Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3

WeekapaugGroove · Post #1881 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:28 pm

Djedefre wrote:I hope they're doing hc interviews across the NCAA. Triano's not the answer, that's for sure.

It would be nice to find the next brad stevens. Who knows maybe that fbi/Adidas scandal snowballs and some good college coaches catch the fire and become available.

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Stix · Post #1882 » by **Stix** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:50 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
Djedefre wrote:I hope they're doing hc interviews across the NCAA. Triano's not the answer, that's for sure.

It would be nice to find the next brad stevens. Who knows maybe that fbi/Adidas scandal snowballs and some good college coaches catch the fire and become available.

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I hope you're not talking about Sean Miller, that guy is garbage, so overrated. Never been to a final four... you don't lose 3 straight to unranked teams with the amount of talent that he has. Suns would still be one of the worst teams regardless of how much talent we draft.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #1883 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:58 pm

ZER0 wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:
Djedefre wrote:I hope they're doing hc interviews across the NCAA. Triano's not the answer, that's for sure.

It would be nice to find the next brad stevens. Who knows maybe that fbi/Adidas scandal snowballs and some good college coaches catch the fire and become available.

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I hope you're not talking about Sean Miller, that guy is garbage, so overrated. Never been to a final four... you don't lose 3 straight to unranked teams with the amount of talent that he has. Suns would still be one of the worst teams regardless of how much talent we draft.

I wasn't referring to miller specifically but just saying if the FBI really goes deep in their investigation this whole thing could nail a ton of coaches because that type of **** is rampant in college hoops.

One name I do find intersting is shaka smart from Texas.

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bhawk · Post #1884 » by **bhawk** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:10 pm

ginobiliflops wrote:
Saberestar wrote:We are in a really bad position IF we stay pat.

We have options to make some moves and improve the roster, all those picks are useless if we stay pat because we are not gonna draft six or seven guys next year.

IMO this team needs an starting PG, and an starting PF ASAP.

Yes...Bender and Chriss are awful, both can play a good game from time to time but they are terrible and they do not deserve to play more than a few minutes per game. Both are getting humiliated so many times playing against starting players.

I'm seriously thinking that they can be out of the league in a couple of years, like Thomas Robinson (Chriss) or Tskitishvili (Bender). Hopefully not.

We can upgrade the C position too.

If some really good big becomes available we need to trade for him. Players like DeAndre, Drummond or Gasol are 10 times better than what we have at C, one of them at our roster would be an amazing influx of talent.

So...we need talented players at three positions. One at a time, but we need to begin NOW.

Agree 100%.

Disagree 100%. Stay the course and finish bottom 5 in the league and draft well. It's easy. Yes, it sucks that we have to wait until this summer and next year to improve, but that is the sad reality of the situation.

It looks like Chriss is going to bust. It happens. I wanted him to be the second coming of Amare as much as anyone - but he just isn't. There are better players in college right now that will be available with our draft picks this summer. Wendell Carter is better and he isn't ranked top 10 in the current 2018 draft class!

Bender may still turn out. Jackson... maybe a nice role player? Booker is awesome. Ulis is too short. Len is gone and the product of a really BAD draft class.

Speaking of draft classes... every year there is a pool of available NBA talent. Sometimes that pool of talent isn't very good or deep. Maybe there are 1, 2 or 3 individual players who can change a franchise in a given year? Sometimes there are no good players... sometimes you get lucky (Giannis and Booker)... some years the draft is really deep...

I am banking on the 2018 draft to be a very, very good class. Dare I say generational? I think we are 8-10 deep in terms of franchise players. Bagley, Ayton, Porter (hurt), Wendell Carter, Jaren Jackson, McCoy, Donic, Knox, Sexton, Bridges, Robert Williams... Mitchell Robinson will be a steal late.

Think about this... how many of these current college kids would have been drafted ahead of Fultz, Ball, Tatum and Jackson? I submit that these 4 top 2017 players would have been bottom 10 in 2018. Wow. All aboard the TANK!

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #1885 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:22 pm

This whole conversation... :roll:

RedIndian · Post #1886 » by **RedIndian** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:44 pm

How about Chriss + Dudley for Cory Joseph + Thad Young?

Think this might make sense for both teams.

Chriss gives the Pacers another young piece for their front court, and Dudley gives them some needed depth at SF along with shooting and a solid veteran presence.

Cory for us would be a solid upgrade at PG. Shoots well, has good size and can play decent defense. I can see him having a mini-breakout as a starter next to Booker.

Young gives us some solid scoring in the front court. He also helps us focus our development on Bender and Jackson. I think we're trying to develop too many young guys at the moment.

RaisingArizona · Post #1887 » by **RaisingArizona** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:05 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:This whole conversation...

I'd rather change up the gameplan than continue to suck and whiff on top 10 picks.

