An honest question for fans about Luke Kennard

[7r5ur]

I can't believe people are peeing their pants over this, and I'm a big Kennard fan? They're 5-3 and 1st in the Central following an early west coast trip? If the team were struggling rather than contending, and Kennard was getting no look, okay, why not? I suppose all I'm saying is that it's kind of jumping the gun at this point.

Oh we've seen this story. See: Ellenson, Henry. It's not an anomaly it's a pattern.

If you drafted a guy in the lottery and you can't even dress them despite a solid decade of losing, you probably drafted the wrong guy.

Either Stan is a bad drafter or he's bad a developing talent.

Stanley should be way better than he is. Henry hasn't done anything. Luke is on pace to be a non-factor for the foreseeable future given the roster with Bradley/Galloway. That's 3 first round picks (2 in the lottery). You could probably land a Jimmy Butler/Paul George type of deal with 3 first rounders. It's just a waste.

WTH

you guys are under-estimating the leap that every player has to take from college to pro's. and that for majority of players drafted, that leap is made by very few players in their first and 2nd years, and even through their rookie contract.

Hindsights 20/20

You guys are severely overreacting to our draft picks. This isn't 2K, in reality players need development.

Wait... isn't that exactly what we're saying?

Or are you one of those who believes players become experienced vets by sitting in street clothes?

You dress them. You play them in most games, even if it's just a few minutes. A season of DNP's just means he comes in next year looking like a 22 year old rookie (See Henry this year), and Stan won't want to play him then either.

We're talking about a lotto pick who isn't some raw 19 year old, and he's sitting because of Reggie Bullock, who has never even managed to become a consistent member of a rotation in his career.

[Blkbrd671]

Wait... isn't that exactly what we're saying?

Or are you one of those who believes players become experienced vets by sitting in street clothes?

If he can't even out play RB and LG , then f* yes he needs to be sitting his a* on the bench. You guys act like LK is already a allstar and SVG just choosing not to play him.

You do realize SVG and assistant coaches see him every day in practice??

We've been through 8 games and you guys already acting like LK's going to be a bust because SVG's not force feeding him minutes at the determent to the team . I simply can't agree with that.

Another way to develop is to realize that your not playing well enough to even beat out the back ups so you need to step your sh* up. In reality this has more to do with LK's learning curve

You dress them. You play them in most games, even if it's just a few minutes. A season of DNP's just means he comes in next year looking like a 22 year old rookie (See Henry this year), and Stan won't want to play him then either.

We're talking about a lotto pick who isn't some raw 19 year old, and he's sitting because of Reggie Bullock, who has never even managed to become a consistent member of a rotation in his career.

He's sitting him because LK hasn't out performed RB. and defensively RB brings way more with his length and versatility. aGain dressing lotto picks, "because he's a lotto pick", makes absolutely no sense in realm of reality.

[7r5ur]

Wait... isn't that exactly what we're saying?

Or are you one of those who believes players become experienced vets by sitting in street clothes?

If he can't even out play RB and LG , then f* yes he needs to be sitting his a* on the bench. You guys act like LK is already a allstar and SVG just choosing not to play him.

You do realize SVG and assistant coaches see him every day in practice??

We've been through 8 games and you guys already acting like LK's going to be a bust because SVG's not force feeding him minutes at the determent to the team . I simply can't agree with that.

Another way to develop is to realize that your not playing well enough to even beat out the back ups so you need to step your sh* up. In reality this has more to do with LK's learning curve

You dress them. You play them in most games, even if it's just a few minutes. A season of DNP's just means he comes in next year looking like a 22 year old rookie (See Henry this year), and Stan won't want to play him then either.

We're talking about a lotto pick who isn't some raw 19 year old, and he's sitting because of Reggie Bullock, who has never even managed to become a consistent member of a rotation in his career.

He's sitting him because LK hasn't out performed RB. and defensively RB brings way more with his length and versatility. aGain dressing lotto picks, "because he's a lotto pick", makes absolutely no sense in realm of reality.

Ahh gotcha, so you're saying LK has to be an "all-star" to outplay 22% shooting Reggie Bullock. That ain't struggling though. He's a vet!

Or the steady dose of Leuer we're getting while Tolliver's role is sporadic.

But sure, Stan's rotations are all merit-based. Leuer's probably dominating in practice

[Blkbrd671]

Wait... isn't that exactly what we're saying?

Or are you one of those who believes players become experienced vets by sitting in street clothes?

If he can't even out play RB and LG , then f* yes he needs to be sitting his a* on the bench. You guys act like LK is already a allstar and SVG just choosing not to play him.

You do realize SVG and assistant coaches see him every day in practice??

We've been through 8 games and you guys already acting like LK's going to be a bust because SVG's not force feeding him minutes at the determent to the team . I simply can't agree with that.

Another way to develop is to realize that your not playing well enough to even beat out the back ups so you need to step your sh* up. In reality this has more to do with LK's learning curve

You dress them. You play them in most games, even if it's just a few minutes. A season of DNP's just means he comes in next year looking like a 22 year old rookie (See Henry this year), and Stan won't want to play him then either.

