP is a top 20 NBA player, with solid team players. Not a championship squad but that team can make some noise in the playoffs
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Post#130 » by TankCommander17 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:08 pm

Kristaps6_NYK wrote:
TankCommander17 wrote:
Kristaps6_NYK wrote:I would do it.. we still end up with a bad record probably pick between 5-10.. pick someone like Bridges..

Courtney Lee, Willy Hernangomez for Bledsoe and 2nd round pick

Off season.. buyout Noah. Draft bridges. Sign Ariza, Allen, Zaza, Tolliver.

Roll out

Eric Bledsoe -- Frank Ntilikina
Tony Allen -- Tim Hardaway Jr.
Trevor Ariza -- Doug McDermott
Miles Bridges -- Anthony Tolliver
Kristaps Porzingis -- Zaza Pachulia

:noway: :nonono:

Oh look a fringe playoff team capped out with no way to get better. Joy!
Keeps KP happy. Eric has 1 year left after the season.. sign Ariza to a 2 year deal, everyone else to 1 year deals. Not awful imo. Plus good chance KP is a top 20 NBA player, with solid team players. Not a championship squad but that team can make some noise in the playoffs

First off Noah would never agree to a buyout. This is his last big contract. He is keeping that money.

Ariza would never sign a 2 year contract here. Other people would have money to do it. Even with Noah's contract out we wouldn't have the money.

And most importantly why on earth would you stop the process of constructing a championship team to just get into the playoffs for a year or two and get bounced in the first round?

I swear some of you. :crazy: :nonono:
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Post#131 » by NYKHardKnock » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:14 pm

TankCommander17 wrote:
Kristaps6_NYK wrote:
TankCommander17 wrote: :noway: :nonono:

Oh look a fringe playoff team capped out with no way to get better. Joy!
Keeps KP happy. Eric has 1 year left after the season.. sign Ariza to a 2 year deal, everyone else to 1 year deals. Not awful imo. Plus good chance KP is a top 20 NBA player, with solid team players. Not a championship squad but that team can make some noise in the playoffs

First off Noah would never agree to a buyout. This is his last big contract. He is keeping that money.

Ariza would never sign a 2 year contract here. Other people would have money to do it. Even with Noah's contract out we wouldn't have the money.

And most importantly why on earth would you stop the process of constructing a championship team to just get into the playoffs for a year or two and get bounced in the first round?

I swear some of you. :crazy: :nonono:
You dont have to agree with me you asshat. Noah will get his money regardless. Your so called strat will keep KP unhappy and will want to leave before his contract ends
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Post#132 » by 3toheadmelo » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:17 pm

might as well kept melo if y'all want bledsoe....

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Post#133 » by TankCommander17 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:17 pm

Kristaps6_NYK wrote:
TankCommander17 wrote:
Kristaps6_NYK wrote:Keeps KP happy. Eric has 1 year left after the season.. sign Ariza to a 2 year deal, everyone else to 1 year deals. Not awful imo. Plus good chance KP is a top 20 NBA player, with solid team players. Not a championship squad but that team can make some noise in the playoffs

First off Noah would never agree to a buyout. This is his last big contract. He is keeping that money.

Ariza would never sign a 2 year contract here. Other people would have money to do it. Even with Noah's contract out we wouldn't have the money.

And most importantly why on earth would you stop the process of constructing a championship team to just get into the playoffs for a year or two and get bounced in the first round?

I swear some of you. :crazy: :nonono:
You dont got to agree with me you asshat. Noah will get his money regardless. Your so called strat will keep KP unhappy and will want to leave before his contract.

That is not how buyouts work. They don't get all their money. But you would know that right?

Also Kp can't leave for 2 more years. Even if he becomes a restricted free agent we can match. And you going off about a terrible team just becauase of 1 news story is lol worthy. :lol:
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Post#134 » by NYKHardKnock » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:19 pm

TankCommander17 wrote:
Kristaps6_NYK wrote:
TankCommander17 wrote:First off Noah would never agree to a buyout. This is his last big contract. He is keeping that money.

