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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1401 » by Ericb5 » Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:41 pm

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He's young and the season is still young. We should rest him at some point.

To some extent, Ben and Biid needs a lot of experience to make up for lost time

Im actually more concerned with Biid. There was one point that I have him being limited during reg season and let him play major mins at playoffs.


From a physical standpoint Embiid was impressive tonight because he was clearly under the weather and sluggish, but he powered through it. I think his fitness is really rounding into form now.


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I actually am concerned with him playing not 100%. If you play tired or weak energy, sometimes things like landing and positioning gets compromised.

I thought that chase down attempt on Simmons was a close example. It was a tired guy instinctly trying to make the right play. Sometimes when you're weak or tired, you move unconsciously. A little off in timing and that can translate into an injury or suspension.

Its like doing deadlifts when you are sick. You may be able to lift lighter weights but your form can be compromised that can lead into injuries. I dont know if it makes sense to u

Thats why I was saying how I wouldnt want any alley oop plays for Biid against Magic.


I agree that it is a risk to play when sick, but it was still impressive.

Hopefully he spends all day today in bed and is feeling better tomorrow.


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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1402 » by gdog2004 » Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:47 pm

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Likely the thought process


Elbow bursitis with treatment usually goes away within 1 to 2 weeks. Thinking Ben should be back in another week or so.


Not if you get a cortisone injection which is what you usually do for bursitis. Then pain usually goes away in 1-2 days.

I would hope they would be careful with cortisone. That only masks the problem, doesn't cure it.
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Post#1403 » by MNSixerFan » Sun Nov 26, 2017 6:51 pm

Any word if he's playing tomorrow? I can't imagine he'd want to miss the Cleveland game.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1404 » by Sixerscan » Sun Nov 26, 2017 7:52 pm

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Arsenal wrote:We don't need him tonight, we'll win without him just fine. Need him back for Cleveland though.


Likely the thought process


Elbow bursitis with treatment usually goes away within 1 to 2 weeks. Thinking Ben should be back in another week or so.


They said he'd be reevaluated today. Doesn't seem like it's that sort of injury.
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Post#1405 » by CoreyGallagher » Sun Nov 26, 2017 7:53 pm

Pompey just said that they’re going to give an update tomorrow morning. Probably going to see how it feels then.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1407 » by Simmons25 » Mon Nov 27, 2017 1:28 am

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Elbow bursitis with treatment usually goes away within 1 to 2 weeks. Thinking Ben should be back in another week or so.


Not if you get a cortisone injection which is what you usually do for bursitis. Then pain usually goes away in 1-2 days.

I would hope they would be careful with cortisone. That only masks the problem, doesn't cure it.


Hmmm I don't believe that is the case. Cortisone injections are not for pain relief they are to reduce inflammation quickly.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1408 » by KrazySixersD » Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:33 am

ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

no update and waiting for tomorrow??

why does this sound eerily familiar? like I've been here before?

Not liking this AT ALL
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1409 » by PhilasFinest » Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:31 pm

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Not if you get a cortisone injection which is what you usually do for bursitis. Then pain usually goes away in 1-2 days.

I would hope they would be careful with cortisone. That only masks the problem, doesn't cure it.


Hmmm I don't believe that is the case. Cortisone injections are not for pain relief they are to reduce inflammation quickly.


If you have heavy inflammation somewhere, there is likely pain and/or discomfort there. The injection helps reduce inflammation, which hopefully reduces the pain/discomfort.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1413 » by Unbreakable99 » Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:34 am

I think Ben needs to learn from TJ in passing. What I mean by that is it seems TJ gets more assists per minute than Ben. I know people will say when Ben passes it to others they miss. That’s true. I get that but I’m more talking about more like TJ does it. Am I alone in this? And I’m not knocking Ben. He gets everyone involved. He passes well. I’m just looking for improvement that’s all.
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Post#1414 » by Simmons25 » Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:03 am

I agree that TJ keeps the ball moving more but that is due to both strengths and inefficiencies.

TJ is a dribble continually being on the move and looking to pass first and if I really really really need to shoot it I will.
Ben is a score first and if I can't get a shot or draw attention I will kick it out to someone open.

