Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3

[bwgood77]

.......And even though im still in McD's corner, anyone else find it a bit....ironic that we have been told for years that we will go after disgruntled stars, yet the only disgruntled players associated with us are our own? Like i really havent heard much about any players being disgruntled since Cousins like 2 years ago, except for our own guys. Almost comical.

Kyrie? Noel? Okafor? George? Butler? Porzingis? Melo? There are tons of disgruntled players every year.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Not sure about this Donovan Mitchell narrative he's shooting 36% FG with O-Rating of 90.

And he's older than Devin Booker.

[bwgood77]

Not sure about this Donovan Mitchell narrative, he's shooting 36% FG with O-Rating of 90.

Most rookies are shooting terrible. Especially the guards. I think all of the top pgs are shooting terrible...like near 30%...not sure about Ntilikina. The only true rookies playing really well and shooting really well on decent volume are Tatum, Collins, Kuzma and one or two others.

[bwgood77]

For the record, I'm not anti McD and even if McD turned down the Nuggets pick during/before the draft, I didn't mind, and it wouldn't surprise me if the Bucks pick is pretty close to that with the east looking much tougher than I thought and I'm not sure if Bledsoe necessarily makes them better. They already play well as a team (despite the 4-6 start) and the ball moves nicely.

[Hesh]

.......And even though im still in McD's corner, anyone else find it a bit....ironic that we have been told for years that we will go after disgruntled stars, yet the only disgruntled players associated with us are our own? Like i really havent heard much about any players being disgruntled since Cousins like 2 years ago, except for our own guys. Almost comical.

Isn't it also funny that, both Knight and Monroe both were drafted by pistons, both traded to bucks and then to us, and in each case we got "fleeced"

EDIT: oh wait I forgot monroe wasn't a trade. Still, the destination paths and ultimate results are comical. Let's just hope that we make something out of this so it doesn't end up to be the exact same situation as Knight

[WeekapaugGroove]

In non bledsoe talk I wonder if they kick the tires on a pg this year.

Elfrid Payton is likely available for realtively cheap. I'm skeptical of non shooters but he does some things well and I dont think he's a complete lost cause.

Theres some reports schroder could be available. If true the fact the hawks would trade him and not rebuild around him is a red flag in itself. But dude is tallented, young, and under contract for years. He'd cost a decent amount in a trade but if the suns were comfortable with him as a person I'd be down to consolidate some assets to make that move.

Maybe boston if they would be willing to move smart or rozier.

Thats about it that I can think of as far as possible pgs that could be available.

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[Hesh]

In non bledsoe talk I wonder if they kick the tires on a pg this year.

Elfrid Payton is likely available for realtively cheap. I'm skeptical of non shooters but he does some things well and I dont think he's a complete lost cause.

Theres some reports schroder could be available. If true the fact the hawks would trade him and not rebuild around him is a red flag in itself. But dude is tallented, young, and under contract for years. He'd cost a decent amount in a trade but if the suns were comfortable with him as a person I'd be down to consolidate some assets to make that move.

Maybe boston if they would be willing to move smart or rozier.

Thats about it that I can think of as far as possible pgs that could be available.

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are they really willing to move schroder? what would it take to make this happen for us

[Mulhollanddrive]

I never trust a team trading away a guy on rookie contract. Only 1 has made an All-Star since 2010 and that was James Harden. There's a reason why the likes of Noel, Knight, Waiters, Okafor make up that pool and there's usually a bad team waiting for them.

[Revived]

Only it's less because he makes so much we'd likely have to take back money to even get a pick. There are only maybe 2 teams that could trade for him without giving long term money back. We could maybe just trade him straight up for Okafor if we wanted and it would give Philly insurance on an Embiid injury this year or for when he sits. Though they also have Richaun Holmes.

That's not a bad idea if Philly has the cap space for it.

And then maybe trade Chandler somewhere else (for another expiring) and let Len/Okafor compete for the C spot.

According to this http://www.spotrac.com/nba/philadelphia-76ers/cap/ they have $15 million in cap space and Okafor makes almost $5 million so they could absorb the difference it seems. However, just because a team is under the cap doesn't mean they will want to pay out an extra $10 million (or 75%+ of a season of it) just to make a trade. I imagine the owner would prefer to save the money.

They can maybe trade Monroe, 2nd rd pick plus "cash considerations" for Okafor.

[WeekapaugGroove]

In non bledsoe talk I wonder if they kick the tires on a pg this year.

Elfrid Payton is likely available for realtively cheap. I'm skeptical of non shooters but he does some things well and I dont think he's a complete lost cause.

Theres some reports schroder could be available. If true the fact the hawks would trade him and not rebuild around him is a red flag in itself. But dude is tallented, young, and under contract for years. He'd cost a decent amount in a trade but if the suns were comfortable with him as a person I'd be down to consolidate some assets to make that move.

Maybe boston if they would be willing to move smart or rozier.

Thats about it that I can think of as far as possible pgs that could be available.

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are they really willing to move schroder? what would it take to make this happen for us

Zach lowe mentioned it and I've seen others say schroder isn't loved by some in the hawks regime. He's been playing well this year though so I could see them hold onto him.

It wouldnt be cheap probably something like monroes expiring, 2 years of chandler or dudley, plus picks like the miami pick and probaly more for schroder and having to eat plumlee or bazmores deal. Thats not a no brainer for the suns by any means and ties up a bunch of money for the next 2 summers.

