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carey wrote:Anyone else think it's hilarious that when Knight got injured Gambo said he was done in Phoenix. Will never play another game. Today he spends 2 segments on how Brandon Knight is now the best PG on the roster and should be allowed to be the starting PG when he returns so we don't need a PG traded back to us in the Bledsoe deal. I wonder who got in his ear and made him do a complete 180. Hmmm?
raferfenix wrote:Hey Suns fans, thanks for posting the Gambo radio podcast!
Took down some notes from it to try and get a handle on what a Bucks - Suns trade scenario might look like. Seems like Chandler being in the deal is a particularly big x-factor.
- Bucks won't put Brogdon in the deal. Value him as a player but also his contract given upcoming cap challenges.
- Jordan Schultz is close with Earl Watson, so biased. Said a trade wasn't going to happen but don't believe it: the Suns are still talking to Milwaukee.
- Ramona Shelburne says Denver and Milwaukee. Milwaukee has combination of expiring in Monroe and other assets, but no awe-inspiring deals.
- Mudiay is not that good. Hernangomez is not bad. That package would be ok.
- Rich Paul is going to have outrageous contract demands for Bledsoe. Teams like him at $14 million but not at $23 million. Paul will be very difficult to deal with when that comes up. McDonough made it harder to do a deal because of emphasizing Rich Paul.
- Marc Stein says the Suns would like to deal Chandler as part of the deal. Duh. Of course they would like to get rid of that salary. To get rid of Chandler in a Bledsoe deal you would have to give up a first round pick or take back nothing in return. You will get so much less in value you won't be able to go back to your fanbase and say you got a player you like for those two because no one will buy it. His value is nothing, he's an ok player, no one wants to pay him over the next two years.
- Suns might still do it to try to get to major cap space earlier to make a big play in free agency to get Avery Bradly or Jokic or George or Cousins. Or they could just get a lesser deal where they don't get back anything that is going to help them and you just get rid of Bledsoe and Chandler.
- Bledsoe is damaged goods because of the agent and how things went down. Have the impression this is going to take a while for the Suns to create a marketplace for the kind of deal they'd be happy with.
- All the deals so far are very blah. Similar to what happened with Kyrie Irving, teams did not want to give up top assets to get him. Much higher regarded player though. Whether it's the Suns fault or Bledsoe's fault, worried the marketplace is very cool on Bledsoe. Not getting the sense there is a real burning market, McDonough is trying to create that perception there are 10 teams who want to trade for him to get 1 to bite.
http://arizonasports.com/category/podcast_player/?a=336956&sid=1005&n=Burns+%26+Gambo
carey wrote:It is 2-time, every time.
LukasBMW wrote:Honestly, I'd be OK if we snagged a 1t round pick (likely 22-27), Thon, and an expiring from the Bucks for Bledsoe.
Monroe would be my preference since he is actually expiring, but I'd pull the trigger on Telly too.
-Add Thon to our position-less future front court of Chriss and Bender.
-Add their 2018 pick and we end up looking like #1-5, + #8-#16 (Miami), + #22-27.
Underwhelming? Perhaps, but it keeps our options over and gives us more trade chips.
BobbieL wrote:As for Bled/chandler - if the deal is Monroe, Tele and a draft pick - that's not bad to me. Cap space this offseason. Bucks aren't giving up anything of value except a pick in the 20's. Suns can even ship back a 2nd rounder - they have three. Suns can take back cash too - they have 10m of cap space. I just don't Dellys contract to take.
raferfenix wrote:BobbieL wrote:As for Bled/chandler - if the deal is Monroe, Tele and a draft pick - that's not bad to me. Cap space this offseason. Bucks aren't giving up anything of value except a pick in the 20's. Suns can even ship back a 2nd rounder - they have three. Suns can take back cash too - they have 10m of cap space. I just don't Dellys contract to take.
Appreciate your perspective!
Bucks fans are debating whether or not we'd trade Thon Maker in a package for Bledsoe + Chandler.
Might it be possible the Bucks 2018 first + DJ Wilson + Monroe gets it done?
Not sure how you'd value Thon but Milwaukee is very high on him, despite the age thing -- he's most likely around 24.
Also noting that you have Teletovic in your scenario but the Bucks wouldn't necessarily need to include him. Certainly would if we could though since we'd be paying luxury tax this year if we don't find a way to drop some more cap space.
Anyways thought I'd mention it if a deal might end up being largely about maximizing Phoenix's cap space for this summer.
BobbieL wrote:In trades with the Bucks - if Chandler is included - its because Teletovic is a salary match for both teams. It does save the Suns a couple million of cap space but both deals expire in 2019
I am just not sure why the Bucks would want to move Monroe for Chandler because Monroes deal expires this year - unless they want a couple years with the group since Bled and Chandler and a lot of Bucks , save I think Parker, are signed through 2019.
raferfenix wrote:BobbieL wrote:As for Bled/chandler - if the deal is Monroe, Tele and a draft pick - that's not bad to me. Cap space this offseason. Bucks aren't giving up anything of value except a pick in the 20's. Suns can even ship back a 2nd rounder - they have three. Suns can take back cash too - they have 10m of cap space. I just don't Dellys contract to take.
Appreciate your perspective!
Bucks fans are debating whether or not we'd trade Thon Maker in a package for Bledsoe + Chandler.
Might it be possible the Bucks 2018 first + DJ Wilson + Monroe gets it done?
Not sure how you'd value Thon but Milwaukee is very high on him, despite the age thing -- he's most likely around 24.
Also noting that you have Teletovic in your scenario but the Bucks wouldn't necessarily need to include him. Certainly would if we could though since we'd be paying luxury tax this year if we don't find a way to drop some more cap space.
Anyways thought I'd mention it if a deal might end up being largely about maximizing Phoenix's cap space for this summer.
darealjuice wrote:Man I'm just ready for this Bledsoe trade to happen already. I just can't imagine McD pulling the trigger without getting a young player or potential lottery pick in return.
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carey wrote:It is 2-time, every time.
fromthetop321 wrote:I got Lebron number 1, he is also leading defensive player of the year. Curry's game still reminds me of Jeremy Lin to much.
DirtyDez wrote:Realistically, Nuggets pick top-7 protected plus expiring for Bled or Bled/Chandler for Thon/Tele/Monroe/1st. They should definitely be talking with Philly about Fultz but I still think he's untouchable given his fit with Simmons and what they gave up for him.
cosmofizzo wrote:Would you give us Parker + Monroe + 2nd for Bledsoe and Chandler? I would want to send Parker to a third team for a package similar to what the Mavs sent Philly for Nerlens Noel.