We're talking about a lotto pick who isn't some raw 19 year old, and he's sitting because of Reggie Bullock, who has never even managed to become a consistent member of a rotation in his career.

He's sitting him because LK hasn't out performed RB. and defensively RB brings way more with his length and versatility. aGain dressing lotto picks, "because he's a lotto pick", makes absolutely no sense in realm of reality.

Ahh gotcha, so you're saying LK has to be an "all-star" to outplay 22% shooting Reggie Bullock. That ain't struggling though. He's a vet!

Or the steady dose of Leuer we're getting while Tolliver's role is sporadic.

But sure, Stan's rotations are all merit-based. Leuer's probably dominating in practice

Don't change the goal post, we are discussing LK's minutes.


and it says more about LK's readiness than RB the fact he can't get minutes over a guy shooting 22%. Additionally you may want to use career numbers rather than cherry picking a small sample size of a player who just came off suspension.

You also continue to forget the other side of the ball, which probably has more to do with LK not playing. If you did watch him when he got minutes, teams were attacking him and doing it successfully. He got lost on several rotations etc. RB simply brings more to the table and has a larger body of work from the coaches to rely on .

again guys, this isn't 2K, this is real life where player development isn't just editing a players profile and increasing ratings.

LK needs to win his rotation spot in practive. Obviously he's not doing it to this point

[Pharaoh]

You dress them. You play them in most games, even if it's just a few minutes.

Why?

What do you hope to gain in those minutes? What do you hope to learn? What do you hope Luke learns in those minutes?

A season of DNP's just means he comes in next year looking like a 22 year old rookie (See Henry this year), and Stan won't want to play him then either.

And SVG is aware of that so he's gonna have to learn from his mistakes with Henry & SJ here


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[GreekAlex]

Good news... Luke is going to log heavy minutes in his next game.

Him and Henrey are headed to Grand Rapids to play at 1pm tomorrow

[ImHeisenberg]

Good news... Luke is going to log heavy minutes in his next game.

Him and Henrey are headed to Grand Rapids to play at 1pm tomorrow

Really? Almost tempted to go check them out. But, the game starts in 10 minutes. It would be 45 minutes before I packed the wife and kids up and took them over there.

[hoophabit]

Young fellas represented well in the G league game:
http://gleague.nba.com/games/20171105/RAPGRD/

[whitehops]

not too much on this highlight because he went to the line 11 times, scored 26 points:

Watch on YouTube

[engelbert321]

not too much on this highlight because he went to the line 11 times, scored 26 points:

Watch on YouTube

Encouraging

[Pharaoh]

Best place for Luke atm

LG has earnt minutes and SVG is gonna give Bullock every opportunity to get himself into gear

Henry playing in the G League is a insult and just further illustrates SVG is full of ****!

Less than a week ago SVG sits there and says Henry has earnt the right to play, he's done "everything" they've asked him to do...

Next thing you know he's getting splinters on his arse?

The more things change the more they stay the same with SVG

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[vic]

SVG is finally prioritizing defense, instead of just talking about it... so now he's getting wins. I ain't mad at him.

You can only have so many ball-handlers/dribblers on the court before they become redundant. When you want to win you have to put more defenders on the court.

That's why Galloway, bullock, and Tolliver, and Moreland are playing, plain and simple. And they are winning, and I'm not complaining

[GreekAlex]

Best place for Luke atm



Henry playing in the G League is a insult and just further illustrates SVG is full of ****!


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Did you run out of green ink?

Henry has been better on Defense this season but still gets abused on a regular basis.

Tolliver isn't a long term solution but the team clearly plays better with him rather than Henry.

They just have a different energy and as much as I like to see the young guys develop it's about wins right now to cement this new culture.

The Kennard over Bullock is a better argument at this point.

Who's minutes do you suggest Henry should get, Tolliver or Moreland?

[Pharaoh]

Best place for Luke atm



Henry playing in the G League is a insult and just further illustrates SVG is full of ****!


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Did you run out of green ink?

Henry has been better on Defense this season but still gets abused on a regular basis.

Tolliver isn't a long term solution but the team clearly plays better with him rather than Henry.

They just have a different energy and as much as I like to see the young guys develop it's about wins right now to cement this new culture.

The Kennard over Bullock is a better argument at this point.

Green font? I'm not being sarcastic!

Tolliver should be the first big off the bench...

He should shift to the 5 when Henry comes on. Moreland (& Jon & Bobo) is there if Henry gets abused

The same people wanting Luke to play for his development surely have to think Henry deserves to play too?

Or is it a case of "shiny new toy"?

Fact is SVG is full of it and the curious case of Henry is further evidence.

IF he's earnt the right to play

IF he's done everything you've asked

Then why does he get yanked or sat so quickly?

To win? In November? For defense? Who else is getting yanked for poor D?

SVG talks a lot of rubbish - it's been proven that he's full of it, practices double standards and plays favourites.

I'm guessing he's honest with these guys once the cameras and mics aren't around cause otherwise he'd have already lost the vast majority of this roster



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[GreekAlex]

Best place for Luke atm



Henry playing in the G League is a insult and just further illustrates SVG is full of ****!


