Game 10, Suns at Spurs, November 5th, 5PM MST

[lonea]

Actually, the 2nd unit with JJ, Uls, Bender, Len, Daneils are fairly consistent.

If anything JJ needs to step up and lead the 2nd unit. Giving him starter minutes is useless at this point.

Well I disagree. You can let players play through mistakes just as much as sitting them. The problem is IMO, is JJ doesn't play consistently enough in games to catch some rythmn, and the fact that the whole team stinks, says no one on this team is good enough to say they should be starting without a doubt over someone else outside of Booker.

[bwgood77]

We are talent killers. Look at Chriss compared to last year. Jackson is wasting away on the bench...spot minutes here and there, never able to get into a rhythm. Booker sits way to long after starting hot. For some reason the offense doesn't run thru him. The rotation is all over the place. Why not start Bender?

Booker
Jackson
TJ
Bender
Len

Daniels off of the bench.

Bit over-dramatic? JJ minutes and rotations have been fine in my opinion. He was making mistakes and he exhibited some negative body language when he was get frustrated. I didn't feel like we were doing Chriss or any of our young players last year by giving them minutes regardless of how they played and not disciplining them when they make mistakes.

Booker and TJ might have sat a bit longer after the bench got cold after the bench started hot. We should definitely start Bender. TBH I don't think there's a lineup with Bender that I don't like. He fits very well with whoever he plays with and he brings the same level of defense, floor spacing and smarts no matter who else is on the court.

Well I disagree. You can let players play through mistakes just as much as sitting them. The problem is IMO, is JJ doesn't play consistently enough in games to catch some rythmn, and the fact that the whole team stinks, says no one on this team is good enough to say they should be starting without a doubt over someone else outside of Booker.

Keep messing around with this rotation and JJ could easily end up like Okafor. Sixers killed him. There are developmental stages for athletes just like people and if you mess it up, there is no going back.

What we are doing now is why we lack the talent other teams have. Draft players and don't play them until they look like or act like they are 25 years old. Booker got his opportunity because of injuries and he had bad games and good games, but he stayed in the lineup and kept playing.

Chriss sucks right now and Bender is ok, but no way either of them are looking like foundational pieces at this moment, and based off of that and what I see with this rotation and our history, no im not being over dramatic, it is called reading the tea leaves.

JJ plays 24 minutes a game, 4th most behind Booker, Warren and Chandler. He'd average more if he didn't get into foul trouble once and only play 12. He's gotten in foul trouble (5 fouls) twice and fouled out once.

[lilfishi22]

We are talent killers. Look at Chriss compared to last year. Jackson is wasting away on the bench...spot minutes here and there, never able to get into a rhythm. Booker sits way to long after starting hot. For some reason the offense doesn't run thru him. The rotation is all over the place. Why not start Bender?

Booker
Jackson
TJ
Bender
Len

Daniels off of the bench.

Bit over-dramatic? JJ minutes and rotations have been fine in my opinion. He was making mistakes and he exhibited some negative body language when he was get frustrated. I didn't feel like we were doing Chriss or any of our young players last year by giving them minutes regardless of how they played and not disciplining them when they make mistakes.

Booker and TJ might have sat a bit longer after the bench got cold after the bench started hot. We should definitely start Bender. TBH I don't think there's a lineup with Bender that I don't like. He fits very well with whoever he plays with and he brings the same level of defense, floor spacing and smarts no matter who else is on the court.

Well I disagree. You can let players play through mistakes just as much as sitting them. The problem is IMO, is JJ doesn't play consistently enough in games to catch some rythmn, and the fact that the whole team stinks, says no one on this team is good enough to say they should be starting without a doubt over someone else outside of Booker.

Keep messing around with this rotation and JJ could easily end up like Okafor. Sixers killed him. There are developmental stages for athletes just like people and if you mess it up, there is no going back.

What we are doing now is why we lack the talent other teams have. Draft players and don't play them until they look like or act like they are 25 years old. Booker got his opportunity because of injuries and he had bad games and good games, but he stayed in the lineup and kept playing.

