"A Tale of 2 Hardawayz"

[3toheadmelo]

btw, this article was originally for NBAMath.com I spoke with Adam and co. and first, they laughed at my premise of THJ proving his contract, didn't agree with the premise and didn't want to pay me a penny so I said f them I'm posting it on realgm for free.

[ctorres]

I dont see anything in THjr that says all-star


not at the guard position

I think its more likely we see Kanter making the backups


KP is a real possibility

Wade, LBJ, GreekFreak ... these guys are probably locks

I don't see all-star. I see a tier under that. Very good scorer that is a terror in transition. We'll be much better than what people think next year.

When THjr becomes an all-star, remember me

YOU WILL REMEMBER ME I SAY!

[Knicksfan1992]

A lot of players really start hitting their stride at 25 or 26 (Derozan, Curry, Lowry, etc. Come to.mind) it just rarely ever happens for the Knicks so i think people were and are still scared to think it's a possibility because of fan ptsd but all you have to do is watch Hardaway play and the skills he possesses to know this guy can not only live up to his contract but be a near max guy in this league. His improve ball handling and physical strength have allowed him to become a great pick and roll ball handler and a good defender. Best part was he put on muscle without sacrificing his gliding athleticism in transition. A lot of know it all NBA guys on Twitter are going to eat crow on this one bad.

[NYKnickerbocker]

never wanted him to leave, but it was probably the best thing for his career. has a lot of talent and skill. just needs to rain in that chuckaway. or at least not in key moments of games where we should run the clock lol.

Keep ballin timmy

[Mecca]

I'm a man of my word. I'm the type of person that likes to flex when I'm right about something, so it's only right that I have to be the one to eat my L's.

Ultimately, I was mildly disappointed by THJ's first season back in New York. During that 25 game stretch, he looked like exactly the player I was hoping we signed.

The dependent variable that I left out was that Hornasuck isn't Budenholzer. Jeff simply didn't use THJ correctly and didn't hold him accountable with his shot selection or defense.

Something I want to study in the off-season will have to do with his success rate when attacking the rim. In my eyes, he was a much stronger player when focusing on attacking. I don't believe it's the albatross contract that fans continue to make it seem like, but it still didn't meet expectations this season.

[Dr. Detfink]

As a UofM grad, I'm a fan of Tim Hardaway Jr but I won't drink the Kool-Aid. Why? Simple. The Atlanta Hawks did NOT use him as the guy they ran their offense through. During the 2016-7 season, the Atlanta Hawks started THJr 30 out of the 79 games he played. That's LESS than 50%. Keep in mind, he received an opportunity to start d/t injury. Even still, the Hawks NEVER made this guy any more than the 3rd option on the team.

This is why he puts up nice numbers on a Knicks team going nowhere.

[Sark]

We signed the shtty one.

[LBnySuaveJav23]

Too many wordz. Did not read

[Capn'O]

I'm a man of my word. I'm the type of person that likes to flex when I'm right about something, so it's only right that I have to be the one to eat my L's.

Ultimately, I was mildly disappointed by THJ's first season back in New York. During that 25 game stretch, he looked like exactly the player I was hoping we signed.

The dependent variable that I left out was that Hornasuck isn't Budenholzer. Jeff simply didn't use THJ correctly and didn't hold him accountable with his shot selection or defense.

Something I want to study in the off-season will have to do with his success rate when attacking the rim. In my eyes, he was a much stronger player when focusing on attacking. I don't believe it's the albatross contract that fans continue to make it seem like, but it still didn't meet expectations this season.

I never noticed the Michigan emblem before. It all makes sense now

I do think he's in a bad role here but we didn't have a lot of choice with how personnel shook down. I'm definitely in the camp that Burke/Frank is a better combo. Which drives me nuts about the signing but he still could be a good player as a 6th man playing some minutes at the SF. We just give up too much on defense with him and Burke together. Whatever role players we bring in next year for the bench should be recruited for that end of the ball first and foremost.

[Polk377]

Tim had his ups and downs this year but I don't think it was a bad year for him just some disappointing circumstances. He was showing his value early before the big injury derailed his and the Knicks season. The Knicks and KP really struggled when he went down for 20+ games and put them in a hole after a good start. When he came back it took him a while to shake the rust off and by then KP got injured. Tim was never really meant to anchor the offense. He is a good secondary scorer and would be a great #3 option if the Knicks can add talent to compliment KP and him in the next couple of years. He needs a coach that can keep him in line a little bit too which Jeff really hasn't done. I don't care about the contract since it was about average based off of similar player deals at the time. He will be a valuable part of this team for the future.