The suns might just do nothing and let James and ulis ride this out and see which one can be your backup once you find your starter.

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[WeekapaugGroove]

If the suns wanted okafor why not just trade a second round pick for him like a week ago? The suns are under the cap so simply could have absorbed his contract with no players going back to philly.

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[Walt_Uoob]

Been brainstorming teams that would want the Monroe expiring and deals that might make sense. In some of these we'd take on salary in 19/20, which doesn't seem likely. And in all cases, they're just the starting points for negotiations. Picks or players could be added in either/both directions to make them work.
--NYK: Should desperately want out of Noah's deal and as a big-market team might be players for the really big FA names if they can clear the space. We've discussed them to death but if they do have designs on offering a max contract in either of the next two years, they should be motivated to include a real asset (Ntilikina, their own pick/s, Hernangomez, etc) to make that happen. Our asking price to take on Noah is probably higher than what they would realistically give up, but I'd try to keep talking to them in case something can be worked out.
--LAL: Even more than NYK they should be motivated to clear space for a superteam ASAP by unloading Deng. They have future picks, Kuzma, and Randle as sweeteners to do so. They might also want to avoid Randle's restricted free agency this summer.
--ORL: If they keep playing well they might decide it's time to offer future picks to get out of Biyombo's deal in order to improve through FA over the summer, while also bringing in Monroe as a rental for the rest of this year.
--POR: They have that silly Evan Turner deal and up to three guys going into RFA this summer, with one in particular (Nurkic) they'll actually want to pay. But they also have deep pockets, so I don't know how desperate they'd be to get out of Turner's deal.
--WAS: They could offer picks to get out of Mahinmi's deal. With Wall, Beal, and Porter they have a super expensive payroll. But for that reason they'd probably rather hold onto those picks so they can bring in guys on rookie scale contracts.

Any others? What about actual good players we could get with Monroe + other assets?

[Kerrsed]

I never trust a team trading away a guy on rookie contract. Only 1 has made an All-Star since 2010 and that was James Harden. There's a reason why the likes of Noel, Knight, Waiters, Okafor make up that pool and there's usually a bad team waiting for them.

Granted he wasnt an all-star for US, but we did trade for IT just as his rookie contract was expiring and Sac didnt want him anymore.

[Mulhollanddrive]

We signed Thomas in Free Agency which suggests the pool of players will be stronger in 6 months than it was this week.

[SideSwipe]

I never trust a team trading away a guy on rookie contract. Only 1 has made an All-Star since 2010 and that was James Harden. There's a reason why the likes of Noel, Knight, Waiters, Okafor make up that pool and there's usually a bad team waiting for them.

Granted he wasnt an all-star for US, but we did trade for IT just as his rookie contract was expiring and Sac didnt want him anymore.

Actually no, IT was an FA signing.

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2014/7/11/5892095/phoenix-suns-sign-isaiah-thomas-to-four-year-27-mil-offer-sheet

EDIT: Did you mean Knight?

[Saberestar]

So it looks like we do not want Monroe at all.

I am disappointed, because he is a better option at C than Chandler now and in the future.

Bender/Monroe would be a solid frontcourt coming from the bench, we need a third scorer.

Well...it is OK, never mind. We will see what we can get with his expiring contract.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Trade Monroe to Brooklyn, might move us up a spot.

Better than a buyout or pick 54 to draft a G-Leaguer.

[DRK]

I hope we can look towards FA and pick up a player like Marcus Smart, who would be a perfect player next to Booker. Great size, extremely versatile on defence and can hit the corner three at a good clip. (Everywhere else but the corner hes ordinary)

Smart would allow Booker to play the lead Guard, and provide good enough offence to be a second or third facilitator (behind Jackson/Bender)

Gone are the days where a pure PG is needed. In order to implement an offence which is based around ball movement, you need more than just the PG setting up the play... otherwise the PG turns into an over-dribbling ball stopper, which we had with Bled.

[Mulhollanddrive]

He's shooting 31% how low are our standards?

[Qwigglez]

So it looks like we do not want Monroe at all.

I am disappointed, because he is a better option at C than Chandler now and in the future.

Bender/Monroe would be a solid frontcourt coming from the bench, we need a third scorer.

Well...it is OK, never mind. We will see what we can get with his expiring contract.

Yes I don't understand this. Two years with the Bucks he was averaging 16, 9, and almost a steal and block per game. I know he wasn't a great defensive player but we desperately need another scorer, especially in the post. I actually think he may be a quality player for us in the short-term. I'd like to see if we could possibly trade Chandler to maybe the Cavs for Channing Frye? We could even throw in the Raptors 2nd round pick, though I'm not sure that moves the needle much. The benefit for us is to shed more salary.
Back to Monroe though, he's only 27 so if anything he fits our timeline better than Chandler, plus he kind of has that Warren mentality where he doesn't talk much and just plays the game. I think if used properly he could be our 3rd best scorer behind Booker and Warren. He doesn't seem to bad at the PnR, and can actually catch the damn ball.

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The only reason I see us potentially trying to buy him out is because he will take away minutes from our young guys, but that shouldn't be a problem if we trade Chandler. He could also provide us some wins, which again, is why we may be considering buying him out.