Chriss sucks right now and Bender is ok, but no way either of them are looking like foundational pieces at this moment, and based off of that and what I see with this rotation and our history, no im not being over dramatic, it is called reading the tea leaves.

bw and lonea already covered why JJ's minutes are fine where it is. He's getting the minutes he deserves and if it weren't for foul troubles and TJ playing well, he'd get even more minutes. JJ's played 10 games, averaging almost 24mpg and every game has been over 20mins except for one where he played 12mins because of foul trouble. Comparing him to Okafor is such an over exaggeration and you're being overly dramatic after 10 games. TEN GAMES. TJ played 15mpg in his rookie season and 23mpg in his second season. Did he end up like Okafor? Chriss sucks now despite getting consistent and undeserved minutes last season and he still hasn't improved this season. Bender on the other hand, got terribly inconsistent minutes last season and he's probably our MIP so far in this short season.

I'd rather you be over dramatic using facts than reading the tea leaves based on nothing.

[JMac1]

Funny, everyone missed my point about getting into a rythmn. It's not about TOTAL minutes, it's about how sporadic they are.

At the end of the day, Booker should average 32plus and JJ should be at 28.....IMO; and that should adjust acccording to his play, however, he gets more rope than others being where he was drafted and what he supposed to become.

But hey we are the Suns......we know how to develop players the right way. Keep up the good work guys.

[Years90Suns]

I am reading some of the comments here and it seems as if we had lost to any losers and we are 1-9 after three losses in a row.
Come on, guys, things have turned around a lot during the last 10 days.
The kids have played 4 games in six days and they have confronted the Spurs in San Antonio after beating the Nets and the Wizards on the road, then losing to the Knicks. Could anybody expect a 2-1 result after tis trip in the East?

I have some questions for those who know a little more about the L.

1. I thought the NBA had eliminated four games in six six days, but it seems that not for us against the Spurs...
2. What do you guys think of yesterday's officiating? The first quarter was just unfair...

[lilfishi22]

Funny, everyone missed my point about getting into a rythmn. It's not about TOTAL minutes, it's about how sporadic they are.

At the end of the day, Booker should average 32plus and JJ should be at 28.....IMO; and that should adjust acccording to his play, however, he gets more rope than others being where he was drafted and what he supposed to become.

But hey we are the Suns......we know how to develop players the right way. Keep up the good work guys.

Not one person mentioned TOTAL minutes. He's consistently getting 20+mpg . He gets more depending how well he plays and less when he doesn't but he's getting good minutes for a rookie. You know what sporadic minutes look like? Check out TJ's rookie season. Look at Bender's rookie season minutes and he was taken 4th as well.

You're too hung up on the minutes and what you think players *deserve* based on draft position while overlooking the quality of play of those players. JJ is making mistakes out there, shows some bad body language and gets into foul trouble but he's still getting 24mpg.

[JMac1]

Funny, everyone missed my point about getting into a rythmn. It's not about TOTAL minutes, it's about how sporadic they are.

At the end of the day, Booker should average 32plus and JJ should be at 28.....IMO; and that should adjust acccording to his play, however, he gets more rope than others being where he was drafted and what he supposed to become.

But hey we are the Suns......we know how to develop players the right way. Keep up the good work guys.

Not one person mentioned TOTAL minutes. He's consistently getting 20+mpg . He gets more depending how well he plays and less when he doesn't but he's getting good minutes for a rookie. You know what sporadic minutes look like? Check out TJ's rookie season. Look at Bender's rookie season minutes and he was taken 4th as well.

You're too hung up on the minutes and what you think players *deserve* based on draft position while overlooking the quality of play of those players. JJ is making mistakes out there, shows some bad body language and gets into foul trouble but he's still getting 24mpg.

At the game right now! He just "played" minutes without Booker on the court?!? Waste of time! Smh the entire time....that's stupid!!!

Edit: but you go ahead and tell me how he deserved what just happened.....

[lilfishi22]

Funny, everyone missed my point about getting into a rythmn. It's not about TOTAL minutes, it's about how sporadic they are.

At the end of the day, Booker should average 32plus and JJ should be at 28.....IMO; and that should adjust acccording to his play, however, he gets more rope than others being where he was drafted and what he supposed to become.

But hey we are the Suns......we know how to develop players the right way. Keep up the good work guys.

Not one person mentioned TOTAL minutes. He's consistently getting 20+mpg . He gets more depending how well he plays and less when he doesn't but he's getting good minutes for a rookie. You know what sporadic minutes look like? Check out TJ's rookie season. Look at Bender's rookie season minutes and he was taken 4th as well.

