Fultz vs. Tatum: What do you think now?

[Darth Celtic]

But it wasn't.

Irving got an all-star PG in IT, Crowder, and a Nets pick that was more valuable than any pick last year.

Irving got more than just about any all-star in the last 10 years in a trade.

You do know the Nets are the 7th seed in the east right? So, the 16th pick this year is more valuable than any pick in 2017?....... I mean, I have no words.

I know that, and I also know it's a long season an their starting lineup is:

Deangelo Russel
Levert
Demare Carrol
RHJ
Mozgov

That will contend for the least talented starting lineup the NBA has seen in years. Not a single player is even close to all-star level. Let's wait and see how they do this year.

I also know they won't end up in the playoffs this year, but i'm making a point. They won't be a bottom 5 team this year. And the 2017 draft was stacked with talent out to 9-10 ish. The top 5 in 18 aren't all better than Tatum. I'd say Nets pick in that 6-11 range.

[ConstableGeneva]

I'm just glad this movie got canned and we went with Tatum Raider instead.

[shackles10]

Spoiler:

I'm just glad this movie got canned and we went with Tatum Raider instead.

I prefer the sequel


:waits for someone to photoshop Danny and Tatum:

[London2Boston]

There is no way 70% of the forum liked the trade at the time. Felt like 95% of us were melting down when we traded down and saw the protections on the future pick.

[LobCityRondo2KG]

I was definitely disappointed but I am more than happy with Tatum

[ConstableGeneva]

There is no way 70% of the forum liked the trade at the time. Felt like 95% of us were melting down when we traded down and saw the protections on the future pick.

Maybe the lurkers liked Tatum and the extra pick. We will never know.

[rmal8852]

i see it as tatum and irving for fultz personally, and that is a crazy good trade.

But it wasn't.

Irving got an all-star PG in IT, Crowder, and a Nets pick that was more valuable than any pick last year.

Irving got more than just about any all-star in the last 10 years in a trade.

You do know the Nets are the 7th seed in the east right? So, the 16th pick this year is more valuable than any pick in 2017?....... I mean, I have no words.

STOP!!!!....Why are you trying to cloud the issue with FACTS?!?!

[SMTBSI]

There is no way 70% of the forum liked the trade at the time. Felt like 95% of us were melting down when we traded down and saw the protections on the future pick.

I think it has a lot to do with the wording of the poll choices. You can't vote for "didn't like it and still don't" without explicitly saying you want Ainge fired, which some may not want to do. Also, anyone who had an opinion at the time but now is 50/50 or withholding judgment until they've seen more isn't covered. Also, anyone who prefers Ball. (For example, my vote would go to "had no strong feeling at the time, but feel good about it now", if that was an option. Since it's not, I haven't voted.)

There's just too many gaps in poll option coverage to make very much at all of the results. Poll option wording actually matters, if you want to learn anything from the results.

[Jingles]

i see it as tatum and irving for fultz personally, and that is a crazy good trade.

But it wasn't.

Irving got an all-star PG in IT, Crowder, and a Nets pick that was more valuable than any pick last year.

Irving got more than just about any all-star in the last 10 years in a trade.

IT isn't an all-star PG, he's an expiring contract with a busted hip. Crowder looks like just a guy outside the Stevensverse, and the Nets pick is much more volatile this year. I'll take the future performance of Irving over the future performance of these assets, especially when an IT extension would have ended up being a negative asset, maybe sooner than later.

[celticfan42487]

But it wasn't.

Irving got an all-star PG in IT, Crowder, and a Nets pick that was more valuable than any pick last year.

Irving got more than just about any all-star in the last 10 years in a trade.

You do know the Nets are the 7th seed in the east right? So, the 16th pick this year is more valuable than any pick in 2017?....... I mean, I have no words.

STOP!!!!....Why are you trying to cloud the issue with FACTS?!?!

My God. The most shortsighted facts ever. With no thought behind them.

I just.

Okay whatever, I have the same reaction to Trump marketing.

[celticfan42487]

i see it as tatum and irving for fultz personally, and that is a crazy good trade.

But it wasn't.

Irving got an all-star PG in IT, Crowder, and a Nets pick that was more valuable than any pick last year.

Irving got more than just about any all-star in the last 10 years in a trade.

IT isn't an all-star PG, he's an expiring contract with a busted hip. Crowder looks like just a guy outside the Stevensverse, and the Nets pick is much more volatile this year. I'll take the future performance of Irving over the future performance of these assets, especially when an IT extension would have ended up being a negative asset, maybe sooner than later.

We'll see on IT. We seem awfully bullish on Hayward recovering but some reason feel like IT can't regain his form.