Each is playing to their own strengths. I'll admit before the season started I was a bit concerned that Ben's style which is more ISO orientated may stop the decent ball movement... but then again it plays more to Embiid's strength which is even more ISO orientated in the post stuff. The main plan seems to be to Ben playing a 2 man game with Joel where he either posts up Joel or Joel sets screens for Ben to drive to the basket and that seems to be a directive from coaching staff. What's better for the team? I'm actually not sure yet. It is a pretty effective method the way it's going now.

I think over time Ben will probably learn that quick ball movement as soon as he gets it means he is even more open to getting it back in the natural flow of offense and get cuts to the basket which is most definitely a strength.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1415 » by bondom34 » Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:29 am

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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1416 » by Simmons25 » Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:59 am

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Your team is infinitely more entertaining than mine right now, and I'm lucky to live in the Philly market. I can't wait to see them on the 15th.


What is the tweet about? There isn't too much to think about there to be honest.

Ben Simmons wasn't the point guard at LSU... Tim Quarterman was. Simmons was at the 4 which meant he could easily get double and tripled teamed. He could pass out... its just nobody else on the LSU squad could play. He often got the ball at PG when LSU were down 10 with 3 mins to go and by then it was often too late.

Basically he was mismanaged at LSU and played out of position. Ben Simmons knew it, Ben Simmons dad knew it, Rich Paul knew it and said it... even Brett Brown knew it. Only LSU coach Johnny Jones didn't and he is now bagging groceries for a living.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1417 » by Kolkmania » Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:24 am

Simmons25 wrote:I agree that TJ keeps the ball moving more but that is due to both strengths and inefficiencies.

TJ is a dribble continually being on the move and looking to pass first and if I really really really need to shoot it I will.
Ben is a score first and if I can't get a shot or draw attention I will kick it out to someone open.

Each is playing to their own strengths. I'll admit before the season started I was a bit concerned that Ben's style which is more ISO orientated may stop the decent ball movement... but then again it plays more to Embiid's strength which is even more ISO orientated in the post stuff. The main plan seems to be to Ben playing a 2 man game with Joel where he either posts up Joel or Joel sets screens for Ben to drive to the basket and that seems to be a directive from coaching staff. What's better for the team? I'm actually not sure yet. It is a pretty effective method the way it's going now.

I think over time Ben will probably learn that quick ball movement as soon as he gets it means he is even more open to getting it back in the natural flow of offense and get cuts to the basket which is most definitely a strength.


I don't really think that's the game plan, Brown wants ball movement in the majority of the game. I think the biggest thing is that we're lacking someone who can create off the dribble like Markelle Fultz. Neither one of Simmons, TJ, Redick, Bayless can consistently shoot if the defenders goes under in a P&R situation.

Also, the amount of practices this team had with a healthy roster is so minimal. In theory you'd rather have a far more creative system with Ben as a roller in P&R, far more weakside action, using Redick in pick and pop situations with Ben, etc. but I guess it's not fair to expect that at this point.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1418 » by Kolkmania » Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:28 am

I feel sorry for the fans for enduring that horrible 4th quarter, but this was probably a great thing for Simmons. He and the organization has to realize now that that percentage has to increase, and that starts with adjusting that HORRIBLE free throw mechanism.
I've been bitching about it for nearly a year now, but I'm sure the national media will catch up and the staff will feel some pressure.

Angle your lower body, bend your knees, align your shoulder and elbow and place the shooting hand under the ball.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1419 » by Ericb5 » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:18 am

Kolkmania wrote:I feel sorry for the fans for enduring that horrible 4th quarter, but this was probably a great thing for Simmons. He and the organization has to realize now that that percentage has to increase, and that starts with adjusting that HORRIBLE free throw mechanism.
I've been bitching about it for nearly a year now, but I'm sure the national media will catch up and the staff will feel some pressure.

Angle your lower body, bend your knees, align your shoulder and elbow and place the shooting hand under the ball.


He will have to focus heavily on it in the off season. If Andre Drummond can shoot 60%, then Simmons can surely get to 75% someday.

Ben knows that shooting is his one weakness, and he will fix it in time.



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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread 

Post#1420 » by Mrcrockpots » Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:36 am

Just blown away by Ben Simmons so far this year. He has been phenomenal. The Wizards game was incredibly important for Ben and the franchise to witness moving forward. There is no hiding it now, and I'm not saying they were. Trying to assess what Ben will look like with a 70% free throw rate and a 15 foot jump shot is truly scary for the NBA. This is the skill that will put him in all time great discussion. Great times ahead boys!

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