[springcadre]

Can’t blame guys like Noah and Tim, or even Phil, in my head I picture them sitting down with Knicks management and just being offered an agregious amount right off the bat with no negotiation. I wouldn’t throw a tomato at Tim for not living up to his contract because he was never qualified to make that much money to begin with. Also wouldn’t look at Fournier or Carroll deals as indicative of what a guy like that should receive on the market since those were made the previous summer when the cap spiked and the expectation was it would go up again, Tim was signed in an off season where teams were aware they needed to be conservative in order to correct their spending the previous offseason (see Noah). A bad signing but Hardaway isn’t a bad guy for taking the money, any G league guy would have.

[Nazrmohamed]

As a UofM grad, I'm a fan of Tim Hardaway Jr but I won't drink the Kool-Aid. Why? Simple. The Atlanta Hawks did NOT use him as the guy they ran their offense through. During the 2016-7 season, the Atlanta Hawks started THJr 30 out of the 79 games he played. That's LESS than 50%. Keep in mind, he received an opportunity to start d/t injury. Even still, the Hawks NEVER made this guy any more than the 3rd option on the team.

This is why he puts up nice numbers on a Knicks team going nowhere.

Well what else is he supposed to do? Now our job as an org is to build the type of tram where that happens naturally.

[WargamesX]

I'm a man of my word. I'm the type of person that likes to flex when I'm right about something, so it's only right that I have to be the one to eat my L's.

Ultimately, I was mildly disappointed by THJ's first season back in New York. During that 25 game stretch, he looked like exactly the player I was hoping we signed.

The dependent variable that I left out was that Hornasuck isn't Budenholzer. Jeff simply didn't use THJ correctly and didn't hold him accountable with his shot selection or defense.

Something I want to study in the off-season will have to do with his success rate when attacking the rim. In my eyes, he was a much stronger player when focusing on attacking. I don't believe it's the albatross contract that fans continue to make it seem like, but it still didn't meet expectations this season.

I feel like a lot of his struggles has been the fact he is a 2nd/3rd option 6th man and without KP he's being asked to do too much with too much of the opposing defense on him. I still think he's a great piece and as the team is built up his skillset will have an opportunity to shine.

[F N 11]

We got the the one who is not coached. I bet you Jeff tells him keep shooting even though they aren’t falling.

Dude is at his best attacking he hoop and when his feet is set. Get a real coach in here that can really coach him up.

[fatalogic]

We got the the one who is not coached. I bet you Jeff tells him keep shooting even though they aren’t falling.

Dude is at his best attacking he hoop and when his feet is set. Get a real coach in here that can really coach him up.

I don't see how the Knicks don't look at what was different in the hawks environment and try to replicate it here. Clearly he and everyone else on that team is held accountable for their actions. Here they are not. The only ones who get chewed out by Jeff are rookies and centers.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Hardaway can be better in a lesser role with better shot selection. Regardless of that, his inconsistency and long range shooting are the major things holding him back. This was still a bad signing that didn't make any sense at the time for what the Knicks should be doing.

Overall not the worst contract but still overpaid and very poor timing by the Knicks.

[Jonathan starks]

He’s actually a good defender, despite his reputation. His court vision is pretty good as well. He’s a good all round player. The one thing that has been holding him back is his jumper. He hasn’t had a consistent jumper since the first half of his rookie year. I’m still optimistic he can put it all together.

[Dr. Detfink]

Well what else is he supposed to do? Now our job as an org is to build the type of tram where that happens naturally.

Well for one, play some defense. Two, try passing the ball.

[seren]

Most guards in the league are capable enough to put the numbers Timmy puts given the opportunity. As long as we don't mind losing, Timmy can continue putting those stats. He could be a guard version of Shareef Abdurrahim. Only not as good obviously.

[JXL]

When a franchise pays a mediocre player like a top caliber role player, it changes the perception on how said player is viewed. THJ isn't and will not be anywhere an All-Star nor a top tier role player but being paid like one changes perception on people.

In short, he sucks.