I wasn't high on signing IT for max years, but I don't think he's suddenly not an all-star magically. He has value, and is an all-star level player.

[Cuban Pete]

FWIW I felt Tatum might have been the best player heading into the draft. The guy's numbers (DRB%, FT%, Steal%) all project stardom.

That said, I was wrong on Brown and Rozier. They turned out to be solid picks for the draft position.

[tlee324]

There is no way 70% of the forum liked the trade at the time. Felt like 95% of us were melting down when we traded down and saw the protections on the future pick.

I liked Fultz quite a lot, myself prior to the draft; there's still a lot to like there, but clearly there's some issues. I also was hooked on Tatum highlights, particularly the one of Duke vs Virginia... Jackson, Fox, and Issac too all looked good. Even Markakken looked good.
The guy I wasn't big on was Ball, but even with that I figured he'd be a starter in the league. I was shaky on DSJ, but he's proving to be a player too. This was just a good draft to take some chances on, lots of talent... I think that's why I didn't flip out when we got Tatum. It showed at the time, that they were fine going forward with Thomas, which later turned to Kyrie. Good moves all around for Ainge, IMO. Coming out with a pick from Philly too turned out to be an excellent move. Fultz will need to make lots of strides at this point to make Boston regret the situation.

[ConstableGeneva]

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[VeryMuchWoke]

This is how the Philly board views the deal (LOL):

This is hilarious to me. People are actually worried about Okafor going to Boston and helping them, but nobody seemed at all concerned when we gifted Boston a high lottery pick for next year.

Glad I could humor you. Did you ever consider that some people don't share your opinion regarding the Fultz trade or the premise that Ainge was in fact going to pick Tatum #1? Further, I'm not worried about Okafor in Boston. I would just assume he goes somewhere else and Boston doesn't get any help up front. Besides, I'm not sure if Okafor will ever do much in this league, but if he does figure it out, i would just assume it's far away.

If only Josh Jackson had just humoured Ainge instead of being well... Josh Jackson... it would have ended up the way it should have been. With Celtics fans screeching like banshees in anger.

Instead Ainge literally fell onto a 4 leaf clover and they now try and convince themselves and the rest of the world that Tatum was Ainge's target all along.

As for next year's pick... lightening won't strike twice. Ainge will go back to picking up ordinary talent proving another player doesn't bail him out.

At least one of them gets it. I do think Fultz will be fine, but don't see how anybody could think **** Ainge is a good idea at this point. I mean, there's really still skepticism that Ainge had Tatum at #1??

[GWVan]

Remember when Danny said he had Rondo way higher in the draft than anyone else? There were a lot of scoffers. Every re-draft has him top 5 and I've seen him as high as 1st.

When he said he had Tatum #1 I assumed Fultz was not all he was hyped up to be and Tatum was going to be a gem. I trust him and this is playing out like that trust is well placed.

[Bostondave]

Danny is looking like he can see into the future or something. The LAL vs. BKN pick is the final piece to nail down Danny being psychic or something.

[tlee324]

Ainge picked the right guy. Plain as day.... I just want to post this on every Fultz thread on RealGM....

[Kolkmania]

This is how the Philly board views the deal (LOL):

Glad I could humor you. Did you ever consider that some people don't share your opinion regarding the Fultz trade or the premise that Ainge was in fact going to pick Tatum #1? Further, I'm not worried about Okafor in Boston. I would just assume he goes somewhere else and Boston doesn't get any help up front. Besides, I'm not sure if Okafor will ever do much in this league, but if he does figure it out, i would just assume it's far away.

If only Josh Jackson had just humoured Ainge instead of being well... Josh Jackson... it would have ended up the way it should have been. With Celtics fans screeching like banshees in anger.

Instead Ainge literally fell onto a 4 leaf clover and they now try and convince themselves and the rest of the world that Tatum was Ainge's target all along.

As for next year's pick... lightening won't strike twice. Ainge will go back to picking up ordinary talent proving another player doesn't bail him out.

At least one of them gets it. I do think Fultz will be fine, but don't see how anybody could think **** Ainge is a good idea at this point. I mean, there's really still skepticism that Ainge had Tatum at #1??

How is the recent play of Tatum relevant to the skepticism of Ainge's statements that he had Tatum #1 on his boards back in May?

[FlatearthZorro]

Tatum was always my guy. Him and DSJ. JT is just too skilled for his age to not be a star if he's hard worker. Just no way. I also think he's a better athlete than most here expected and his 3 point shot is wet- something I even thought could take a little bit of time. His rebounding is great and his length and his huge strides when he attacks the rim are awesome too...