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Did you run out of green ink?

Henry has been better on Defense this season but still gets abused on a regular basis.

Tolliver isn't a long term solution but the team clearly plays better with him rather than Henry.

They just have a different energy and as much as I like to see the young guys develop it's about wins right now to cement this new culture.

The Kennard over Bullock is a better argument at this point.

Green font? I'm not being sarcastic!

Tolliver should be the first big off the bench...

He should shift to the 5 when Henry comes on. Moreland (& Jon & Bobo) is there if Henry gets abused

The same people wanting Luke to play for his development surely have to think Henry deserves to play too?

Or is it a case of "shiny new toy"?

Fact is SVG is full of it and the curious case of Henry is further evidence.

IF he's earnt the right to play

IF he's done everything you've asked

Then why does he get yanked or sat so quickly?

To win? In November? For defense? Who else is getting yanked for poor D?

SVG talks a lot of rubbish - it's been proven that he's full of it, practices double standards and plays favourites.

I'm guessing he's honest with these guys once the cameras and mics aren't around cause otherwise he'd have already lost the vast majority of this roster



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I'm not sure how I feel about AT playing center.

In theory it sounds good but I like how the team plays with Andre & Moreland now that there are enough shooters for spacing.

Unless the other teams match ups dictate a small ball lineup, this teams seems better constructed to play with a traditional center to grab boards ard protect the paint.

[Pharaoh]

Did you run out of green ink?

Henry has been better on Defense this season but still gets abused on a regular basis.

Tolliver isn't a long term solution but the team clearly plays better with him rather than Henry.

They just have a different energy and as much as I like to see the young guys develop it's about wins right now to cement this new culture.

The Kennard over Bullock is a better argument at this point.

Green font? I'm not being sarcastic!

Tolliver should be the first big off the bench...

He should shift to the 5 when Henry comes on. Moreland (& Jon & Bobo) is there if Henry gets abused

The same people wanting Luke to play for his development surely have to think Henry deserves to play too?

Or is it a case of "shiny new toy"?

Fact is SVG is full of it and the curious case of Henry is further evidence.

IF he's earnt the right to play

IF he's done everything you've asked

Then why does he get yanked or sat so quickly?

To win? In November? For defense? Who else is getting yanked for poor D?

SVG talks a lot of rubbish - it's been proven that he's full of it, practices double standards and plays favourites.

I'm guessing he's honest with these guys once the cameras and mics aren't around cause otherwise he'd have already lost the vast majority of this roster



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I'm not sure how I feel about AT playing center.

In theory it sounds good but I like how the team plays with Andre & Moreland now that there are enough shooters for spacing.

Unless the other teams match ups dictate a small ball lineup, this teams seems better constructed to play with a traditional center to grab boards ard protect the paint.

Yeah it depends on match ups but if SVG states Henry has earnt his minutes and done everything they've asked WHY isn't he getting consistent burn?

For defensive reasons? Who else has defensive issues? Are they on the choker chain too?

For those calling for Luke to play: are you also calling for Henry to play? Are you trashing SVG for BS about Henry?

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[tmorgan]

I think the answer there is simple, and has been stated many times:

We're playing Bullock, who isn't playing well, over Kennard. Kennard should be the 5th guard in the rotation.

For bigs, because Ellenson isn't a defender and Leuer is passive, the only centers are Dre, Moreland, and Boban. Boban is nailed to the bench, one would assume because he's not playing well in practice or can't run the sets we want to run. Ellenson is therefore a 4, and the competition is Tobas (the obvious starter with SJ playing the 3), Leuer, and Tolliver. Leuer has stunk pretty bad, but Tolliver has been good. Tolliver is taking those minutes and playing well. Leuer may not have much of a role for a while, even when his ankle gets better.

There's simply a better replacement for Ellenson than Kennard right now. I'd like to see both, particularly in blowouts, but there haven't been many of those in either direction.

[Liqourish]

I understand Galloway playing. I even understand Tolliver/Leuer playing when healthy. I don't understand playing Reggie Bullock. He doesn't play defense, he's horrible offensively. He should be glued to the bench. He adds nothing.

The thing that impresses me most about Kennard is his patience. He's not rushing to take errant shots. He's also actively engaged at all times. We don't know about his defense just yet but he has shown good hands.

My roster would be up to 11 deep depending on rotations and matchups:

R. Jackson 28/I. Smith 20
A. Bradley 32/L. Galloway 16/L. Kennard
S. Johnson 30/T. Harris 18/L. Kennard /H. Ellenson
T. Harris 15/A. Tolliver 20/H. Ellenson 13
A. Drummond 33/E. Moreland 15

Drummond 33
Tobias 33
Bradley 32
Johnson 30
Jackson 28
Ish 20
Tolliver 20
Galloway 16
Moreland 15
Ellenson 13
Kennard spot/matchup

If we moved Boban/Bullock/Leuer in a trade for even a draft pick or capspace to re-sign Bradley, I would love this roster.