Ariza would never sign a 2 year contract here. Other people would have money to do it. Even with Noah's contract out we wouldn't have the money.

And most importantly why on earth would you stop the process of constructing a championship team to just get into the playoffs for a year or two and get bounced in the first round?

I swear some of you. :crazy: :nonono:
You dont got to agree with me you asshat. Noah will get his money regardless. Your so called strat will keep KP unhappy and will want to leave before his contract.

That is not how buyouts work. They don't get all their money. But you would know that right?

Also Kp can't leave for 2 more years. Even if he becomes a restricted free agent we can match. And you going off about a terrible team just becauase of 1 news story is lol worthy. :lol:
He can leave after 2020. You want to lose your franchise player when hes 24-25?
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Post#135 » by TankCommander17 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:25 pm

Kristaps6_NYK wrote:
TankCommander17 wrote:
Kristaps6_NYK wrote:You dont got to agree with me you asshat. Noah will get his money regardless. Your so called strat will keep KP unhappy and will want to leave before his contract.

That is not how buyouts work. They don't get all their money. But you would know that right?

Also Kp can't leave for 2 more years. Even if he becomes a restricted free agent we can match. And you going off about a terrible team just becauase of 1 news story is lol worthy. :lol:
He can leave after 2020. You want to lose your franchise player when hes 24-25?

He will be the first player in nba history to turn down his first max contract just to prove a point. You know what I am going to go with the odds that history tells me that he will take the money and stay. I got a hunch about that. Especially a guy who has not been fully healthy for any season he has played.

Just a hunch he will take the money.
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Post#136 » by 3toheadmelo » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:29 pm

if frank turns out to be good, and we hit on our next draft pick (which is going to be top 5), KP isn't going anywhere
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Post#137 » by NYKHardKnock » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:31 pm

TankCommander17 wrote:
Kristaps6_NYK wrote:
TankCommander17 wrote:That is not how buyouts work. They don't get all their money. But you would know that right?

Also Kp can't leave for 2 more years. Even if he becomes a restricted free agent we can match. And you going off about a terrible team just becauase of 1 news story is lol worthy. :lol:
He can leave after 2020. You want to lose your franchise player when hes 24-25?

He will be the first player in nba history to turn down his first max contract just to prove a point. You know what I am going to go with the odds that history tells me that he will take the money and stay. I got a hunch about that. Especially a guy who has not been fully healthy for any season he has played.

Just a hunch he will take the money.
Will he still qualify for super max if he requests a trade and does get dealt?
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Post#138 » by TankCommander17 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:33 pm

Kristaps6_NYK wrote:
TankCommander17 wrote:
Kristaps6_NYK wrote:He can leave after 2020. You want to lose your franchise player when hes 24-25?

He will be the first player in nba history to turn down his first max contract just to prove a point. You know what I am going to go with the odds that history tells me that he will take the money and stay. I got a hunch about that. Especially a guy who has not been fully healthy for any season he has played.

Just a hunch he will take the money.
Will he still qualify for super max if he requests a trade and does get dealt?

Not sure to be honest.
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Post#139 » by Knicksfan1992 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:54 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
TankCommander17 wrote:Anyone who wants Bledsoe here should be immediately banned. You want to ruin the tank for a player who is not a difference maker? He might get you a win or 2 more to screw us again and go from top 5 to top 10. GTFO.


Fair point.

He'd be a good example for the sort of player Frank can aspire too, but in a taller version - combo-ish PG.


I think Bledsoe is an ideal backcourt fit next to Frank moreso than a guy Frank has to serve behind. Frank, in theory, makes up for all his weaknesses (lack of height on D and inconsistent shooting). Bled can also make up for Franks lack of burst and limited playmaking. Questions are, is Bledsoe too old for our timeline/will he help us win too many games this year to get a chance at a star in the draft?
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