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Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3

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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#1241 » by RaisingArizona » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:05 pm

LukasBMW wrote:Showcase Monroe and trade him period. He got easy points in the paint only after the game was long gone and Houston stopped playing defense. In the early stages of the game, he was awful. ESPECIALLY on the defensive end. I mean wow...he really has no place on the court in today's modern NBA on the defensive end. It was like Houston was playing us 5 on 4 with him out there.

I just wonder what we could actually get for him though. I don't see any stars getting disgruntled at the deadline (they all already have been traded in this crazy offseason). So, we can't use a load of draft picks plus his expiring to lure a star here. Very unlikely.

I think the only option is to pawn him off to a team that wants to make a run at a free agent this summer and needs cap space. But that means taking on a bad contract which could effect our own 2019 plans AND...what is cap space worth? Maybe a late 1st rounder?

I don't know what game you were watching. That is not what happened. And even so, it was his FIRST game with the team, he's coming back from injury and our guards were throwing the ball at this feet. Thought he played well overall.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#1242 » by RaisingArizona » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:07 pm

Why wouldn't Monroe sign here? Why do some talking points get made and then stick for no reason? He isn't going to command a crazy amount of money.
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Post#1243 » by Saberestar » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:19 pm

ginobiliflops wrote:Why wouldn't Monroe sign here? Why do some talking points get made and then stick for no reason? He isn't going to command a crazy amount of money.

Yeah. Why he can not be part of our team in the future?

Is Len our future?
Is Chandler our future?

Even if we get a good rookie at C next season he is gonna need time to develop.

I would prefer Monroe/Rookie/Williams as our Cs next season.
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Post#1244 » by AtheJ415 » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:20 pm

ginobiliflops wrote:Why wouldn't Monroe sign here? Why do some talking points get made and then stick for no reason? He isn't going to command a crazy amount of money.



He might not command a crazy amount, but we need to be very selective of even reasonable offers that would hinder our chance to max out a truly max-worthy guy. We cannot afford to pay Monroe 8-10 mil a year imo for that reason.
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Post#1245 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:21 pm

Can't wait for everyone to turn on Monroe as it becomes painfully clear how terrible his interior D is.
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Post#1246 » by Wilber85 » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:54 pm

TBH we won't get any big free agents here. The most success we will have is through the draft, and to hope we draft the next Durant, LBJ, Curry, etc.

This rebuild isn't going to happen overnight. I would say 2-3 more seasons we will still be losing and rebuilding.

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Post#1247 » by Damkac » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:54 pm

Why not try Booker as pg? Suns aren't winning anyway so let's see how he deals with that role. Daniels at sg would give him better spacing than Ulis or James.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#1248 » by LukasBMW » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:44 pm

Regarding centers we have:

Monroe - likely gone. No interior D. Doesn't fit the timeline. Best to trade him for an asset if possible.

Tyson - Still plays well and is our best center (like it or not). Still is valuable as a leader and teacher. He and Dudley become very valuable next year (summer of 2019) when they expire and leave us cap room OR as expiring contract trade bait (at the 2018-2019 trade deadline). May as well keep him around one more year.

Sauce - On a very friendly contract. Was an excellent backup center and great locker-room guy. We need to keep him as our 2nd or 3rd string center.

Len - Likely gone, but not a bad option to keep as a 2nd or 3rd stringer with Sauce IF we can resign him for a cheap deal. Len will never be a starting center in this league, but he could still be a top 10 backup center.

So we already need to make a decision with what we currently have AND let's not forget...

Lottery pick - Our lottery pick will very likely be used on a center in this upcoming draft rich in centers.

Okafor - We may have a chance to sign him this off season to a friendly deal.

Time to start making decisions with next year in mind.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#1249 » by LukasBMW » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:49 pm

One last thing on the center rotation. Ideally I'd like to see next year:

Starting center: Our top lottery pick
Backup Center: Okafor - Make him battle our top pick for the starting role. Okafor replaces Len.
3rd strong center: Sauce!!!!!!

