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The Ben Simmons Megathread

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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1121 » by Simmons25 » Thu Nov 9, 2017 6:17 am

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I have noticed that as well and it surprises me that I haven’t seen him do those awkward cross body wrong hand attempts that he was doing so much of before.


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It surprises me as well because I think he was actually very good at drawing fouls and hitting shots this way. He made quite a few and 1's this way in College.

I would have liked to have seen how it translated to the NBA first rather than the Sixers try and fix something that I didn't think was broken in the first place.


I think that this is a good example of something that he could get away with in college, but won’t be able to in the nba. He has to finish with the correct hand to be able to be an efficient finisher.


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Maybe/Maybe not. There are a lot of things Ben did in College that people said would never translate to the NBA and he seems to be proving them wrong.

We may never know now... but I was adamant it was an advantage and made him harder to defend because the natural momentum of defender in mid air takes them to his left hand when guarding him moving to the left I wish I could find the article/audio/video where Ben said the same thing). His ability to stop whilst driving and in mid air twist and switch to shoot with his right hand made it virtually impossible for defenders to block.

I'm more than happy to be proven wrong with footage but I can't remember a single time in High school or College where he took that cross body shot... where anyone get anywhere near blocking it.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1122 » by Dundalis » Thu Nov 9, 2017 10:25 am

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Ericb5 wrote:
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It surprises me as well because I think he was actually very good at drawing fouls and hitting shots this way. He made quite a few and 1's this way in College.

I would have liked to have seen how it translated to the NBA first rather than the Sixers try and fix something that I didn't think was broken in the first place.


I think that this is a good example of something that he could get away with in college, but won’t be able to in the nba. He has to finish with the correct hand to be able to be an efficient finisher.


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Maybe/Maybe not. There are a lot of things Ben did in College that people said would never translate to the NBA and he seems to be proving them wrong.

We may never know now... but I was adamant it was an advantage and made him harder to defend because the natural momentum of defender in mid air takes them to his left hand when guarding him moving to the left I wish I could find the article/audio/video where Ben said the same thing). His ability to stop whilst driving and in mid air twist and switch to shoot with his right hand made it virtually impossible for defenders to block.

I'm more than happy to be proven wrong with footage but I can't remember a single time in High school or College where he took that cross body shot... where anyone get anywhere near blocking it.

Before thinking about which hand to finish with, he needs to just get better at finishing fullstop, left or right hand. He needs to take the extra dribble more often and get closer to the net, rather than settling for more difficult floaters. Get right to the net like Giannis, and try and finish in traffic.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1123 » by TeamHigh » Thu Nov 9, 2017 10:45 am

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Ericb5 wrote:
I think that this is a good example of something that he could get away with in college, but won’t be able to in the nba. He has to finish with the correct hand to be able to be an efficient finisher.


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Maybe/Maybe not. There are a lot of things Ben did in College that people said would never translate to the NBA and he seems to be proving them wrong.

We may never know now... but I was adamant it was an advantage and made him harder to defend because the natural momentum of defender in mid air takes them to his left hand when guarding him moving to the left I wish I could find the article/audio/video where Ben said the same thing). His ability to stop whilst driving and in mid air twist and switch to shoot with his right hand made it virtually impossible for defenders to block.

I'm more than happy to be proven wrong with footage but I can't remember a single time in High school or College where he took that cross body shot... where anyone get anywhere near blocking it.

Before thinking about which hand to finish with, he needs to just get better at finishing fullstop, left or right hand. He needs to take the extra dribble more often and get closer to the net, rather than settling for more difficult floaters. Get right to the net like Giannis, and try and finish in traffic.


Asking people to play like Giannis is not usually a good idea. The entire reason the floater exists is to prevent dribbling it further into traffic and risking losing the ball or getting your shot blocked. The reason Giannis can get away with it is because he's got Stretch Armstrong arms, ridiculous stride length, and outrageous body control for all that length.

Simmons has been getting to the basket when the path is clear and pulling up when it's not. He should keep doing that and work on his finishing touch.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1124 » by 76ciology » Thu Nov 9, 2017 11:50 am

Do u guys remember my complains with his D? Well, his D against the Jazz was superb. Switching, deflections and rebounds. Wow. That is DPOY material. Thats how he should play if he is a lone ranger and is asked to takeover games because he still hasnt have that 30pt scoring ability yet.
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Post#1125 » by Unbreakable99 » Thu Nov 9, 2017 1:58 pm

I need Simmons to draw more fouls. He should be taking at a minimum 6 foul shots per night and many times get to the line 5 times. I don’t care if he misses his foul shots. Well I do care but he needs to draw more fouls. It will help the whole team if he does that.
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Post#1126 » by PhilasFinest » Thu Nov 9, 2017 2:09 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:I need Simmons to draw more fouls. He should be taking at a minimum 6 foul shots per night and many times get to the line 5 times. I don’t care if he misses his foul shots. Well I do care but he needs to draw more fouls. It will help the whole team if he does that.


