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Homerclease wrote:Captain_Caveman wrote:GoGreen wrote:
It seems only with Marcus where his key plays somehow matter more than other players key plays. I don't get it. He is the most polarizing Celtic in years.
If the season ended today, he is probably the DPOY.
Anyone care to refute that?
OK THEN!
I’ll dispute that. I’d give it to Horford over Smart if the season ends today
Captain_Caveman wrote:Homerclease wrote:Captain_Caveman wrote:
If the season ended today, he is probably the DPOY.
Anyone care to refute that?
OK THEN!
I’ll dispute that. I’d give it to Horford over Smart if the season ends today
It's close either way.
But Horford also got beaten like three times by JJ Barea in crunch time last night.
Kolkmania wrote:VeryMuchWoke wrote:Captain_Caveman wrote:
If the season ended today, he is probably the DPOY.
Anyone care to refute that?
OK THEN!
I'm a big-time Marcus fan and the **** he gets on this board is ridiculous, but I'm not sure it's as cut and dry as you claim. According to On/Off numbers he makes our defense 10.3 points better per 100 possessions. Jaylen makes us 11.3 points better per 100 possessions. The emergence of Jaylen as a defensive wonder and the loss of IT have a lot to do with our defensive prowess this year.
As far as Marcus Smart taking "too many shots", y'all need to remember that the defense often gets to determine who takes the shot, especially when your offense isn't executing well. That has a lot to do with all the attempts Marcus takes. Also, some of our other players are too passive and Smart is forced to take on more shot-creation than is ideal. Too many guys pitch him the ball with 5 seconds on the shot clock.
I agree it's not as simple as looking at the shot attempts. At times you want to take the shot, because you want to show you're confident enough to make them to make the defense guard you at the line. However the amount off shots he takes off the dribble is just inexcusable, especially when they're early in the clock.
Smart assisted 3's: .667 of total 3PA
Irving assisted 3's: .676 of total 3PA
An underexposed thing with Smart is his ridiculously poor shooting numbers at the rim, last year 48.8% at the rim and this year down to 39.3%. That's probably the key for Smart, try to find a way to be more efficient at the rim and increase his FTr.
Smart is good, really good, but would be even better if the USG% reduces and therefore the number of crazy shots he takes. I think that's the main point.
Homerclease wrote:Captain_Caveman wrote:Homerclease wrote:I’ll dispute that. I’d give it to Horford over Smart if the season ends today
It's close either way.
But Horford also got beaten like three times by JJ Barea in crunch time last night.
Smart was better than Horford on defense last night no question about it. I’d still give it to Horford on the season after his performance against that murderers row of talent including Simmons, Giannis and Zinger in which he shut them all down.
I agree with nearly everything you’re saying about Smart btw, he’s absolutely a net positive at this point despite his shooting and his knack for big plays in the crunch can’t be denied but at the same time when you talk about how our offense is ranked so poor and might become a factor as the season goes on, you can’t ignore Smarts struggles from the field either. Unless they put more on Tatum’s plate with the second unit, Smart is the guy and our offense bogs down to nothing when he and Roziers shots aren’t falling.
They have the DPE and a roster slot to bring in another guy, I’d expect it sometime around the all star break tbh. Smart isn’t going anywhere, and if he does we’re a worse team for it
Captain_Caveman wrote:Homerclease wrote:Captain_Caveman wrote:
It's close either way.
But Horford also got beaten like three times by JJ Barea in crunch time last night.
Smart was better than Horford on defense last night no question about it. I’d still give it to Horford on the season after his performance against that murderers row of talent including Simmons, Giannis and Zinger in which he shut them all down.
I agree with nearly everything you’re saying about Smart btw, he’s absolutely a net positive at this point despite his shooting and his knack for big plays in the crunch can’t be denied but at the same time when you talk about how our offense is ranked so poor and might become a factor as the season goes on, you can’t ignore Smarts struggles from the field either. Unless they put more on Tatum’s plate with the second unit, Smart is the guy and our offense bogs down to nothing when he and Roziers shots aren’t falling.
They have the DPE and a roster slot to bring in another guy, I’d expect it sometime around the all star break tbh. Smart isn’t going anywhere, and if he does we’re a worse team for it
Right on, but it's really close either way, and DPOY would be a vote between those two guys right now.
Jakeopp wrote:ViperGTS wrote:31to6 wrote:
Look you can keep saying Simmons and Giannis aren't good but no one's really going to bother talking to you about it.
Didn’t say they weren’t good. You said star. See above? I said good.
Keep trying.
Does that mean Giannis isn't a "star"? Rudy Gobert? John Wall?
Who put you in charge of these definitions?
Captain_Caveman wrote:Homerclease wrote:Captain_Caveman wrote:
It's close either way.
But Horford also got beaten like three times by JJ Barea in crunch time last night.
Smart was better than Horford on defense last night no question about it. I’d still give it to Horford on the season after his performance against that murderers row of talent including Simmons, Giannis and Zinger in which he shut them all down.