Tyson coaches from the bench as he finishes out his golden parachute contract and expires with Dudley leaving us mega cap room in 2019. Then we fill in the pieces to address our needs.
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Post#1250 » by Stark » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:57 pm

Clippers are not doing great, they may figure it out in the future but if they continue to suck, do you think they will be interested about trading Griffin. Can we trade Monroe when Griffin is eligible to trade ? We can give them capspace plus Chriss and Mia pick maybe. What do you think about this idea guys? In summer Griffin said that he likes Phoenix, he might want to play here too.
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Post#1251 » by Saberestar » Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:22 pm

Stark wrote:Clippers are not doing great, they may figure it out in the future but if they continue to suck, do you think they will be interested about trading Griffin. Can we trade Monroe when Griffin is eligible to trade ? We can give them capspace plus Chriss and Mia pick maybe. What do you think about this idea guys? In summer Griffin said that he likes Phoenix, he might want to play here too.

No way they trade Blake.

They have injuries right now. Not a big deal.
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Post#1252 » by sunskerr » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:05 pm

Stark wrote:Clippers are not doing great, they may figure it out in the future but if they continue to suck, do you think they will be interested about trading Griffin. Can we trade Monroe when Griffin is eligible to trade ? We can give them capspace plus Chriss and Mia pick maybe. What do you think about this idea guys? In summer Griffin said that he likes Phoenix, he might want to play here too.


Would rather trade for patrick beverley.
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Post#1253 » by BobbieL » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:07 pm

sunskerr wrote:
Stark wrote:Clippers are not doing great, they may figure it out in the future but if they continue to suck, do you think they will be interested about trading Griffin. Can we trade Monroe when Griffin is eligible to trade ? We can give them capspace plus Chriss and Mia pick maybe. What do you think about this idea guys? In summer Griffin said that he likes Phoenix, he might want to play here too.


Would rather trade for patrick beverley.


I wouldn't have hated Beverley, Johnson and Dekker for Bledsoe
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Post#1254 » by SideSwipe » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:17 pm

If there is a good deal there for Monroe take it, if not, based on his first performance he looks like he could fit in better than I had anticipated. He seems like he lost weight and was able to keep up with the running a little better. His D may still be a question, but you don't have to be that good on D to raise the bar in PHX.
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Post#1255 » by BobbieL » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:50 pm

SideSwipe wrote:If there is a good deal there for Monroe take it, if not, based on his first performance he looks like he could fit in better than I had anticipated. He seems like he lost weight and was able to keep up with the running a little better. His D may still be a question, but you don't have to be that good on D to raise the bar in PHX.


one year deal in 2018 - that could be fine -- suns will have cap space next year with moving Bledsoe a year early

I would prefer they use his contract wisely and trade him OR let him play the entire year to see what he brings.

buying him just saves sarver money
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Post#1256 » by jcsunsfan » Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:41 am

cosmofizzo wrote:Can't wait for everyone to turn on Monroe as it becomes painfully clear how terrible his interior D is.


Um. We've been watching Tyson Chandler and Alex Len. We are used to it. He CAN catch the ball and put it in the hole with consistency. That's refreshing.
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Post#1257 » by NavLDO » Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:51 am

MathiasPW wrote:Classy. And I think they are leaking this on purpose as they will be competing with the Suns as a FA destination in the upcoming years (hopefully)


I could give a rat's patooty how 'classy' Connelly may 'look' to the public; what I care about are results. I don't say this to argue with you; if you appreciate this, then that's perfectly reasonable, and I too, on some level I guess, would like McD to be more 'liked' by the players. But McD has been dealt a crappy hand; one that he's finally been able to 'discard' from. He's made the most of having players that were either Klutch clients, or were just flat out 'whiny'. He's also had to deal with the WORST owner in the NBA. Think about that for a moment and let that sink in, because it's absolutely a fact. And while I'm not who who particularly cares for the phrase "and it's not even close," in this respect, I think it fits.