LukasBMW · Post #1888 » by **LukasBMW** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:18 pm

I'd take a flyer on PG13 if OKC want's a refund.

Then I'd try to either add a bargain center or bargain PG at the deadline and try to convince him to stay.

But I think it is more realistic that OKC dumps Melo then PG

Saberestar · Post #1889 » by **Saberestar** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:52 pm

Read on Twitter

Stix · Post #1890 » by **Stix** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:57 pm

Saberestar wrote:

Read on Twitter

why does McD like to kill players trade value?

WeekapaugGroove · Post #1891 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:16 pm

LukasBMW wrote:I'd take a flyer on PG13 if OKC want's a refund.

Then I'd try to either add a bargain center or bargain PG at the deadline and try to convince him to stay.

But I think it is more realistic that OKC dumps Melo then PG

The Suns have the same chance of signing Lebron as the do PG this offseason. There is literally no way he would resign here.... like none what so ever.

To the win now or people who mention playoffs... Here's the cold reality of it the suns are 8-15 meaning they would need to go 33-26 the rest of the way to even reach .500 which still probably doesn't get them in. I don't think there's any even remotely realistic additions that would get them close to that mark.

I'm not trying to be a debbie downer and hell I want to see the young guys play well and when they do I don't mind when they win even if it hurts their draft slot. I'm just saying the 2018 playoff ship has sailed.

Damkac · Post #1892 » by **Damkac** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:20 pm

ZER0 wrote:
Saberestar wrote:

Read on Twitter

why does McD like to kill players trade value?

Why you think McD wants to trade Chriss?

Post #1893 » by **lilfishi22** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:29 pm

ZER0 wrote:
Saberestar wrote:

Read on Twitter

why does McD like to kill players trade value?

Don't think McD plans on moving CHriss an ytime soon but I also think this is a good call out from McD. Chriss should be playing better than last year.

kennydorglas · Post #1894 » by **kennydorglas** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:25 pm

Makes me wonder if drafting Chriss was really his call or not.

Villalobos · Post #1895 » by **Villalobos** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:30 pm

Sarver needs to hurry up and fire this idiot. I've never seen a GM with worse people skills.

How many players has he pissed off at this point? Only good thing I can't say about him now is that at least he hasn't traded a ton of draft picks. Just one incredibly valuable one.

RaisingArizona · Post #1896 » by **RaisingArizona** » Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:43 pm

ZER0 wrote:
Saberestar wrote:

Read on Twitter

why does McD like to kill players trade value?

We all saw the same thing and commented on it this summer league.

Post #1897 » by **lilfishi22** » Fri Dec 1, 2017 12:10 am

ginobiliflops wrote:
ZER0 wrote:
Saberestar wrote:

Read on Twitter

why does McD like to kill players trade value?

We all saw the same thing and commented on it this summer league.

Also for an athlete with world class nutritionist at hand and intense physical activity 4-5 times a week, this is hardly a big deal. If he's being call out for attitude, shooting stroke or effort etc, that would be a different story

Post #1898 » by **lilfishi22** » Fri Dec 1, 2017 12:12 am

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
LukasBMW wrote:I'd take a flyer on PG13 if OKC want's a refund.

Then I'd try to either add a bargain center or bargain PG at the deadline and try to convince him to stay.

But I think it is more realistic that OKC dumps Melo then PG

The Suns have the same chance of signing Lebron as the do PG this offseason. There is literally no way he would resign here.... like none what so ever.

To the win now or people who mention playoffs... Here's the cold reality of it the suns are 8-15 meaning they would need to go 33-26 the rest of the way to even reach .500 which still probably doesn't get them in. I don't think there's any even remotely realistic additions that would get them close to that mark.

I'm not trying to be a debbie downer and hell I want to see the young guys play well and when they do I don't mind when they win even if it hurts their draft slot. I'm just saying the 2018 playoff ship has sailed.

As it stands with our current roster, it's extremely unrealistic. With an upgrade at the 1 and at the 4/5, it's a completely different conversation. Not advocating a roster overhaul but it's not crazy to think we could make playoffs with an upgrade in key positions

TOO · Post #1899 » by **TOO** » Fri Dec 1, 2017 12:13 am

He as noticeably out of shape, he looked fat. McD is being nice if anything.

bigfoot · Post #1900 » by **bigfoot** » Fri Dec 1, 2017 12:33 am

ZER0 wrote:
Saberestar wrote:

Read on Twitter

why does McD like to kill players trade value?

It was obvious in summer league. Everybody on the board was posting that Chriss looked chunky and out of shape. That carried over to the preseason as well. Other GMs had to notice it as well as us fans. Its on Chriss to stay in shape ... not McD. Of course I'm worried we have Kemp 2.0 on our team.