I agree with nearly everything you’re saying about Smart btw, he’s absolutely a net positive at this point despite his shooting and his knack for big plays in the crunch can’t be denied but at the same time when you talk about how our offense is ranked so poor and might become a factor as the season goes on, you can’t ignore Smarts struggles from the field either. Unless they put more on Tatum’s plate with the second unit, Smart is the guy and our offense bogs down to nothing when he and Roziers shots aren’t falling.
They have the DPE and a roster slot to bring in another guy, I’d expect it sometime around the all star break tbh. Smart isn’t going anywhere, and if he does we’re a worse team for it
Right on, but it's really close either way, and DPOY would be a vote between those two guys right now.
mzepol wrote:FlatearthZorro wrote:mzepol wrote:
Wasn't Bertrob a Celtics fan in the past? I seem to recall him being here during the KG era. Or am I thinking about a different poster?
Same dude, he's a Pels fans now and actually talking the Celtics down. Weird dude.
Yeah, definitely weird. Wonder what happened to make him go Moose on us.
Infinite Llamas wrote:mzepol wrote:FlatearthZorro wrote:
Same dude, he's a Pels fans now and actually talking the Celtics down. Weird dude.
Yeah, definitely weird. Wonder what happened to make him go Moose on us.
Dude is a Rondo stan iirc
VeryMuchWoke wrote:Captain_Caveman wrote:Homerclease wrote:Smart was better than Horford on defense last night no question about it. I’d still give it to Horford on the season after his performance against that murderers row of talent including Simmons, Giannis and Zinger in which he shut them all down.
I agree with nearly everything you’re saying about Smart btw, he’s absolutely a net positive at this point despite his shooting and his knack for big plays in the crunch can’t be denied but at the same time when you talk about how our offense is ranked so poor and might become a factor as the season goes on, you can’t ignore Smarts struggles from the field either. Unless they put more on Tatum’s plate with the second unit, Smart is the guy and our offense bogs down to nothing when he and Roziers shots aren’t falling.
They have the DPE and a roster slot to bring in another guy, I’d expect it sometime around the all star break tbh. Smart isn’t going anywhere, and if he does we’re a worse team for it
Right on, but it's really close either way, and DPOY would be a vote between those two guys right now.
You're quickly becoming Jaylen hater in my mind. What he's doing on defense is incredible.
Captain_Caveman wrote:VeryMuchWoke wrote:Captain_Caveman wrote:
Right on, but it's really close either way, and DPOY would be a vote between those two guys right now.
You're quickly becoming Jaylen hater in my mind. What he's doing on defense is incredible.
Kinda precious to take a compliment towards Smart's defense as a slight against Jaylen.
VeryMuchWoke wrote:Captain_Caveman wrote:VeryMuchWoke wrote:
You're quickly becoming Jaylen hater in my mind. What he's doing on defense is incredible.
Kinda precious to take a compliment towards Smart's defense as a slight against Jaylen.
Jaylen is my binky so you're probably in the right, but I think Jaylen is right there with Smart in terms of defensive impact and both are ahead of Horford. I just have noticed you like to harp on his shortcomings, but never his strengths, that is all. Nothing you say about him is unfair, but your emphasis is odd.
VeryMuchWoke wrote:Captain_Caveman wrote:VeryMuchWoke wrote:
You're quickly becoming Jaylen hater in my mind. What he's doing on defense is incredible.
Kinda precious to take a compliment towards Smart's defense as a slight against Jaylen.
Jaylen is my binky so you're probably in the right, but I think Jaylen is right there with Smart in terms of defensive impact and both are ahead of Horford. I just have noticed you like to harp on his shortcomings, but never his strengths, that is all. Nothing you say about him is unfair, but your emphasis is odd.
Writebloc wrote:VeryMuchWoke wrote:Captain_Caveman wrote:
Kinda precious to take a compliment towards Smart's defense as a slight against Jaylen.
Jaylen is my binky so you're probably in the right, but I think Jaylen is right there with Smart in terms of defensive impact and both are ahead of Horford. I just have noticed you like to harp on his shortcomings, but never his strengths, that is all. Nothing you say about him is unfair, but your emphasis is odd.
Generally that's Cave's MO (no judgement,) he heralds a guy not championed and bashes a guy getting too much praise. I'm with him regarding Smart, but I don't get the Brown shade? It's like one day Cave decided the scale was going too far one way and threw his weight on the other balance. Can't take it personally. I think it is a bit irrational? Clearly Jaylen has improved both defensively, in his rebounding, and the consistency of his outside shot. I understand Brown has a ways to go to improve his handle and his ability to distribute the ball, but to begrudge Brown's growth is odd. I guess everyone needs someone to tie to the whipping post.
Captain_Caveman wrote:Writebloc wrote:VeryMuchWoke wrote:
Jaylen is my binky so you're probably in the right, but I think Jaylen is right there with Smart in terms of defensive impact and both are ahead of Horford. I just have noticed you like to harp on his shortcomings, but never his strengths, that is all. Nothing you say about him is unfair, but your emphasis is odd.