It will happen. Once he takes his lumps and establishes himself as one of the better players in the league, he will start getting the "star" treatment of the officials and will live there.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1127 » by HotelVitale » Thu Nov 9, 2017 2:24 pm

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Ericb5 wrote:I think that this is a good example of something that he could get away with in college, but won’t be able to in the nba. He has to finish with the correct hand to be able to be an efficient finisher.

Maybe/Maybe not. There are a lot of things Ben did in College that people said would never translate to the NBA and he seems to be proving them wrong. ..I'm more than happy to be proven wrong with footage but I can't remember a single time in High school or College where he took that cross body shot... where anyone get anywhere near blocking it.


I actually think he didn't get away with it much in college, and that we're just remembering the highlights when made those. It's a difficult shot and I doubt he was particularly efficient with it, or at least I'd bet he was much less efficient than other types of shot around the rim.

It's much easier to defend that shot too--if Ben beats you enough that you're not right on his hip at the rim, then there's no reason he shouldn't be going up strong and at least getting fouled. That weird spinning thing gives a decent defender with basic discipline enough time to catch up and then get into your grill, which makes a touch shot (always difficult) that much harder. Might not get blocked but you're losing all the good momentum and extra space a good drive creates, which makes you're a) not taking layups (which are higher %) and b) not using speed at an angle to draw fouls (the way a guy like Lebron does when he goes straight for the rack).
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Post#1128 » by Unbreakable99 » Thu Nov 9, 2017 3:28 pm

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Post#1130 » by PhilasFinest » Thu Nov 9, 2017 8:45 pm

Negrodamus wrote:https://www.uninterrupted.com/watch/CiQZqsrP/kneading-dough-ben-simmons

Interesting video.


Agree with him and it certainly sheds a light on the whole NCAA/1-done thing a little further.

Kinda fitting right now when there are 2 NCAA basketball teams playing in CHINA. Im sure thats for a "learning" experience for the student athletes rather then a business venture for 2 big schools and College Basketball in general. :roll:
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Post#1131 » by cksdayoff » Thu Nov 9, 2017 9:02 pm

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Post#1132 » by LordCovington33 » Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:08 pm

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Post#1133 » by crazy_me_87 » Fri Nov 10, 2017 3:08 pm

Ben has really upped his FT% lately. Over his last 5 he shoots 65.5 % from the Line and in his last 3 Games he is 12/14 ( 85.7 %)
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Post#1134 » by HartfordWhalers » Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:18 pm

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Post#1135 » by ProcessDoctor » Fri Nov 10, 2017 5:17 pm

So, is Ben our best player?
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Post#1136 » by XtremeDunkz » Fri Nov 10, 2017 5:22 pm

sixers238 wrote:So, is Ben our best player?


Yes, but it is close. Both Ben and Joel have 1 glaring weakness to me. Ben needs to be more aggressive when it comes to looking for his own shot when driving to the paint. Joel needs to play more under control. Both will get there.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1137 » by ProcessDoctor » Fri Nov 10, 2017 5:59 pm

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sixers238 wrote:So, is Ben our best player?


Yes, but it is close. Both Ben and Joel have 1 glaring weakness to me. Ben needs to be more aggressive when it comes to looking for his own shot when driving to the paint. Joel needs to play more under control. Both will get there.


Those are both really good points. I am a little more worried about JoJo fixing his weaknesses because he's a bit more emotional with his game. His passionate demeanor is also one of his strengths, but is worrisome when he tries to play hero ball and makes dumb plays.

Their growth is definitely exciting and something to look forward to. I can't believe Ben is only 21.
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Post#1138 » by Ericb5 » Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:49 pm

sixers238 wrote:So, is Ben our best player?


No.

Embiid is more raw than Ben is, which is weird to say considering that Embiid is two years older, but Embiid is more skilled top to bottom, and his length and strength advantages are more difficult to deal with.

They both have very correctable weaknesses though. Embiid just needs more experience, and polish, and Simmons needs to work on his finishing and his jump shot.

Two years from now they could both be top 5 players in the league , but Embiid has more potential imo.


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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1139 » by Sixerscan » Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:58 pm

Simmons doesn't have the same impact Embiid does. He is probably more consistent possession to possession though which is a good balance to Embiid's roller coaster.
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Post#1140 » by XtremeDunkz » Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:03 pm

Ericb5 wrote:
sixers238 wrote:So, is Ben our best player?


No.

Embiid is more raw than Ben is, which is weird to say considering that Embiid is two years older, but Embiid is more skilled top to bottom, and his length and strength advantages are more difficult to deal with.

They both have very correctable weaknesses though. Embiid just needs more experience, and polish, and Simmons needs to work on his finishing and his jump shot.

Two years from now they could both be top 5 players in the league , but Embiid has more potential imo.


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I see a major problem with the way the league is playing out that could cause a problem for us. Embiid is not allowed to use his power in the post as an advantage. if you overpower someone it is an offensive foul almost every time. Will that change?
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