McD has done an admirable job drafting where we have, and making the most out of trades that we shouldn't have been able to; however, he's had his misses as well, the biggest of which being his most recent if we do nothing more than buy out Monroe. I'd say the IT trade, on paper wasn't that terrible, but was definitely lopsided. In reality, however, it was a Knight-mare (sorry, couldn't resist).

But I would argue McD's worst trades were trades that were 'forced' upon him by 'whiny, cry-baby' players.

Dragic had her panties in a wad because he didn't get to play PG exclusively...at least that's what he says. But guarantee you, me...had he continued progressing (his stats, anyway) as they did the year prior, he wouldn't have said a peep. He had no issue the year prior sharing with Bledsoe, but that year? Forget it.

Fast forward to this year. Bledsoe/the Suns is/are not having a great a start, and, well, here comes the whining again; imagine that.

Point is, all the whining and crying from players, during the season, and McD is supposed to find miracle trades? Of course, McD haters will point to the fact that had he found trade partners sooner, when the players WANTED to be traded, this never would've happened. Really, though? How about the players, play to they're best ability, regardless, and be team players and HELP McD to trade them?

So, for all the griping about McD, you'd think fans would be a bit more 'negative' toward the players, who literally turned their backs on the team/fans, as opposed to the GM, who's trying his best to make his team better? Of course he's made mistakes, but those mistakes were often prompted by whiny players.
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Post#1258 » by thamadkant » Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:03 am

LukasBMW wrote:Showcase Monroe and trade him period. He got easy points in the paint only after the game was long gone and Houston stopped playing defense. In the early stages of the game, he was awful. ESPECIALLY on the defensive end. I mean wow...he really has no place on the court in today's modern NBA on the defensive end. It was like Houston was playing us 5 on 4 with him out there.

I just wonder what we could actually get for him though. I don't see any stars getting disgruntled at the deadline (they all already have been traded in this crazy offseason). So, we can't use a load of draft picks plus his expiring to lure a star here. Very unlikely.

I think the only option is to pawn him off to a team that wants to make a run at a free agent this summer and needs cap space. But that means taking on a bad contract which could effect our own 2019 plans AND...what is cap space worth? Maybe a late 1st rounder?



huh?


Monroe drew Capela inside almost the entire time he was in. Like Capela had to stick on him, which prevented Capela roaming or altering more shots in the paint.

And when Monroe went one on one, he drove past Capela and even Nene, and scored on them. Plus he converted well when he got the ball down low as opposed to Len who is/was awful everytime he tries to put back a missed shot.
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Post#1259 » by thamadkant » Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:09 am

People need to realize a capable offensive center will need attention from the other team's defense. With someone like Okafor or Monroe, Suns can drop the ball inside when there is no offense outside... this is a good thing. Unlike Len and his stone hands and big-stiff style offense.

Defensively... team defense is more important these days as the offense comes from perimeter and ball movement around the arc.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3 

Post#1260 » by GetYourPHX » Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:49 am

ginobiliflops wrote:
LukasBMW wrote:Showcase Monroe and trade him period. He got easy points in the paint only after the game was long gone and Houston stopped playing defense. In the early stages of the game, he was awful. ESPECIALLY on the defensive end. I mean wow...he really has no place on the court in today's modern NBA on the defensive end. It was like Houston was playing us 5 on 4 with him out there.

I just wonder what we could actually get for him though. I don't see any stars getting disgruntled at the deadline (they all already have been traded in this crazy offseason). So, we can't use a load of draft picks plus his expiring to lure a star here. Very unlikely.

I think the only option is to pawn him off to a team that wants to make a run at a free agent this summer and needs cap space. But that means taking on a bad contract which could effect our own 2019 plans AND...what is cap space worth? Maybe a late 1st rounder?

I don't know what game you were watching. That is not what happened. And even so, it was his FIRST game with the team, he's coming back from injury and our guards were throwing the ball at this feet. Thought he played well overall.


I swear to god most posters on this board don't actually watch this team.

Monroe looked light years better than any big we've had since Marcin Gortat.

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