Generally that's Cave's MO (no judgement,) he heralds a guy not championed and bashes a guy getting too much praise. I'm with him regarding Smart, but I don't get the Brown shade? It's like one day Cave decided the scale was going too far one way and threw his weight on the other balance. Can't take it personally. I think it is a bit irrational? Clearly Jaylen has improved both defensively, in his rebounding, and the consistency of his outside shot. I understand Brown has a ways to go to improve his handle and his ability to distribute the ball, but to begrudge Brown's growth is odd. I guess everyone needs someone to tie to the whipping post.
My MO is telling the truth and being one of the most accurate mother **** on this board, if not the most accurate. Don't have binkies, don't have scapegoats, don't unduly skew my opinions to statistical production. Yeah, that will be stand apart when people have a guy rated too high or too low, as much of this place has with Jaylen and Smart, respectively.
Jaylen is shaping up as a bigger Avery. Don't get mad at me because he can't pass.
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Captain_Caveman wrote:Writebloc wrote:VeryMuchWoke wrote:
Jaylen is my binky so you're probably in the right, but I think Jaylen is right there with Smart in terms of defensive impact and both are ahead of Horford. I just have noticed you like to harp on his shortcomings, but never his strengths, that is all. Nothing you say about him is unfair, but your emphasis is odd.
Generally that's Cave's MO (no judgement,) he heralds a guy not championed and bashes a guy getting too much praise. I'm with him regarding Smart, but I don't get the Brown shade? It's like one day Cave decided the scale was going too far one way and threw his weight on the other balance. Can't take it personally. I think it is a bit irrational? Clearly Jaylen has improved both defensively, in his rebounding, and the consistency of his outside shot. I understand Brown has a ways to go to improve his handle and his ability to distribute the ball, but to begrudge Brown's growth is odd. I guess everyone needs someone to tie to the whipping post.
My MO is telling the truth and being one of the most accurate mother **** on this board, if not the most accurate. Don't have binkies, don't have scapegoats, don't unduly skew my opinions to statistical production. Yeah, that will be stand apart when people have a guy rated too high or too low, as much of this place has with Jaylen and Smart, respectively.
Jaylen is shaping up as a bigger Avery. Don't get mad at me because he can't pass.
Captain_Caveman wrote:Writebloc wrote:VeryMuchWoke wrote:
Jaylen is my binky so you're probably in the right, but I think Jaylen is right there with Smart in terms of defensive impact and both are ahead of Horford. I just have noticed you like to harp on his shortcomings, but never his strengths, that is all. Nothing you say about him is unfair, but your emphasis is odd.
Generally that's Cave's MO (no judgement,) he heralds a guy not championed and bashes a guy getting too much praise. I'm with him regarding Smart, but I don't get the Brown shade? It's like one day Cave decided the scale was going too far one way and threw his weight on the other balance. Can't take it personally. I think it is a bit irrational? Clearly Jaylen has improved both defensively, in his rebounding, and the consistency of his outside shot. I understand Brown has a ways to go to improve his handle and his ability to distribute the ball, but to begrudge Brown's growth is odd. I guess everyone needs someone to tie to the whipping post.
My MO is telling the truth and being one of the most accurate mother **** on this board, if not the most accurate. Don't have binkies, don't have scapegoats, don't unduly skew my opinions to statistical production. Yeah, that will be stand apart when people have a guy rated too high or too low, as much of this place has with Jaylen and Smart, respectively.
Jaylen is shaping up as a bigger Avery. Don't get mad at me because he can't pass.
Writebloc wrote:Captain_Caveman wrote:Writebloc wrote:
Generally that's Cave's MO (no judgement,) he heralds a guy not championed and bashes a guy getting too much praise. I'm with him regarding Smart, but I don't get the Brown shade? It's like one day Cave decided the scale was going too far one way and threw his weight on the other balance. Can't take it personally. I think it is a bit irrational? Clearly Jaylen has improved both defensively, in his rebounding, and the consistency of his outside shot. I understand Brown has a ways to go to improve his handle and his ability to distribute the ball, but to begrudge Brown's growth is odd. I guess everyone needs someone to tie to the whipping post.
My MO is telling the truth and being one of the most accurate mother **** on this board, if not the most accurate. Don't have binkies, don't have scapegoats, don't unduly skew my opinions to statistical production. Yeah, that will be stand apart when people have a guy rated too high or too low, as much of this place has with Jaylen and Smart, respectively.
Jaylen is shaping up as a bigger Avery. Don't get mad at me because he can't pass.
Nobody is mad big fella. Just pointing out tendencies. You be you, man. If you are calling Jaylen a bigger Avery you must like him a bunch because according to you Avery was the best player on the team last year. Jaylen already has a better handle than Avery ever did so that's looking good, plus his outside shot is more consistent than Avery's early on.