You're too hung up on the minutes and what you think players *deserve* based on draft position while overlooking the quality of play of those players. JJ is making mistakes out there, shows some bad body language and gets into foul trouble but he's still getting 24mpg.

At the game right now! He just "played" minutes without Booker on the court?!? Waste of time! Smh the entire time....that's stupid!!!

Edit: but you go ahead and tell me how he deserved what just happened.....

Huh? So what if he played without Booker. If he's good enough, he won't need Booker.

Yeah but you go ahead and tell me how JJ deserves 28mpg AND deserves to play with Booker every minutes he's on the court. Tell me we should bring in Bradley Stevens because JJ deserves to play with a great coach. Tell me JJ deserves to be ROY

You don't deserve ANYTHING unless you prove you can contribute.

[JMac1]

Not one person mentioned TOTAL minutes. He's consistently getting 20+mpg . He gets more depending how well he plays and less when he doesn't but he's getting good minutes for a rookie. You know what sporadic minutes look like? Check out TJ's rookie season. Look at Bender's rookie season minutes and he was taken 4th as well.

You're too hung up on the minutes and what you think players *deserve* based on draft position while overlooking the quality of play of those players. JJ is making mistakes out there, shows some bad body language and gets into foul trouble but he's still getting 24mpg.

At the game right now! He just "played" minutes without Booker on the court?!? Waste of time! Smh the entire time....that's stupid!!!

Edit: but you go ahead and tell me how he deserved what just happened.....

Huh? So what if he played without Booker. If he's good enough, he won't need Booker.

Yeah but you go ahead and tell me how JJ deserves 28mpg AND deserves to play with Booker every minutes he's on the court. Tell me we should bring in Bradley Stevens because JJ deserves to play with a great coach. Tell me JJ deserves to be ROY

You don't deserve ANYTHING unless you prove you can contribute.

Yea. He and Booker are the supposed future but don't play them together....makes perfect sense!! Thumbs up!!

[lilfishi22]

At the game right now! He just "played" minutes without Booker on the court?!? Waste of time! Smh the entire time....that's stupid!!!

Edit: but you go ahead and tell me how he deserved what just happened.....

Huh? So what if he played without Booker. If he's good enough, he won't need Booker.

Yeah but you go ahead and tell me how JJ deserves 28mpg AND deserves to play with Booker every minutes he's on the court. Tell me we should bring in Bradley Stevens because JJ deserves to play with a great coach. Tell me JJ deserves to be ROY

You don't deserve ANYTHING unless you prove you can contribute.

Yea. He and Booker are the supposed future but don't play them together....makes perfect sense!! Thumbs up!!

lol my dude, you are grasping at straws here trying to justify your point

First you tried to argue for more minutes for JJ. I showed you he was getting consistent minutes and compared his minutes to that of Bender and TJ. You've said nothing about that so now you're trying to argue that JJ needs to play with Booker because....."they are suppose to be the future?"

Just enjoy the game mate

[JMac1]

Huh? So what if he played without Booker. If he's good enough, he won't need Booker.

Yeah but you go ahead and tell me how JJ deserves 28mpg AND deserves to play with Booker every minutes he's on the court. Tell me we should bring in Bradley Stevens because JJ deserves to play with a great coach. Tell me JJ deserves to be ROY

You don't deserve ANYTHING unless you prove you can contribute.

Yea. He and Booker are the supposed future but don't play them together....makes perfect sense!! Thumbs up!!

lol my dude, you are grasping at straws here trying to justify your point

First you tried to argue for more minutes for JJ. I showed you he was getting consistent minutes and compared his minutes to that of Bender and TJ. You've said nothing about that so now you're trying to argue that JJ needs to play with Booker because....."they are suppose to be the future?"

Just enjoy the game mate

You have no idea what you are talking about....Have a nice day!

[lilfishi22]

Yea. He and Booker are the supposed future but don't play them together....makes perfect sense!! Thumbs up!!

lol my dude, you are grasping at straws here trying to justify your point

First you tried to argue for more minutes for JJ. I showed you he was getting consistent minutes and compared his minutes to that of Bender and TJ. You've said nothing about that so now you're trying to argue that JJ needs to play with Booker because....."they are suppose to be the future?"

Just enjoy the game mate

You have no idea what you are talking about....Have a nice day!

Clearly neither do you